I have not seen corroborating evidence to support this map. Perhaps more important, the fraud was on so many levels, there was fraud that could not have been caught by any server, because it never made it into any computer.
The truth of the election will have to come from forensic audits and subsequent investigations. At best, if there was a server that was gotten in a raid in Germany (or Italy, or wherever) it will only be one piece of the puzzle that is the greatest act of election fraud in history.
We've had that data for a while, months. Not saying it isn't great to see it presented again, but I distinctly remember finding the pdf when Mike first started talking about it.
Where would you get corroborating evidence? Have you seen any corroborating evidence that HCQ and Zinc cures Covid? What about corroborating evidence that Hillary and Bill are responsible for the almost 100 random and horrific deaths of people around them or people about to testify against them?
You won't see this in the mainstream news until they can't hide it anymore!
What about corroborating evidence that Hillary and Bill are responsible for the almost 100 random and horrific deaths of people around them or people about to testify against them?
Yes. I have seen substantial amounts of evidence that corroborates these stories as well. I don't have links to such information off the top of my head, but if I really cared I could find them. I suggest if you want to find any just do a search. There is a ton of good info.
What there is not good info or evidence for is the "german server raid." There is one person making a claim on a podcast. That's it. That is insufficient by any standard.
I would say the information that is out about alternative treatments to covid and the Clinton death count is as definitive as the information out about the servers. This is no longer a free speech or free information country. This is a banana republic too. You can find the information about the Germany raid if you dig deep enough. My point was that corroborating evidence doesn't even matter anymore, because no media outlet is honest or trustworthy even if that kind of information was allowed to be released during an ongoing war which we are in right now, but you won't see that on the news. We are all "conspiracy theorists" trying to make sense of pieces of data, stringing them together to formulate the best answer with the information we have.
If you really want to get an idea of the data about the electoral college votes yourself, look at the data right before all of the states shut down their tallying instead of the next morning when all of the states flipped. Then look at California and realize that state has been giving all of their votes to the blue side for so many years they just start the counting and then say the democrat won, they don't even try to count the votes. Then look at the data concerning all of the counties Trump won compared to any other president, the demographics he won compared to any other president, the map showing which areas voted blue and which voted red (which is staggering in and of itself), and also the massive following he has even in those supposedly blue states...
From there, you can do some funny math, and your totals should show you that he obviously won 410 electoral college votes at minimum... in all honesty, if it was a fair vote with only legal votes counted and every single one of them confirmed, I would say Biden didn't get any electoral college votes.
I would say the information that is out about alternative treatments to covid
I understand you may not appreciate it, but as a scientist in the field, I can say with certainty that not a single person, scientist or otherwise can discount the evidence I just provided for you.
That is what I call corroborating evidence. It doesn't have to be evidence everyone knows about. It just has to be evidence that a person can find if they look.
I have looked into evidence for the servers and have found none. It isn't that it is being hidden by the media, its that as far as I can tell, it doesn't exist.
You can find the information about the Germany raid if you dig deep enough
I've looked. I haven't found.
Show me just one thing. Point me in the direction of anything substantive.
What I have shown about ivermectin and HCQ is absolute proof of their efficacy and safety by any standard. Unless you can show me the same level of evidence for the servers even existing, much less their contents then it is not in the same category at all.
My point was that corroborating evidence doesn't even matter anymore
100% incorrect. It matters a great deal. I get information to other people all the time. Does it get to everyone? No. Does everyone who I get it to believe it? No. But if the evidence doesn't exist, then I can't even do that much. Corroborating evidence matters a great deal. In investigating the unknown and hidden which is our entire job, there is nothing more important.
If you really want to get an idea of the data about the electoral college votes yourself
I spent almost an entire month doing data analysis on hundreds, maybe thousands of data sets. I am well aware of what went on, or at least what the data says went on.
your totals should show you that he obviously won 410 electoral college votes at minimum
"at a minimum"
That's my point. This server data is almost certainly not accurate, even if true (which is HIGHLY questionable without corroborating evidence). Even you are saying it with this quote.
I am WELL AWARE that the election was stolen. I have proven it mathematically ten ways from Sunday after several hundred hours of work. And I agree with many of the other things you have said.
I am not in any way disputing election fraud, I am saying that corroborating evidence is required to put forth this story with any credibility.
To the best of my knowledge the contents of the server was a statement, by one person, on one podcast, one time. No serious investigator would suggest that is evidence of anything, except maybe a place to look deeper. Looking deeper I find nothing.
I agree with all that you said! And I like the way you laid it out! I normally do not get well thought out responses, I should have looked at your comment history first before making such a quick response.
"At about the same time on November 16th we heard from Rep. Louie Gohmert that people on the ground in Germany report that Scytl, which hosted elections data improperly through Spain, was raided by a large US ARMY force and their servers were seized in Frankfurt."
