The Vatican fought for centuries to keep the Bible under the control of the corrupt clergy and prevent it from being distributed to the masses to preserve the Catholic church's system of control over the population. All the early bible translators were hunted down and killed as "heretics" for translating and distributing hand copied Bibles in the languages spoken by the people. The Vatican outlawed and systematically destroyed these Bibles. Because of the incredible time and cost required to make just one copy by hand, the Vatican was able to slow and mostly prevent the rogue distribution efforts for several centuries . The situation completely changed after the Gutenberg printing press was invented in 1439. The resulting volume and cheap distribution of bibles made their destruction impossible, so the Vatican had to shift tactics. The Jesuits were commisioned to discredit these "heretical" translations through an aggressive international scheme to propogate the heliocentric model of the earth/universe, therby casting shade on the Bibles that people now read for themselves (Bibles that support a geocentric model of the universe). The Vatican claimed only its trained Catholic clergy were capable of correctly interpreting the scripture. The Jesuit message was that "science" clearly supported a heliocentric model of the universe therby discrediting the "heretical" translations and their geocentric (flat earth) cosmology. The Jesuits used this argument to affirm their claim that only the Catholic trained clergy were capable of properly understanding God's word and should continue to be regarded as spiritual authorities. If you do the research, you'll see that the Vatican = Free Masons. Heliocentrism is the psyop.
how the flippin floppitty fluesy do you jump from a geocentric viewpoint to a flat earth. Please verify in scripture where it describes a geocentric view as well. I know in job it talks of a circumference but please do verify with precise evidence to back up your statement
Plates are round but NOT spheres. After all the lies we have uncovered, I feel the Bible may be our most accurate history. Lie to me once, shame on you, lie to me twice (and me believe you) shame on me.
I still have not heard the explanation of how you can travel across the Pacific to Asia travel through Asia to Eurasia pop out into Europe then travel across the Atlantic and end back up in America. Do you go through some magical warp like pac man. How have we ended up where critical thinking and basic observation are lost, or have they just not left their computer screens and ventured into the world to travel, observe and experience the world as it is.
2 Timothy 3:7
Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth.
Was David a philosopher? Could he have used the term World to describe an all encompassing view of all surrounding nature and be describing the natural laws set in place solid and immovable.
Would your view of the sun if you’ve never travelled to far off continents and never had instantaneous connection with them be that the sun hasten to come back to you? Do you not understand that the Creator and God of this universe is outside of both time and space and can stop the sun if he so pleases?
You're right about the Vatican covering up most of the bible but that's not what they were covering up. It was the fact that god from the bible isn't the supreme creator of the universe, going through Hebrew texts el is different from yahweh. El is the creator of yahweh, and look at the gospel of judas iscariot. It says the same thing. Jesus is the son of the creator of yahweh and satan is equal to yahweh as both are great serpents who are leaders of the seraphim which means fiery serpents. Yahweh and satan are the 7th that rule the 6 in their orders of dark and light. There is a dragon that rules different parts of the world and quetzalcoatl is one. The secret is the pagans were worshipping dragons which is why they demanded blood sacrifice.
The bible is not god's word. It is man's account of what happened. I trust Jesus in the new testament, and know that there are inaccuracies and some strait up lies motivated by hubris in a lot of the other parts. The bible never said this is a book of science, because it's not. Jesus hated men who thought they were holy. Somolan who wrote psalms ended up going against God. The words of Jesus are the only words I take for granted, and guess what, he spoke in proverbs, for those with ears to hear, aka NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY.
It's hard for sense knowledged based people tonsee that. But from where I stand it's obvious. The Word of God is the Will of God! I dont break myself on it anymore.
Do you mean the same biblical account that was written by the Nicene convention 300 years after the death of Christ led by a self-acclaimed worshiper of the Sun God?
People who claim this actually know better and want to propagate the lies, beware of them. They obviously don't understand the discernment that comes from our Creator.
If anyone wants to actually spend an hour and understand why "flat earthers" believe the way they do, then please watch this. Then you can either come back and "debunk" away or be set on your own journey of discovery. ANYONE who simply calls other believers clowns and such, without doing an ounce of actual research, is part of the problem. You are no different than the NPC's that get memed non stop, just living in your world and unwilling to be respectful of other peoples beliefs or to dig deeper and find out why they believe the way they do. There is a great divide of "TRUTH" in this world. One side says you either take their word for it or you are retarded, anti-science, or some sort of a denier...the other says "here's what we believe and why, now please do your own research with an OPEN MIND and decide for yourselves." It's funny how those who call out mental gymnastics of NPC's have no problem with their own mental gymnastics when a truth may potentially invade their little safe spaces. This short one hour movie will answer most of your questions and give you the general gist. BTW..the creator of this film is not religious in any way, so it's not even going into what our Bible teaches us. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
It's not being deceived to consider how God made the world. It is being deceived to adhere to fiction that not only can you not prove, but you cannot find biblical backing for. I look to debunk nothing. I could care less if your error goes un checked. However, your own lack of confidence in what you believe is clearly revealed in your judgmental remarks.
