People who claim this actually know better and want to propagate the lies, beware of them. They obviously don't understand the discernment that comes from our Creator.
If anyone wants to actually spend an hour and understand why "flat earthers" believe the way they do, then please watch this. Then you can either come back and "debunk" away or be set on your own journey of discovery. ANYONE who simply calls other believers clowns and such, without doing an ounce of actual research, is part of the problem. You are no different than the NPC's that get memed non stop, just living in your world and unwilling to be respectful of other peoples beliefs or to dig deeper and find out why they believe the way they do. There is a great divide of "TRUTH" in this world. One side says you either take their word for it or you are retarded, anti-science, or some sort of a denier...the other says "here's what we believe and why, now please do your own research with an OPEN MIND and decide for yourselves." It's funny how those who call out mental gymnastics of NPC's have no problem with their own mental gymnastics when a truth may potentially invade their little safe spaces. This short one hour movie will answer most of your questions and give you the general gist. BTW..the creator of this film is not religious in any way, so it's not even going into what our Bible teaches us. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
It's not being deceived to consider how God made the world. It is being deceived to adhere to fiction that not only can you not prove, but you cannot find biblical backing for. I look to debunk nothing. I could care less if your error goes un checked. However, your own lack of confidence in what you believe is clearly revealed in your judgmental remarks.
I chose my words exactly as I intended them. The Nicene convention (NC) was the final editor of the Bible most people ascribe as "complete". Was it based on previous works? Almost certainly. There is no dispute of that coming from me. But based on previous works and "final edit" means changes were made, or decided upon, or whatever.
The bible describes itself as "complete".
“For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book” (Revelation 22:18-19)
Who ordered that? Who decided that little sentence? Was it in fact the apostle John as many wish to believe (but for which there is much debate)? Did he maybe write it slightly different, but a few word changes made it into a closed circle that would forestall any future questions of the Christian Religion created at the NC? How could such a sentence make sense Prior to when the conventioneers decided on which books to include and which to leave out?
How do you know there weren't many other previous revisions or edits to create the Religion between the time of the original author and the NC? I mean, that is exactly what the NC did: formalize the tenets of the Religion, creating a formal work of dogma which was thereafter used as a means of social control of several continents for almost two millennia.
The bible as known today was a work of dogma created at the convention. A change of phrase here, a word there, can make all the difference in the world. It doesn't take much to completely alter meaning.
It's also very important to realize (which most do, but don't fully grasp) that the entire concept of "the law" part of the bible (Torah) is in large part the Jewish bible. Within it are stories of things like God demanding, or desiring first born son blood sacrifices, etc..
"Oh, but that's just the way the world was then." Really? So God wanted first born son sacrifices just like Molloch?
Look at the original Passover event. The Torah (old Testament) version of the "Creator God" apparently wanted all first born Egyptian sons to die so badly, he sent his angels to kill them all. "Oh, but that was only a last resort because they wouldn't let 'God's chosen people' go" (think about who those people were, one chosen race above all humanity in the entire world). Please note that murder by angel directive is not the same thing as "allowing bad things to happen". This is a direct act of murder by thug. So God wouldn't have killed them all (because presumably such a direct action of murder is bad) if they had only let the people go. God had to choose the lesser of two evils...
What kind of Creator God has to choose the lesser of two evils? Does that make ANY SENSE AT ALL?
Of course, the bible also says "if you run into logic that doesn't allow this book to make sense, take it on faith that the book is right and the logic is wrong".
Where else have we seen such statements?
In no way do I mean to demean the teachings of Christ. I am pointing out possible Luciferian influences in the Bible that creates the Dogma of the Religion. I am not in any way talking about Christ, nor his teachings.
Everyone who thinks the Bible somehow escaped Luciferian influence because the Bible says so when that book was written (final edit) by a self stated worshiper of the Sun God (aka Lucifer in some cultures) is deluding themselves, because that is what that same book told them to do.
Perhaps there is debate there, and indeed exactly that debate has happened countless times, but it does in fact say or imply that it is a "completed" work in several places. You have just pointed out how insane it is that billions of people believe they know the truth of the Bible, and yet none of them agree on any of it.
Please note again, I am not talking about the teachings of Jesus. The teachings of Jesus is not the Bible, but a small subsection of it. They may also be found in other books not included in the Nicene Convention final edit of the Bible.
My finger is always on the trigger homie. I’ve been walking around like that dude from falling down wandering aimlessly about looking for a salesman with a bag a dicks, So I can slap him around a little bit to piss him off.
His accounting of the history is accurate. Josephus the historian is worth a read for the secular history if .anybsoiritualnevents he witness. Not biblical but eyewitnesses at that time so significant.
I think you are correct that many private interpretations have crept into the explanations of Gods Word. Of which God says "no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
The Greek word for private is the word idios. Translates to "one's own" as in one's own interpretation. Also, the word idios is the basis for a word we throw sroumd here alot misusing it.
Anyway, the Bible has to interpret itself. In the word, in the verse in the chapter, in the Bible. Thknk first usages... same as a human author.
WORD CHOICE... You might want to replace written with assembled. The Bible is an anthology, not a novel.
