I am looking for proof that makes it literally impossible for Q to be some unimpressive mid-20’s troll.
The entire body of work of Q is what proves that. There is no chance that an "unimpressive mid-20's troll" could have produced 5% of what Q did.
Q was an insider of some type. It could reasonably be debated which side Q was on, but the idea that he was just a troll, which implies no inside knowledge, only shows that you have not read much (or any) of Q's actual writings.
If you have not read any or much of Q's writing, and yet you have concluded that he might be an "unimpressive mid-20's troll," then it is reasonable to conclude that you are a troll.
I have read most, if not all of Q’s posts, and have been unable to prove that any of them couldn’t be fabricated by a bored news junkie.
That doesn’t make me a troll. From my perspective, it makes me a skeptic. From yours, it probably makes me an idiot.
But I’ve promised a lot of people here, including at least one mod, that I will be here if the Plan comes to fruition so you can all rub in my face how much smarter than me you are. So I intend to wait for the Plan and be here at the end, one way or the other.
All the 0 an negative deltas are just coincidence then? Post something seconds before the illegitimate president does more than once and I’ll consider Q a LARP.
I think both Q and Trump were posting fanatics and were living somewhere in the US time zone.
I’d be shocked if they didn’t coincidentally end up posting at the same time on a few occasions.
You’re only looking for deltas that are significant to you. Have you considered looking at deltas between Q and Elon Musk? Or Trump and Pewdiepie?
No? Because that would be ridiculous? Because it would be silly to assume that two prolific posters are related just because they hit submit at the same time?
Deltas will never be a winning argument with the nonbelievers, because it’s confirmation bias manifest. You’re only looking for deltas between people you want to be related, even though Q probably shares deltas with Justin Bieber and a million other people on the planet.
I’m saying exactly the same thing that you guys are saying. I’m just saying that I reached a different conclusion using those methods. There is nothing remotely trollish about that. In fact, that is exactly how the scientific peer review process works.
I don’t have a definite conclusion where the photos came from. But that means I cannot prove that they must have come from a high-level intelligence agent on AF1 with Trump.
That’s all I’m really interested in. If I can’t prove Q’s credentials, then I’m logically obligated to try to do that BEFORE accepting any evidence or worldview he tries to persuade me is real.
So far, I have been unable to prove that Q isn’t an internet troll. And I have tried.
Maybe those photos are from Q, and Q is who he claims to be. But I can’t adopt a new worldview and have faith in any plan until I can prove it’s literally impossible for Q to be trolling everyone.
First off, I wish people wouldn't downvote you and would like to thank you for actually engaging in a civil manner.
I'm sure we can all agree, left, right or center, that there are countless corrupt figures trying to screw all of us over without being held accountable.
As such, the only way to heal as a planet is to come together regardless of beliefs and to actually discuss, with a serious and open mind, the possibilities.
Thus, I am more than interested in knowing precisely what you have done in your attempt to research and what you have seen so far.
Would you care if I kindly asked you to start a thread in which you go into as much detail as you possibly can? I understand that this could take a lot of time out of your day, but perhaps that can help others fill in some gaps.
As far as 100% conclusive proof is concerned. I don't think that's possible without the person / group behind the account coming out and exposing the entire thing as real or larp.
That said, there are countless pieces of suspiciously precise coincidences. Now, given the volume of posts and the emphasis on "think mirror", time deltas and whatnot, it's the first valid working hypothesis is that someone is throwing shit around and seeing what sticks to the wall.
That explanation, however, quickly ceases to function due to the needlepoint precision of so many of those coincidences.
Which in turn leaves a number of possible options:
Q is real, the individual/team have access to certain key figures to make those coincidences (news, actions) possible, and:
Q is on "our" (e.g. the people, you included) side and uses the drops to various ends (different topic)
Q is an "enemy" or psyop
or
Q is a larp, and:
Several figures relevant to the news landscape decided, for whatever reason, to align news stories with Q drops
It's all a series of infinitesimally likely coincidences.
