I’m not religious but I’m a massive Trump and Q follower. I see lots Christians on the board, any other atheists around here?
How do you view the religious factor in the Q movement?
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I do admit I do not know. One cannot 'know'. I believe the idea is faith, nothing is wrong with not knowing- in fact, if someone claimed absolute knowledge of this I would react with immediate suspicion.
then why reject the term agnostic? those who claim agnosticism generally aren't those who claim to have faith as well. those who have faith have it for a reason. you dont know how you will be provided for, but you know that you will be,'. so faith is not agnosticism, but rather knowledge. agnostics are still wondering whether they can trust the universe. agnostic faith is saying "oh well, whatever, couldn't be much worse, might as well continue" and that is not faith.
source: have identified with every end of the spectrum, from angry atheist to agnostic to angry theist.
Agnostic: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.
My issue is with nomenclature, not knowledge. It is that word implies that this is not and cannot be known- I reject that notion because 'gnosis' is the general foundation on which I build the rest of my life- that is why I cannot commit fully to the idea of purely faith. I come at this from an evidentiary standpoint and am in the process of accumulating enough evidence to make an informed decision to justify a faith (faith with eyes, not blind faith).
This does not make one without knowledge, nor does it give one a platform with which to make a judgement in full. Applying label words that don't fully sum up a persons state of mind (for me at least) is to be discouraged. Can I not reject agnosticism, atheism and anger and work on faith independently of these destructive titles?
sure! but not having enough evidence is just another way of saying you don't know yet. the jury is still out. from where you are, the state of not knowing seems limitless. but no one remains agnostic forever.
"work on faith" Faith is not something you have to practice having. You are ALWAYS placing your trust in something. The question is what you are placing your trust in. Just a thought :)
I trust just about nothing I'm afraid. Past experience.
Faith / knowledge are certainly not incompatible, but they are very different. Agnosticism, if I applied the label to myself would mean remaining there endlessly. I'm unprepared to enter a state of not knowing (although I am currently in that state I don't deem it absolute), when knowledge (gnosis) could still be gained without the use of faith (which to me currently is suspense of disbelief), which would be my preferred route. I'm inclined to think that He might not mind this stance if He created it all in the first place. To study this and find it based in fact would remove my need to trust (as this is an issue).
Thats more an ignostic definition than agnostic fren ?
Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the word "God" has no coherent and unambiguous definition.
Again, for me it is more fluid. I am trying to avoid labels, not find different ones.
I did just learn a new word though!
It's best to not be angry about it, regardless of where you end up. I've found a great deal more peace in accepting that there isn't anything pulling the strings of the universe than I ever did believing that there was someone behind it all, for good or ill.
Faith is stepping out and putting action to circumstances based upon the confidence that even though I do not have all the answers I know that someone greater than myself has my back and is guiding my steps. Faith is not having all the answers, but at the same time, being okay with that fact and still moving forward. This is the walk of faith. Those who do not experience this journey for themselves have no measure to compare it with and therefore cannot understand it. I pray you find it.