I chose my words exactly as I intended them. The Nicene convention (NC) was the final editor of the Bible most people ascribe as "complete". Was it based on previous works? Almost certainly. There is no dispute of that coming from me. But based on previous works and "final edit" means changes were made, or decided upon, or whatever.
The bible describes itself as "complete".
“For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book” (Revelation 22:18-19)
Who ordered that? Who decided that little sentence? Was it in fact the apostle John as many wish to believe (but for which there is much debate)? Did he maybe write it slightly different, but a few word changes made it into a closed circle that would forestall any future questions of the Christian Religion created at the NC? How could such a sentence make sense Prior to when the conventioneers decided on which books to include and which to leave out?
How do you know there weren't many other previous revisions or edits to create the Religion between the time of the original author and the NC? I mean, that is exactly what the NC did: formalize the tenets of the Religion, creating a formal work of dogma which was thereafter used as a means of social control of several continents for almost two millennia.
The bible as known today was a work of dogma created at the convention. A change of phrase here, a word there, can make all the difference in the world. It doesn't take much to completely alter meaning.
It's also very important to realize (which most do, but don't fully grasp) that the entire concept of "the law" part of the bible (Torah) is in large part the Jewish bible. Within it are stories of things like God demanding, or desiring first born son blood sacrifices, etc..
"Oh, but that's just the way the world was then." Really? So God wanted first born son sacrifices just like Molloch?
Look at the original Passover event. The Torah (old Testament) version of the "Creator God" apparently wanted all first born Egyptian sons to die so badly, he sent his angels to kill them all. "Oh, but that was only a last resort because they wouldn't let 'God's chosen people' go" (think about who those people were, one chosen race above all humanity in the entire world). Please note that murder by angel directive is not the same thing as "allowing bad things to happen". This is a direct act of murder by thug. So God wouldn't have killed them all (because presumably such a direct action of murder is bad) if they had only let the people go. God had to choose the lesser of two evils...
What kind of Creator God has to choose the lesser of two evils? Does that make ANY SENSE AT ALL?
Of course, the bible also says "if you run into logic that doesn't allow this book to make sense, take it on faith that the book is right and the logic is wrong".
Where else have we seen such statements?
In no way do I mean to demean the teachings of Christ. I am pointing out possible Luciferian influences in the Bible that creates the Dogma of the Religion. I am not in any way talking about Christ, nor his teachings.
Everyone who thinks the Bible somehow escaped Luciferian influence because the Bible says so when that book was written (final edit) by a self stated worshiper of the Sun God (aka Lucifer in some cultures) is deluding themselves, because that is what that same book told them to do.
I think you are correct that many private interpretations have crept into the explanations of Gods Word. Of which God says "no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
The Greek word for private is the word idios. Translates to "one's own" as in one's own interpretation. Also, the word idios is the basis for a word we throw sroumd here alot misusing it.
Anyway, the Bible has to interpret itself. In the word, in the verse in the chapter, in the Bible. Thknk first usages... same as a human author.
The Dead Sea scrolls verify the accuracy of the biblical text that is still preserved to this day. That means that the text I hold in my hand is accurate therefore your claims of alteration are null and void. Now there has been slight differences through the translation into other languages but with further study into the original words used you can gain the original contest and depth of meaning.
I’ll give it to you, you could probably make a pretty good living as a used car salesman. I mean I wouldn’t buy one from you but there’s plenty of gullible people out there.Im sure that’s what your boss says.
Let me ask you a question. Have you heard of the red river meeting house revival? Have you heard of the Azusa street revival? Have you studied the moves of the spirit through the ages? So your saying they all had it wrong and the Bible that the Holy Spirit used and baptized throngs of people throughout the ages was wrong? Do you know how many times the gospel and New Testament scrolls were duplicated and from every corner where it reached it was accurately transcribed and we can verify the accuracy of those transcripts through a collective comparison throughout the centuries.