All that in mind, you have to sift through quite a volume of pieces of evidence to start getting a sense of what is happening, along with reading the drops themselves to get a clearer picture of what we're looking at if real.
Well, discussion is one thing, saying the same thing over and over is quite another. The "enlightened" attitude of smarminess they project is just annoying. They claim to want to save all the poor schmucks from believing a lie, thus proving they are smarter. They have the same attitude about Christianity, they want to "save us" from our religious delusion, b/c Richard Dawkins told them we believe in a spaghetti monster. The people that keep stating Q is a larp are the same people that spend 5 minutes reading the Bible(which now makes them a biblical expert), pull a scripture out apply it completely out of context, then say unilaterally religion is bad, and God is fill in the blank label to prove their point. There was a an idiot in the flat earth thread the other day doing just this.
They do the same with the Q drops. Pull out a random number drop, say this didn't happen therefore I.M. smart U R dum. They miss the entire message, not just parts of it. They miss the main point, and that is people who have the means to help, are doing just that, they know what is going on, and are alerting you to what is to come. Hmmm isn't God doing the same thing with the N.T., showing you how to correct yourself, and help others prior to what will come in revelations? You can't simply remove one number out of formula or equation, then say math doesn't work, you can't take a single drop out of the ocean and then claim there is no such thing, a cat or dog isn't a single hair.
The Q drops encompass a lot of information, taken at once it can be overwhelming, but there are parts of it everyone can understand w/o issue and b/c of that, you now have a starting point based on the things you do now. You can now start researching the things you don't know and tie it to what you already understand. That is the big key to the drops, YOU are doing the research and investigating, all we are given are slight nods, nudges, and bit of clarity, then we are off to the races. The drops got people to look for themselves instead of being spoon fed garbage as these young skulls full of mush are at the paid daycare, I mean university. Some of us have been looking into things that didn't make sense for quite a long time. The Q drops helped fill in the missing pieces, take any aha moment you have had, and that is what the Q drops enabled.
As far as proofs go, there are a lot of them. No, I am not going to list them out b/c at this point in time, if you don't know any of them you haven't been paying attention. There is a point when we need to stop going into remedial mode for every so called new person, who typically is a lefty trying to prove there is no such thing as Q. Peruse through the "book of Q"( it is poorly named imo), there are several very very good videos that lay out proofs.
Now if we could only get people to study the Bible in the same manner, we'll have made some serious progress.
For what it’s worth, I have absolutely no intention of trying to save any of you from your beliefs. No point. There’s a deadline on Q, and if by 2024 we haven’t seen Trump back in office and you guys vindicated, then clearly either Q wasn’t real, or the Plan failed.
Either way, it requires absolutely no work from me to prove you wrong, so I’m not accepting that responsibility.
First thing, Q research is not a "belief", let's get that out of the way, that's a petty way of trying to categorize the research and investigation as some sort of cult or religion.
Next, if you aren't trying to convince people that Q is wrong, then what is the point of posting anything about it -- truly? If you aren't, then it is strictly trolling and/or doing it for the luls, it comes down to a simple binary choice. There might a third option of possibly being obstinate b/c it makes sense but that causes inner turmoil against all you know.
Either way, it requires absolutely no work from me to prove you wrong, so I’m not accepting that responsibility.
You don't need to accept the responsibility as that has no correlation here, regardless you are trying to prove the movement wrong from a sideways direction. Do you want to see things get worse? Are you that full of yourself to be correct that you want to see America fall? If this country falls, we're all going to be in trouble, if you believe that you or others like you will be saved for "bringing down Q people", you are sorely mistaken, you will be in the bread lines and slave camps with us. I would posit that you don't know the term "useful idiot". The cabal is a club that everyday people are not a part of my friend.
I’ve been talking with the Q community since the 8chan days. I probably have more time around this than a lot of current GAW users. And I look at every piece of evidence that comes through, as far as I am able.
I don’t like the idea of making a giant thread with me tearing down Q, because that’s not really why I hang out here. I am just trying to see how we both look at the same piece of evidence and come to different conclusion.