^ This, if this were the data off of some raid like proposed, the REAL data would likely be even more in Trump's favor because of non-digital fraud.
Also, people suggesting the forensic audits will get the true results are missing/forgetting that many many Trump votes were disposed of. Shredded, "lost in the mail", etc.; we'll NEVER get those all back, or probably even most of them. So while we may toss the bunk Biden ones, or swap the ones counted for Biden that are actually Trump votes, we'll never know the real results.
I saw it on OAN a long time ago too (I don't remember if it was Nov 4, but I'll take your word for it). There is ZERO EVIDENCE (that I have seen) that connects this picture with the Frankfurt servers.
As a completely separate issue, there is very little evidence that the Frankfurt servers are anything more than a LARP. The couple people that have talked about it have some credibility, so I'll give it a maybe, but its essential to remember this is a disinformation war. That is the battlefield. Even those who are almost certainly on our side are not credible sources of information all the time. That is why we were trained to do research. No ones word is law. All words are LARP until proven otherwise.
If it can't be corroborated, there is no reason to put it out there as truth, or to try to support it past the support the evidence gives it. Evidence (actual evidence) is the only support for anything.
For this picture, there is literally zero evidence of a connection to anything except LARP.
P.S. Oh, and if it was on Nov 4 then maybe it had NOTHING to do with the Frankfurt servers since weren't they supposedly raided on like the 15th or something?
Why would you think OAN is not deepstate controlled? I am mind boggled that anyone would think that. Not saying it is, but to trust any media company (or anyone at all) is ludicrous at this point.
Regardless of that, I went and looked it up.
It attributed the linking of the map with the Scytl data to a tweet from Manga Anantatmula, an also ran for Virginia's 11th District House seat. The fact that it's still up on twitter doesn't really give any indication of its veracity, but it is an interesting note. I can't find any good link as to where the picture might have come from other than this source (i.e. where she might have gotten it).
Looking her up her LinkedIn says she works for DHS. Doing a search for her name at DHS does bring up results, but neither of the results actually has her name or an obvious link to find her anywhere, so the trail ends there.
I'll give her having access to this information a maybe. I'll give her being the original source for this picture a maybe. I'll give her tweeting out real information of this magnitude in the middle of a disinformation war a low probability, but not zero. So I grant there is some possible link between that map and the Scytl servers. Its weak, but its not zero.
Thank you.
I still think the map is wrong, even if its from Scytl. There were too many different levels of fraud. Many would not have been captured by any computer. Also alterations at the local level may not have been captured in sent data. For example, if some particular machine was set up for 1.2 votes per ballot for Biden and 0.8 votes per ballot for Trump, that is not data that needs to be sent (doesn't mean it wasn't, but it might not have been).
RECALL LAST NOVEMBER AND THE TRUE ELECTORAL VOTES! SEE THE MAP! A nice compilation in this article as proof. In the next couple of weeks we will see this as the true presidential election numbers. It's HOLE THE LINE time patriots!
Why are they trying so hard to shut down the AZ audit? That's all the proof I need for verification of election fraud. This is how they've done it for years and years, but not at this level. Their very existence depends on power and control and WE, The People are striping that away.
LOL if a position opens up as timeline czar to dictate whether historical data can be posted here or not, you can apply then. Until that time, the canned outrage over this isn't needed.
I saw this on Nov. 4, printed it out, and put it up it on my wall 10 inches from my computer, where it hangs to this day. But are all you people who are wetting the bed about this really unable to fathom...that in the past 7 fucking months, almost daily, this site might have gained a few new eyeballs that have never seen this electoral college map showing 410 for Trump? What if you were to lighten up and let them enjoy it? What are you afraid might happen?
Rhetorical questions. Don't waste your time or mine answering. Just lighten up.
Yeah, whatever. It was never proven to be correct. Maybe Sydney Powell has been doing all sorts of good things in the shadows, but she has not had one single success in the last 7 months that we know of. This electoral college map is one such dud that went nowhere... until you just necro'ed it. Congrats.
This is from 7 months ago.
Still true.
I have not seen corroborating evidence to support this map. Perhaps more important, the fraud was on so many levels, there was fraud that could not have been caught by any server, because it never made it into any computer.
The truth of the election will have to come from forensic audits and subsequent investigations. At best, if there was a server that was gotten in a raid in Germany (or Italy, or wherever) it will only be one piece of the puzzle that is the greatest act of election fraud in history.
Check out lindells 9-0
We've had that data for a while, months. Not saying it isn't great to see it presented again, but I distinctly remember finding the pdf when Mike first started talking about it.
This needs to be put before a live court.