The Vatican fought for centuries to keep the Bible under the control of the corrupt clergy and prevent it from being distributed to the masses to preserve the Catholic church's system of control over the population. All the early bible translators were hunted down and killed as "heretics" for translating and distributing hand copied Bibles in the languages spoken by the people. The Vatican outlawed and systematically destroyed these Bibles. Because of the incredible time and cost required to make just one copy by hand, the Vatican was able to slow and mostly prevent the rogue distribution efforts for several centuries . The situation completely changed after the Gutenberg printing press was invented in 1439. The resulting volume and cheap distribution of bibles made their destruction impossible, so the Vatican had to shift tactics. The Jesuits were commisioned to discredit these "heretical" translations through an aggressive international scheme to propogate the heliocentric model of the earth/universe, therby casting shade on the Bibles that people now read for themselves (Bibles that support a geocentric model of the universe). The Vatican claimed only its trained Catholic clergy were capable of correctly interpreting the scripture. The Jesuit message was that "science" clearly supported a heliocentric model of the universe therby discrediting the "heretical" translations and their geocentric (flat earth) cosmology. The Jesuits used this argument to affirm their claim that only the Catholic trained clergy were capable of properly understanding God's word and should continue to be regarded as spiritual authorities. If you do the research, you'll see that the Vatican = Free Masons. Heliocentrism is the psyop.
how the flippin floppitty fluesy do you jump from a geocentric viewpoint to a flat earth. Please verify in scripture where it describes a geocentric view as well. I know in job it talks of a circumference but please do verify with precise evidence to back up your statement
Plates are round but NOT spheres. After all the lies we have uncovered, I feel the Bible may be our most accurate history. Lie to me once, shame on you, lie to me twice (and me believe you) shame on me.
I still have not heard the explanation of how you can travel across the Pacific to Asia travel through Asia to Eurasia pop out into Europe then travel across the Atlantic and end back up in America. Do you go through some magical warp like pac man. How have we ended up where critical thinking and basic observation are lost, or have they just not left their computer screens and ventured into the world to travel, observe and experience the world as it is.
2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth.
Was David a philosopher? Could he have used the term World to describe an all encompassing view of all surrounding nature and be describing the natural laws set in place solid and immovable.
Would your view of the sun if you’ve never travelled to far off continents and never had instantaneous connection with them be that the sun hasten to come back to you? Do you not understand that the Creator and God of this universe is outside of both time and space and can stop the sun if he so pleases?
We have about 6 shills in your brigade, or sock puppet accounts. GTFO.
What a crock of bullshit
Well done and history supports it. People will have to catch up, I don't argue about God's word and it needs no defense.
Vatican was against translations because they didn't want them to contain errors or heresies (like some modern weird translations)
Lmao
You're right about the Vatican covering up most of the bible but that's not what they were covering up. It was the fact that god from the bible isn't the supreme creator of the universe, going through Hebrew texts el is different from yahweh. El is the creator of yahweh, and look at the gospel of judas iscariot. It says the same thing. Jesus is the son of the creator of yahweh and satan is equal to yahweh as both are great serpents who are leaders of the seraphim which means fiery serpents. Yahweh and satan are the 7th that rule the 6 in their orders of dark and light. There is a dragon that rules different parts of the world and quetzalcoatl is one. The secret is the pagans were worshipping dragons which is why they demanded blood sacrifice.
What do you smoke?
The good stuff
The bible is not god's word. It is man's account of what happened. I trust Jesus in the new testament, and know that there are inaccuracies and some strait up lies motivated by hubris in a lot of the other parts. The bible never said this is a book of science, because it's not. Jesus hated men who thought they were holy. Somolan who wrote psalms ended up going against God. The words of Jesus are the only words I take for granted, and guess what, he spoke in proverbs, for those with ears to hear, aka NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY.
It's hard for sense knowledged based people tonsee that. But from where I stand it's obvious. The Word of God is the Will of God! I dont break myself on it anymore.
For flat earth to be real, all those sailing channels on Youtube would have to be in on it.
Apparently you haven't seen their experiments.
Could you sail around the world without realizing it's flat?
Thats how the greeks and other ancient cultures realized pretty fast that it wasnt
Do you mean the same biblical account that was written by the Nicene convention 300 years after the death of Christ led by a self-acclaimed worshiper of the Sun God?
WORD CHOICE... You might want to replace written with assembled. The Bible is an anthology, not a novel.
Praise the lord 🙌
People who claim this actually know better and want to propagate the lies, beware of them. They obviously don't understand the discernment that comes from our Creator. If anyone wants to actually spend an hour and understand why "flat earthers" believe the way they do, then please watch this. Then you can either come back and "debunk" away or be set on your own journey of discovery. ANYONE who simply calls other believers clowns and such, without doing an ounce of actual research, is part of the problem. You are no different than the NPC's that get memed non stop, just living in your world and unwilling to be respectful of other peoples beliefs or to dig deeper and find out why they believe the way they do. There is a great divide of "TRUTH" in this world. One side says you either take their word for it or you are retarded, anti-science, or some sort of a denier...the other says "here's what we believe and why, now please do your own research with an OPEN MIND and decide for yourselves." It's funny how those who call out mental gymnastics of NPC's have no problem with their own mental gymnastics when a truth may potentially invade their little safe spaces. This short one hour movie will answer most of your questions and give you the general gist. BTW..the creator of this film is not religious in any way, so it's not even going into what our Bible teaches us. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
It's not being deceived to consider how God made the world. It is being deceived to adhere to fiction that not only can you not prove, but you cannot find biblical backing for. I look to debunk nothing. I could care less if your error goes un checked. However, your own lack of confidence in what you believe is clearly revealed in your judgmental remarks.