I personally haven’t yet been able to prove Q is anything other than one of many trolls back in the 4chan days who claimed to be an anonymous insider. I don’t think that the “coincidences” are infinitesimally unlikely. I think that you guys are just interpreting anything that might seem related to a vague prophecy as being confirmed (confirmation bias).
How many different times have people here said, “watch the water” in response to a random news story involving water? Charles Flynn, the hospital ships off Cali, the Evergiven, flooding, and even the Texas ice storm.
And when none of those actually turned out to be anything productive for Q, it gets memory-holed until someone find that particular interpretation of “watch the water” useful again.
That’s why I’m trying to focus mostly on the smoking gun for Q. Because people have claimed a LOT of proof for non-falsifiable entities like Q or God by citing what they interpret to be a string of unlikely coincidences, rather than them seeing and interpreting non-events according to a worldview that is based on faith.
And downvoting doesn’t bother me. I have a thick-enough skin to handle disapproval. :)
I personally haven’t yet been able to prove Q is anything other than one of many trolls back in the 4chan days who claimed to be an anonymous insider. I don’t think that the “coincidences” are infinitesimally unlikely.
A proof is absolute, and I don't think anyone has one for any all-encompassing hypothesis about Q.
And when none of those actually turned out to be anything productive for Q, it gets memory-holed until someone find that particular interpretation of “watch the water” useful again.
That's what research means, though I fully see how that fuels into confirmation bias. I had a good chuckle at how far fetched some were myself. But entertaining various hypotheses without accepting them is part of all good research and thinking.
On the contrary, you seem to be exerting confirmation bias yourself by latching onto the discarded hypotheses.
This is my suspicion and my hope is to see to which extent that is true (or false). I can only do this by getting as much unprompted information out of you as possible though, hence my request for a thread. I could just start bombarding you with instances of evidence that I find the most compelling once put together, but that would end up with a double-slit type bias, e.g. one where I'd influence you directly. This in turn would render my "experiment" and any data from it unworkable.
As such, if you ever do feel like you have the time to do this I would appreciate a heads up so I can follow more closely.
And downvoting doesn’t bother me. I have a thick-enough skin to handle disapproval. :)
If nothing else, at least you're not the obnoxious type that is so prevalent on all sides of the aisle right now.
I hope you'll find a way to inspire others around you to become similarly capable of more civil and open-minded inquiry and discussion.
God is not falsifiable, which is why God is outside of science. I can’t prove that a being that is omniscient and all powerful and undetectable exists. But I also can’t prove that such a being doesn’t exist, because by definition, God cannot be detected.
Whenever I present an argument, I tell people how to beat me and defeat my argument, because my arguments are falsifiable.
Harming my belief in evolutionary theory means finding a fossil that shows an anatomical structure harmful to its own species but beneficial for another species. That would be a serious problem for evolution, and if you can find such a fossil, you will have falsified my argument.
Likewise, if you can show me a Q post that could not possibly have been written by anyone other than a high level intelligence agent in the Trump administration, then my beliefs about Q will suffer a major hit. I am telling you how to beat me.
Can anyone here offer a similar strategy for falsifying Q? Is there any piece of evidence that you would have no choice but to accept harms your worldview about Q?
The answer is usually no, because Q, in my opinion, is a nonfalsifiable belief. He can’t be wrong. He can’t be disproven. “Future proves past.” His prophecies can apply anywhere in time to any number of events and may be encoded. I can’t even verify his identity and see if he would have access to the info he claims.
That’s the rub. My claims are falsifiable. I am offering the blueprints on how to beat me and prove me wrong. On the other hand, all I can do is wait for Q’s plan to either happen or not happen, because if NCSWIC, then literally the only way to falsify Q is to wait until you guys get bored of waiting.
Who Q is does not matter. What Q has done is what matters.
Millions now see that News, Finance, Politics, Health, Courts, Business, Pharmaceuticals, Banks.... are all connected by a dark purpose. Millions know blackmail controls the public face puppets. Millions understand false flag operations, can spot them, and can sometimes even counter those operations. Millions are prepared to resist because of Q.