Where would you get corroborating evidence? Have you seen any corroborating evidence that HCQ and Zinc cures Covid? What about corroborating evidence that Hillary and Bill are responsible for the almost 100 random and horrific deaths of people around them or people about to testify against them?
You won't see this in the mainstream news until they can't hide it anymore!
Any evidence other than a statement from Sidney Powell on a random podcast would be great.
Yes. There is an entire mountain of evidence for these.
Yes. I have seen substantial amounts of evidence that corroborates these stories as well. I don't have links to such information off the top of my head, but if I really cared I could find them. I suggest if you want to find any just do a search. There is a ton of good info.
What there is not good info or evidence for is the "german server raid." There is one person making a claim on a podcast. That's it. That is insufficient by any standard.
I would say the information that is out about alternative treatments to covid and the Clinton death count is as definitive as the information out about the servers. This is no longer a free speech or free information country. This is a banana republic too. You can find the information about the Germany raid if you dig deep enough. My point was that corroborating evidence doesn't even matter anymore, because no media outlet is honest or trustworthy even if that kind of information was allowed to be released during an ongoing war which we are in right now, but you won't see that on the news. We are all "conspiracy theorists" trying to make sense of pieces of data, stringing them together to formulate the best answer with the information we have.
If you really want to get an idea of the data about the electoral college votes yourself, look at the data right before all of the states shut down their tallying instead of the next morning when all of the states flipped. Then look at California and realize that state has been giving all of their votes to the blue side for so many years they just start the counting and then say the democrat won, they don't even try to count the votes. Then look at the data concerning all of the counties Trump won compared to any other president, the demographics he won compared to any other president, the map showing which areas voted blue and which voted red (which is staggering in and of itself), and also the massive following he has even in those supposedly blue states...
From there, you can do some funny math, and your totals should show you that he obviously won 410 electoral college votes at minimum... in all honesty, if it was a fair vote with only legal votes counted and every single one of them confirmed, I would say Biden didn't get any electoral college votes.
I understand you may not appreciate it, but as a scientist in the field, I can say with certainty that not a single person, scientist or otherwise can discount the evidence I just provided for you.
That is what I call corroborating evidence. It doesn't have to be evidence everyone knows about. It just has to be evidence that a person can find if they look.
I have looked into evidence for the servers and have found none. It isn't that it is being hidden by the media, its that as far as I can tell, it doesn't exist.
I've looked. I haven't found.
Show me just one thing. Point me in the direction of anything substantive.
What I have shown about ivermectin and HCQ is absolute proof of their efficacy and safety by any standard. Unless you can show me the same level of evidence for the servers even existing, much less their contents then it is not in the same category at all.
100% incorrect. It matters a great deal. I get information to other people all the time. Does it get to everyone? No. Does everyone who I get it to believe it? No. But if the evidence doesn't exist, then I can't even do that much. Corroborating evidence matters a great deal. In investigating the unknown and hidden which is our entire job, there is nothing more important.
I spent almost an entire month doing data analysis on hundreds, maybe thousands of data sets. I am well aware of what went on, or at least what the data says went on.
"at a minimum"
That's my point. This server data is almost certainly not accurate, even if true (which is HIGHLY questionable without corroborating evidence). Even you are saying it with this quote.
I am WELL AWARE that the election was stolen. I have proven it mathematically ten ways from Sunday after several hundred hours of work. And I agree with many of the other things you have said.
I am not in any way disputing election fraud, I am saying that corroborating evidence is required to put forth this story with any credibility.
To the best of my knowledge the contents of the server was a statement, by one person, on one podcast, one time. No serious investigator would suggest that is evidence of anything, except maybe a place to look deeper. Looking deeper I find nothing.
I agree with all that you said! And I like the way you laid it out! I normally do not get well thought out responses, I should have looked at your comment history first before making such a quick response.
But here is one page from the gateway pundit that talks about it, and Sydney only furthered the communication about it, she wasn't the only or the first one to speak of it: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/going-server-reportedly-obtained-germany-related-2020-election/
"At about the same time on November 16th we heard from Rep. Louie Gohmert that people on the ground in Germany report that Scytl, which hosted elections data improperly through Spain, was raided by a large US ARMY force and their servers were seized in Frankfurt."
also check out Mike Lindell's "Absolute 9-0" on https://home.frankspeech.com/
^ This, if this were the data off of some raid like proposed, the REAL data would likely be even more in Trump's favor because of non-digital fraud.
Also, people suggesting the forensic audits will get the true results are missing/forgetting that many many Trump votes were disposed of. Shredded, "lost in the mail", etc.; we'll NEVER get those all back, or probably even most of them. So while we may toss the bunk Biden ones, or swap the ones counted for Biden that are actually Trump votes, we'll never know the real results.
Damn right!
Yeah, but it's relevant now...