This is the way.
I chose my words exactly as I intended them. The Nicene convention (NC) was the final editor of the Bible most people ascribe as "complete". Was it based on previous works? Almost certainly. There is no dispute of that coming from me. But based on previous works and "final edit" means changes were made, or decided upon, or whatever.
The bible describes itself as "complete".
Who ordered that? Who decided that little sentence? Was it in fact the apostle John as many wish to believe (but for which there is much debate)? Did he maybe write it slightly different, but a few word changes made it into a closed circle that would forestall any future questions of the Christian Religion created at the NC? How could such a sentence make sense Prior to when the conventioneers decided on which books to include and which to leave out?
How do you know there weren't many other previous revisions or edits to create the Religion between the time of the original author and the NC? I mean, that is exactly what the NC did: formalize the tenets of the Religion, creating a formal work of dogma which was thereafter used as a means of social control of several continents for almost two millennia.
The bible as known today was a work of dogma created at the convention. A change of phrase here, a word there, can make all the difference in the world. It doesn't take much to completely alter meaning.
It's also very important to realize (which most do, but don't fully grasp) that the entire concept of "the law" part of the bible (Torah) is in large part the Jewish bible. Within it are stories of things like God demanding, or desiring first born son blood sacrifices, etc..
"Oh, but that's just the way the world was then." Really? So God wanted first born son sacrifices just like Molloch?
Look at the original Passover event. The Torah (old Testament) version of the "Creator God" apparently wanted all first born Egyptian sons to die so badly, he sent his angels to kill them all. "Oh, but that was only a last resort because they wouldn't let 'God's chosen people' go" (think about who those people were, one chosen race above all humanity in the entire world). Please note that murder by angel directive is not the same thing as "allowing bad things to happen". This is a direct act of murder by thug. So God wouldn't have killed them all (because presumably such a direct action of murder is bad) if they had only let the people go. God had to choose the lesser of two evils...
What kind of Creator God has to choose the lesser of two evils? Does that make ANY SENSE AT ALL?
Of course, the bible also says "if you run into logic that doesn't allow this book to make sense, take it on faith that the book is right and the logic is wrong".
Where else have we seen such statements?
In no way do I mean to demean the teachings of Christ. I am pointing out possible Luciferian influences in the Bible that creates the Dogma of the Religion. I am not in any way talking about Christ, nor his teachings.
Everyone who thinks the Bible somehow escaped Luciferian influence because the Bible says so when that book was written (final edit) by a self stated worshiper of the Sun God (aka Lucifer in some cultures) is deluding themselves, because that is what that same book told them to do.
The bible does not call itself complete; the book of revelation calls itself complete. There was no bible when John wrote the letter.
You moron. Quit trying to sound smart. Your about as knowledgeable as a hamster on a wheel spinning in circles.
Thanks for this. I need to digest this. I have studied the Bible a fair bit, but
I think you are correct that many private interpretations have crept into the explanations of Gods Word. Of which God says "no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
The Greek word for private is the word idios. Translates to "one's own" as in one's own interpretation. Also, the word idios is the basis for a word we throw sroumd here alot misusing it.
Anyway, the Bible has to interpret itself. In the word, in the verse in the chapter, in the Bible. Thknk first usages... same as a human author.
And go look up the Dead Sea scrolls
Pretty sure I mentioned them, albeit not directly. Are you trying to support my point? Thank you!
The Dead Sea scrolls verify the accuracy of the biblical text that is still preserved to this day. That means that the text I hold in my hand is accurate therefore your claims of alteration are null and void. Now there has been slight differences through the translation into other languages but with further study into the original words used you can gain the original contest and depth of meaning.
I’ll give it to you, you could probably make a pretty good living as a used car salesman. I mean I wouldn’t buy one from you but there’s plenty of gullible people out there.Im sure that’s what your boss says.
Let me ask you a question. Have you heard of the red river meeting house revival? Have you heard of the Azusa street revival? Have you studied the moves of the spirit through the ages? So your saying they all had it wrong and the Bible that the Holy Spirit used and baptized throngs of people throughout the ages was wrong? Do you know how many times the gospel and New Testament scrolls were duplicated and from every corner where it reached it was accurately transcribed and we can verify the accuracy of those transcripts through a collective comparison throughout the centuries.
And reaffirmed In 482 AD