Well… correct… I base my beliefs about reality on evidence. I don’t pick which evidence to accept based on my beliefs.
I am looking for proof that Q MUST be who he claims to be, someone with access to the info he claims to have.
I am looking for proof that makes it literally impossible for Q to be some unimpressive mid-20’s troll.
I am not rejecting the AF1 photos because they don’t support MY belief. I’m still looking at the evidence.
I am rejecting those photos because as far as I can tell, they don’t support YOUR belief.
The entire body of work of Q is what proves that. There is no chance that an "unimpressive mid-20's troll" could have produced 5% of what Q did.
Q was an insider of some type. It could reasonably be debated which side Q was on, but the idea that he was just a troll, which implies no inside knowledge, only shows that you have not read much (or any) of Q's actual writings.
If you have not read any or much of Q's writing, and yet you have concluded that he might be an "unimpressive mid-20's troll," then it is reasonable to conclude that you are a troll.
I have read most, if not all of Q’s posts, and have been unable to prove that any of them couldn’t be fabricated by a bored news junkie.
That doesn’t make me a troll. From my perspective, it makes me a skeptic. From yours, it probably makes me an idiot.
But I’ve promised a lot of people here, including at least one mod, that I will be here if the Plan comes to fruition so you can all rub in my face how much smarter than me you are. So I intend to wait for the Plan and be here at the end, one way or the other.
All the 0 an negative deltas are just coincidence then? Post something seconds before the illegitimate president does more than once and I’ll consider Q a LARP.
I think both Q and Trump were posting fanatics and were living somewhere in the US time zone.
I’d be shocked if they didn’t coincidentally end up posting at the same time on a few occasions.
You’re only looking for deltas that are significant to you. Have you considered looking at deltas between Q and Elon Musk? Or Trump and Pewdiepie?
No? Because that would be ridiculous? Because it would be silly to assume that two prolific posters are related just because they hit submit at the same time?
Deltas will never be a winning argument with the nonbelievers, because it’s confirmation bias manifest. You’re only looking for deltas between people you want to be related, even though Q probably shares deltas with Justin Bieber and a million other people on the planet.
I’m saying exactly the same thing that you guys are saying. I’m just saying that I reached a different conclusion using those methods. There is nothing remotely trollish about that. In fact, that is exactly how the scientific peer review process works.
I don’t know how you read that in my post.
I don’t have a definite conclusion where the photos came from. But that means I cannot prove that they must have come from a high-level intelligence agent on AF1 with Trump.
That’s all I’m really interested in. If I can’t prove Q’s credentials, then I’m logically obligated to try to do that BEFORE accepting any evidence or worldview he tries to persuade me is real.
So far, I have been unable to prove that Q isn’t an internet troll. And I have tried.
Maybe those photos are from Q, and Q is who he claims to be. But I can’t adopt a new worldview and have faith in any plan until I can prove it’s literally impossible for Q to be trolling everyone.
First off, I wish people wouldn't downvote you and would like to thank you for actually engaging in a civil manner.
I'm sure we can all agree, left, right or center, that there are countless corrupt figures trying to screw all of us over without being held accountable.
As such, the only way to heal as a planet is to come together regardless of beliefs and to actually discuss, with a serious and open mind, the possibilities.
Thus, I am more than interested in knowing precisely what you have done in your attempt to research and what you have seen so far.
Would you care if I kindly asked you to start a thread in which you go into as much detail as you possibly can? I understand that this could take a lot of time out of your day, but perhaps that can help others fill in some gaps.
As far as 100% conclusive proof is concerned. I don't think that's possible without the person / group behind the account coming out and exposing the entire thing as real or larp.
That said, there are countless pieces of suspiciously precise coincidences. Now, given the volume of posts and the emphasis on "think mirror", time deltas and whatnot, it's the first valid working hypothesis is that someone is throwing shit around and seeing what sticks to the wall.
That explanation, however, quickly ceases to function due to the needlepoint precision of so many of those coincidences.