Praise the lord 🙌
People who claim this actually know better and want to propagate the lies, beware of them. They obviously don't understand the discernment that comes from our Creator. If anyone wants to actually spend an hour and understand why "flat earthers" believe the way they do, then please watch this. Then you can either come back and "debunk" away or be set on your own journey of discovery. ANYONE who simply calls other believers clowns and such, without doing an ounce of actual research, is part of the problem. You are no different than the NPC's that get memed non stop, just living in your world and unwilling to be respectful of other peoples beliefs or to dig deeper and find out why they believe the way they do. There is a great divide of "TRUTH" in this world. One side says you either take their word for it or you are retarded, anti-science, or some sort of a denier...the other says "here's what we believe and why, now please do your own research with an OPEN MIND and decide for yourselves." It's funny how those who call out mental gymnastics of NPC's have no problem with their own mental gymnastics when a truth may potentially invade their little safe spaces. This short one hour movie will answer most of your questions and give you the general gist. BTW..the creator of this film is not religious in any way, so it's not even going into what our Bible teaches us. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
It's not being deceived to consider how God made the world. It is being deceived to adhere to fiction that not only can you not prove, but you cannot find biblical backing for. I look to debunk nothing. I could care less if your error goes un checked. However, your own lack of confidence in what you believe is clearly revealed in your judgmental remarks.
This is the way.
I chose my words exactly as I intended them. The Nicene convention (NC) was the final editor of the Bible most people ascribe as "complete". Was it based on previous works? Almost certainly. There is no dispute of that coming from me. But based on previous works and "final edit" means changes were made, or decided upon, or whatever.
The bible describes itself as "complete".
Who ordered that? Who decided that little sentence? Was it in fact the apostle John as many wish to believe (but for which there is much debate)? Did he maybe write it slightly different, but a few word changes made it into a closed circle that would forestall any future questions of the Christian Religion created at the NC? How could such a sentence make sense Prior to when the conventioneers decided on which books to include and which to leave out?
How do you know there weren't many other previous revisions or edits to create the Religion between the time of the original author and the NC? I mean, that is exactly what the NC did: formalize the tenets of the Religion, creating a formal work of dogma which was thereafter used as a means of social control of several continents for almost two millennia.
The bible as known today was a work of dogma created at the convention. A change of phrase here, a word there, can make all the difference in the world. It doesn't take much to completely alter meaning.
It's also very important to realize (which most do, but don't fully grasp) that the entire concept of "the law" part of the bible (Torah) is in large part the Jewish bible. Within it are stories of things like God demanding, or desiring first born son blood sacrifices, etc..
"Oh, but that's just the way the world was then." Really? So God wanted first born son sacrifices just like Molloch?
Look at the original Passover event. The Torah (old Testament) version of the "Creator God" apparently wanted all first born Egyptian sons to die so badly, he sent his angels to kill them all. "Oh, but that was only a last resort because they wouldn't let 'God's chosen people' go" (think about who those people were, one chosen race above all humanity in the entire world). Please note that murder by angel directive is not the same thing as "allowing bad things to happen". This is a direct act of murder by thug. So God wouldn't have killed them all (because presumably such a direct action of murder is bad) if they had only let the people go. God had to choose the lesser of two evils...
What kind of Creator God has to choose the lesser of two evils? Does that make ANY SENSE AT ALL?
Of course, the bible also says "if you run into logic that doesn't allow this book to make sense, take it on faith that the book is right and the logic is wrong".
Where else have we seen such statements?
In no way do I mean to demean the teachings of Christ. I am pointing out possible Luciferian influences in the Bible that creates the Dogma of the Religion. I am not in any way talking about Christ, nor his teachings.
Everyone who thinks the Bible somehow escaped Luciferian influence because the Bible says so when that book was written (final edit) by a self stated worshiper of the Sun God (aka Lucifer in some cultures) is deluding themselves, because that is what that same book told them to do.
The bible does not call itself complete; the book of revelation calls itself complete. There was no bible when John wrote the letter.
Perhaps there is debate there, and indeed exactly that debate has happened countless times, but it does in fact say or imply that it is a "completed" work in several places. You have just pointed out how insane it is that billions of people believe they know the truth of the Bible, and yet none of them agree on any of it.
Please note again, I am not talking about the teachings of Jesus. The teachings of Jesus is not the Bible, but a small subsection of it. They may also be found in other books not included in the Nicene Convention final edit of the Bible.
Correct. Either one interpretation is solely correct, or they are all wrong to varying degrees.
You moron. Quit trying to sound smart. Your about as knowledgeable as a hamster on a wheel spinning in circles.
lol somebody sounds triggered.
My finger is always on the trigger homie. I’ve been walking around like that dude from falling down wandering aimlessly about looking for a salesman with a bag a dicks, So I can slap him around a little bit to piss him off.
His accounting of the history is accurate. Josephus the historian is worth a read for the secular history if .anybsoiritualnevents he witness. Not biblical but eyewitnesses at that time so significant.
Sorry replace the word knowledgeable in that statement with useful. intellectual circles to dance around and seem important
Thanks for this. I need to digest this. I have studied the Bible a fair bit, but
I think you are correct that many private interpretations have crept into the explanations of Gods Word. Of which God says "no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
The Greek word for private is the word idios. Translates to "one's own" as in one's own interpretation. Also, the word idios is the basis for a word we throw sroumd here alot misusing it.
Anyway, the Bible has to interpret itself. In the word, in the verse in the chapter, in the Bible. Thknk first usages... same as a human author.