No less true today. I still have this exact screen shot from OAN on Nov. 4 showing 410 for Trump, losing only IL, VT, CT, MA, NJ, MD, WA, OR.
He won CA and NY
I saw it on OAN a long time ago too (I don't remember if it was Nov 4, but I'll take your word for it). There is ZERO EVIDENCE (that I have seen) that connects this picture with the Frankfurt servers.
As a completely separate issue, there is very little evidence that the Frankfurt servers are anything more than a LARP. The couple people that have talked about it have some credibility, so I'll give it a maybe, but its essential to remember this is a disinformation war. That is the battlefield. Even those who are almost certainly on our side are not credible sources of information all the time. That is why we were trained to do research. No ones word is law. All words are LARP until proven otherwise.
If it can't be corroborated, there is no reason to put it out there as truth, or to try to support it past the support the evidence gives it. Evidence (actual evidence) is the only support for anything.
For this picture, there is literally zero evidence of a connection to anything except LARP.
P.S. Oh, and if it was on Nov 4 then maybe it had NOTHING to do with the Frankfurt servers since weren't they supposedly raided on like the 15th or something?
Hmm...
Date could be off, but it was November, thanks for correction
OAN---REPORTS: SEIZED SCYTL DATA SHOWS LANDSLIDE WIN FOR PRES. TRUMP
You say no. The single major news agency that is not deepstate controlled says yes. We'll just call it even.
Why would you think OAN is not deepstate controlled? I am mind boggled that anyone would think that. Not saying it is, but to trust any media company (or anyone at all) is ludicrous at this point.
Regardless of that, I went and looked it up.
It attributed the linking of the map with the Scytl data to a tweet from Manga Anantatmula, an also ran for Virginia's 11th District House seat. The fact that it's still up on twitter doesn't really give any indication of its veracity, but it is an interesting note. I can't find any good link as to where the picture might have come from other than this source (i.e. where she might have gotten it).
Looking her up her LinkedIn says she works for DHS. Doing a search for her name at DHS does bring up results, but neither of the results actually has her name or an obvious link to find her anywhere, so the trail ends there.
I'll give her having access to this information a maybe. I'll give her being the original source for this picture a maybe. I'll give her tweeting out real information of this magnitude in the middle of a disinformation war a low probability, but not zero. So I grant there is some possible link between that map and the Scytl servers. Its weak, but its not zero.
Thank you.
I still think the map is wrong, even if its from Scytl. There were too many different levels of fraud. Many would not have been captured by any computer. Also alterations at the local level may not have been captured in sent data. For example, if some particular machine was set up for 1.2 votes per ballot for Biden and 0.8 votes per ballot for Trump, that is not data that needs to be sent (doesn't mean it wasn't, but it might not have been).
Trump was leading in Rhode Island of all places all night, even after Providence reported.
Then suddenly Biden won, oh well.
YES!! u/COVFEFE
deport and move on
RECALL LAST NOVEMBER AND THE TRUE ELECTORAL VOTES! SEE THE MAP! A nice compilation in this article as proof. In the next couple of weeks we will see this as the true presidential election numbers. It's HOLE THE LINE time patriots!
https://welovetrump.com/2020/11/17/rumors-fly-that-server-seized-in-raid-shows-trump-actually-got-410-electoral-votes-media-panics/
Why do you say that? once again 7 months old?
Why are they trying so hard to shut down the AZ audit? That's all the proof I need for verification of election fraud. This is how they've done it for years and years, but not at this level. Their very existence depends on power and control and WE, The People are striping that away.
Excellent Isvogel!
Why are you posting shit from 7 months ago? I have heard of people being "a little slow", but this is ridiculous...
Getting ahead of the truth boom narrative! Future proves past!
LOL if a position opens up as timeline czar to dictate whether historical data can be posted here or not, you can apply then. Until that time, the canned outrage over this isn't needed.
I saw this on Nov. 4, printed it out, and put it up it on my wall 10 inches from my computer, where it hangs to this day. But are all you people who are wetting the bed about this really unable to fathom...that in the past 7 fucking months, almost daily, this site might have gained a few new eyeballs that have never seen this electoral college map showing 410 for Trump? What if you were to lighten up and let them enjoy it? What are you afraid might happen?
Rhetorical questions. Don't waste your time or mine answering. Just lighten up.
Yeah, whatever. It was never proven to be correct. Maybe Sydney Powell has been doing all sorts of good things in the shadows, but she has not had one single success in the last 7 months that we know of. This electoral college map is one such dud that went nowhere... until you just necro'ed it. Congrats.
Imagine if they got those servers sooner. Bet all the remaining blue states were actually red
Check out "Here is the evidence" at https://hereistheevidence.com/
7 months ago. << Yawn >>
And the democrats have the nerve to say that the 2020 election was the most secure presidential election.
What a JOKE