Which in turn leaves a number of possible options:
Q is real, the individual/team have access to certain key figures to make those coincidences (news, actions) possible, and:
or
Q is a larp, and:
All that in mind, you have to sift through quite a volume of pieces of evidence to start getting a sense of what is happening, along with reading the drops themselves to get a clearer picture of what we're looking at if real.
Well, discussion is one thing, saying the same thing over and over is quite another. The "enlightened" attitude of smarminess they project is just annoying. They claim to want to save all the poor schmucks from believing a lie, thus proving they are smarter. They have the same attitude about Christianity, they want to "save us" from our religious delusion, b/c Richard Dawkins told them we believe in a spaghetti monster. The people that keep stating Q is a larp are the same people that spend 5 minutes reading the Bible(which now makes them a biblical expert), pull a scripture out apply it completely out of context, then say unilaterally religion is bad, and God is fill in the blank label to prove their point. There was a an idiot in the flat earth thread the other day doing just this.
They do the same with the Q drops. Pull out a random number drop, say this didn't happen therefore I.M. smart U R dum. They miss the entire message, not just parts of it. They miss the main point, and that is people who have the means to help, are doing just that, they know what is going on, and are alerting you to what is to come. Hmmm isn't God doing the same thing with the N.T., showing you how to correct yourself, and help others prior to what will come in revelations? You can't simply remove one number out of formula or equation, then say math doesn't work, you can't take a single drop out of the ocean and then claim there is no such thing, a cat or dog isn't a single hair.
The Q drops encompass a lot of information, taken at once it can be overwhelming, but there are parts of it everyone can understand w/o issue and b/c of that, you now have a starting point based on the things you do now. You can now start researching the things you don't know and tie it to what you already understand. That is the big key to the drops, YOU are doing the research and investigating, all we are given are slight nods, nudges, and bit of clarity, then we are off to the races. The drops got people to look for themselves instead of being spoon fed garbage as these young skulls full of mush are at the paid daycare, I mean university. Some of us have been looking into things that didn't make sense for quite a long time. The Q drops helped fill in the missing pieces, take any aha moment you have had, and that is what the Q drops enabled.
As far as proofs go, there are a lot of them. No, I am not going to list them out b/c at this point in time, if you don't know any of them you haven't been paying attention. There is a point when we need to stop going into remedial mode for every so called new person, who typically is a lefty trying to prove there is no such thing as Q. Peruse through the "book of Q"( it is poorly named imo), there are several very very good videos that lay out proofs.
Now if we could only get people to study the Bible in the same manner, we'll have made some serious progress.
For what it’s worth, I have absolutely no intention of trying to save any of you from your beliefs. No point. There’s a deadline on Q, and if by 2024 we haven’t seen Trump back in office and you guys vindicated, then clearly either Q wasn’t real, or the Plan failed.
Either way, it requires absolutely no work from me to prove you wrong, so I’m not accepting that responsibility.
First thing, Q research is not a "belief", let's get that out of the way, that's a petty way of trying to categorize the research and investigation as some sort of cult or religion.
Next, if you aren't trying to convince people that Q is wrong, then what is the point of posting anything about it -- truly? If you aren't, then it is strictly trolling and/or doing it for the luls, it comes down to a simple binary choice. There might a third option of possibly being obstinate b/c it makes sense but that causes inner turmoil against all you know.
You don't need to accept the responsibility as that has no correlation here, regardless you are trying to prove the movement wrong from a sideways direction. Do you want to see things get worse? Are you that full of yourself to be correct that you want to see America fall? If this country falls, we're all going to be in trouble, if you believe that you or others like you will be saved for "bringing down Q people", you are sorely mistaken, you will be in the bread lines and slave camps with us. I would posit that you don't know the term "useful idiot". The cabal is a club that everyday people are not a part of my friend.
I’ve been talking with the Q community since the 8chan days. I probably have more time around this than a lot of current GAW users. And I look at every piece of evidence that comes through, as far as I am able.
