I’m not religious but I’m a massive Trump and Q follower. I see lots Christians on the board, any other atheists around here?
How do you view the religious factor in the Q movement?
I’m not religious but I’m a massive Trump and Q follower. I see lots Christians on the board, any other atheists around here?
How do you view the religious factor in the Q movement?
Unverifiable? Can Christianity be falsified- Yes! If you could find solid evidence against three beliefs:
You would have a solid case. As it is, you have the burden of proof, historically, to prove us wrong. An author (Such as Luke) is to be given the benefit of the doubt unless he was self- contradictory.
Luke claims, in both his gospel and the acts of the apostles, to be the writer. Early written church history also verifies the claim that Luke himself is indeed the writer of both accounts. Luke, more than any other of the gospel writers, should be viewed in terms as a historian because, by his own words, this is what he set out to do - to give an account of the events surrounding the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus as well as the events that followed his ministry in the lives of the apostolic believers. He was commissioned by Theophilos to write this history. The gospel of Luke is written in a more refined Greek than the other gospels or even Paul's writings. Luke was a learned man.
John was written by one of his disciples and was written much later in the first century than the synoptic gospels. It was not uncommon to dictate to a scribe that had a better command of Greek than the Apostles whose first language was Aramaic and Hebrew. Peter's account was written by his disciple Mark and was more than likely the first of the gospels. There are also several Jewish prayers in Hebrew still recited today that are attributed to Peter. They claim that Peter was tricked into becoming a Christian. Peter is recorded to have been a very well respected writer of Jewish poems and prayers in the first century Jewish community. The gospel of Matthew was written in part in Hebrew by Matthew for the Jewish believers that he was leaving behind in Jerusalem when he left. That Hebrew version later had portions added to it from Mark that became the Greek gospel of Luke.
There is much history by early church historians to give us a reasonable certainty that the gospels passed down to us are an accurate recording of the events. Any arguments given by naysayers as to the validity of these writings do not hold water upon closer examination.
The Jewish world of the apostles was one that passed down history through an oral culture. The Apostles themselves saw no need to write anything down, but passed the teachings of Jesus on by that same oral tradition. That culture was very careful to make sure that the transmission of history was accurate. They did not deviate from what was passed down to them by omission or by addition - something that is not understood well by the West. By the middle of the first century however, when Greco-Roman influence pressed into that world of oral tradition, and the body of believers expanded to all parts of the empire, the need to have the history written down became more of a necessity. This is why we have no records contemporary to the actual time of the events. But, this in no way makes what was written down only a couple of decades later less credible because the oral tradition that the information was derived from was reliable.
But like I've said in other parts of this thread. I don't really concern myself with the evidence stuff... To me, the deity of the bible isn't good nor loving and not someone I could align myself with.
Yes, and there's very good reason to believe it was later placed in those writings to lend credibility to the bible story. Look it up, it's out there...
Who you gonna believe... You better make the right choice. God doesn't allow the wrong one. Queue Jeopardy music while he heats up the oven.
This is like saying: "Outside of your eyewitnesses you have no eyewitnesses!"
Sharp logic.
Whether you think it's sharp or not is irrelevant... Your bible isn't a historical document. It's a religious text that tries to get passed down as a history book. Sure, it's been around a long time (as have many other ancient texts) but its claims about extraordinary events of the past are unable to be objectively verified.
Explain that to all the Archeologists who use it to guide their historical digs.
Me thinks you are saying/proving too much here. Because by that logic, NOTHING in the past is verifiable - including the extraordinary claims of Darwinian evolution.
By the way, the Resurrection of the Christ is entirely falsifiable. It is an event that took place within history. But you must use historical methods to disprove it, and shouldn't presuppose the non existence of a God who can act from within that history.
There is more historical/bibliographic evidence for the NT than any other document or writing from early Antiquity. Facts.
Also, it would've been VERY easy for the early Christianity movement to be squashed by the authorities (Roman and Jewish) that didn't want it around - provide the body! Go get the body of Jesus and parade it around town in front of all the crazy disciples preaching a resurrected Jesus. The Romans placed a seal on the tomb and place guards in front of it - punishable by death if anything happened to the tomb. They did this for fear that the disciples would steal the body. But they didn't/couldn't do it.
He rose from the dead and walked among us.
Oof. why does Q seem to trust God then? Why do you trust Q? Does Q operate without evidence?
We don't know who Q is. I know a lot of people that are both intelligent and religious.
Nobody's right about everything all the time.
I don't claim to know either. I do know that Q trusts God and Scripture as legitimate. In case you missed the first comment Christ follower does not equal religious. Christ came and declared religion obsolete through His sacrifice. Could you also be limiting your perspective in your own judgements about existential reality? Christ made the human relationship with God about loving The Creator and His creation as yourself. Imperfections are forgiven and the only thing expected is an open hand to relieve grace.
I recommend Soren Kierkegaard as a good starting place to help you understand my perspective. Humans have an infinite reality we must wrestle with to avoid existential angst and dread. Jesus makes that reality both easy and hard. Easy because you do nothing, Christ chose to save you. Hard because now that you are free to act how you wish, He asks you to choose love and pay forward Jesus' propitiation every day.