I don’t like the idea of making a giant thread with me tearing down Q, because that’s not really why I hang out here. I am just trying to see how we both look at the same piece of evidence and come to different conclusion.
I personally haven’t yet been able to prove Q is anything other than one of many trolls back in the 4chan days who claimed to be an anonymous insider. I don’t think that the “coincidences” are infinitesimally unlikely. I think that you guys are just interpreting anything that might seem related to a vague prophecy as being confirmed (confirmation bias).
How many different times have people here said, “watch the water” in response to a random news story involving water? Charles Flynn, the hospital ships off Cali, the Evergiven, flooding, and even the Texas ice storm.
And when none of those actually turned out to be anything productive for Q, it gets memory-holed until someone find that particular interpretation of “watch the water” useful again.
That’s why I’m trying to focus mostly on the smoking gun for Q. Because people have claimed a LOT of proof for non-falsifiable entities like Q or God by citing what they interpret to be a string of unlikely coincidences, rather than them seeing and interpreting non-events according to a worldview that is based on faith.
And downvoting doesn’t bother me. I have a thick-enough skin to handle disapproval. :)
A proof is absolute, and I don't think anyone has one for any all-encompassing hypothesis about Q.
That's what research means, though I fully see how that fuels into confirmation bias. I had a good chuckle at how far fetched some were myself. But entertaining various hypotheses without accepting them is part of all good research and thinking.
On the contrary, you seem to be exerting confirmation bias yourself by latching onto the discarded hypotheses.
This is my suspicion and my hope is to see to which extent that is true (or false). I can only do this by getting as much unprompted information out of you as possible though, hence my request for a thread. I could just start bombarding you with instances of evidence that I find the most compelling once put together, but that would end up with a double-slit type bias, e.g. one where I'd influence you directly. This in turn would render my "experiment" and any data from it unworkable.
As such, if you ever do feel like you have the time to do this I would appreciate a heads up so I can follow more closely.
If nothing else, at least you're not the obnoxious type that is so prevalent on all sides of the aisle right now.
I hope you'll find a way to inspire others around you to become similarly capable of more civil and open-minded inquiry and discussion.
Honestly, it comes down to nonfalsifiability.
God is not falsifiable, which is why God is outside of science. I can’t prove that a being that is omniscient and all powerful and undetectable exists. But I also can’t prove that such a being doesn’t exist, because by definition, God cannot be detected.
Whenever I present an argument, I tell people how to beat me and defeat my argument, because my arguments are falsifiable.
Harming my belief in evolutionary theory means finding a fossil that shows an anatomical structure harmful to its own species but beneficial for another species. That would be a serious problem for evolution, and if you can find such a fossil, you will have falsified my argument.
Likewise, if you can show me a Q post that could not possibly have been written by anyone other than a high level intelligence agent in the Trump administration, then my beliefs about Q will suffer a major hit. I am telling you how to beat me.
Can anyone here offer a similar strategy for falsifying Q? Is there any piece of evidence that you would have no choice but to accept harms your worldview about Q?
The answer is usually no, because Q, in my opinion, is a nonfalsifiable belief. He can’t be wrong. He can’t be disproven. “Future proves past.” His prophecies can apply anywhere in time to any number of events and may be encoded. I can’t even verify his identity and see if he would have access to the info he claims.
That’s the rub. My claims are falsifiable. I am offering the blueprints on how to beat me and prove me wrong. On the other hand, all I can do is wait for Q’s plan to either happen or not happen, because if NCSWIC, then literally the only way to falsify Q is to wait until you guys get bored of waiting.
it's cool that you hang out here. thanks for being open to discussion
I always hang out with people I disagree with.
Nothing to be learned from people who agree with me.
Who Q is does not matter. What Q has done is what matters.
Millions now see that News, Finance, Politics, Health, Courts, Business, Pharmaceuticals, Banks.... are all connected by a dark purpose. Millions know blackmail controls the public face puppets. Millions understand false flag operations, can spot them, and can sometimes even counter those operations. Millions are prepared to resist because of Q.