yeah thats the most fucked up part of the whole story. they guy sat in his car the whole time, didn't do anything but film it. and he gets locked up? WTF people he was not part of the crime in the first place. dumbass jury
This is a miscarriage of justice. People keep saying they "should not have chased him" but that is absolutely incorrect. Everyone has a right to defend their neighborhood against burglars. Arbery was NOT a "jogger" as we all know. He was repeatedly filmed trespassing on properties where things had gone missing. There was an ongoing problem in that neighborhood which is why the neighbors were on alert.
If we did not have the right to defend our neighborhood from this kind of thing, then we therefore could not possibly delegate this power to the police. You can only delegate powers that exist.
Furthermore, these men did not "hunt him down and shoot him." They tried to detain him for the authorities. He did not have to assault them either. Remember it was only when Arbery caused a struggle over a gun, and someone feared for their life, that he was shot. He did not have to make this choice.
Calling this "murder" is an absolute miscarriage of justice. At this point, with the authorities so corrupt and evil, what choice do people have except to live in communities where there are no blacks?
Yep, I agree with you 100% Zero way this is murder for ALL THREE of them. When they woke up that day, or even when they saw Arbery, they didn't have it on their mind to kill someone.
I mean what do you do? Just watch the thug roam your neighborhood, call the cops, by the time they show up, he's gone.
I mean I probably would have done the same thing, chase the dude out of my neighborhood or try to stop him and wait for the cops, in my mind I see absolutely nothing wrong with that..... ESPECIALLY in this day and age we live in.
But he charged the dude tried to take his gun, got shot and because of Arbery's actions they most likely will all go away for life, for protecting their neighborhood.
there was no legal case for making a citizens arrest. suspicion of theft alone isnt enough to detain him with guns. they didnt catch arbery commiting theft. do you really want a legal precedent that any asshole can try to make citizens arrest based on suspicions alone? Next time you're in a city, some antifa faggot is allowed to hold you at gun point?
we have laws. if someones stealing from your property you can hold them at your property. this was not it
I mean I see what you are saying, I see both sides, maybe I'm in the wrong and honestly I'm fine with that. I don't want to see anyone hurt or killed no matter what color, but dude was obviously somewhere he shouldn't have been, doing shit he shouldn't be doing. He put himself in that situation, then he exacerbated the problem by running at the person with a gun and trying to take it.... I think looking at Arbery's past, the fact they saw him there before, he's in a house he shouldn't be in, these are things he did, they should be taken in to account. Those dudes were not out there trying to murder a black dude... thats BS.
And I wouldn't care cause I would never be where ANTIFA is and if they did try to pull guns on me we would have a nice little shoot out... I'd honestly be happier with a shoot out then to have to go through our bullshit legal system.
Mostly because the whole "We have laws" aren't going to work for law abiding gun folks much longer. Kyle fucking squeaked by on something that should have never been charged, 40-50 years ago Arbury case would have never been charged.
I mean I get it, but if you are relying on laws of the land to protect your family or your neighborhoods, probably worthless to have guns in the future.
It was NOT on video. The problem is they suspected a crime of Misdemeanor degree which does NOT constitute a citizen's arrest. Now we can argue those implications, but the law is the law and in this instance both men tried playing cop and are paying the price
It is because the response to the crime did not necessitate them confronting him armed. Laws regarding citizens arrests are pretty clear that if it isn't a misdemeanor, it isn't your jurisdiction. So it can be articulated that them approaching him armed was already them overstepping their bounds regardless of Arbury committing theft.
Now I don't entirely agree with those distinctions, but I am also not for rescinding those laws unless everyone goes through police academy training in high school.
No wonder I haven't been hearing lefties going on about this case. They're actually guilty, or incredibly stupid to incriminate themselves so thoroughly.
Jesus some of those fuckin comments... and yes they are guilty. This is not a political resolution. The system, once again, proved itself true.
Now they might be able to get some of the convictions appealed as I don't think intent was proven, but they should not have chased at all. That was dumb and they are paying the price as they should.
I think they were convicted of "felony murder" which is not the same as "murder." It refers to a situation where someone dies during the commission of a separate crime.
The "separate crime" presumably in this case is doing a citizen's arrest over a misdemeanor. If that is a felony and if someone died during the arrest, then they would be able to nail them on felony murder.
IMO this case is still a huge miscarriage of justice and does not portend well to those who want to simultaneously have the right to defend their neighborhood while also living among blacks.
People may have to simply live apart from blacks in order to avoid these problems in the future.
Yes. There was a struggle for the gun (one on one, as another watched from the truck bed, and another filmed). Some of the struggle was not in the video. Arbery was shot, staggered a bit and went down.
They found the dude who filmed it guilty of felony murder also... lol how does that work?
yeah thats the most fucked up part of the whole story. they guy sat in his car the whole time, didn't do anything but film it. and he gets locked up? WTF people he was not part of the crime in the first place. dumbass jury
While I do think our vigilante laws need reworking, these guys should never have chased him.
3 on 1 as well.
Let's see if they riot in celebration...
This is a miscarriage of justice. People keep saying they "should not have chased him" but that is absolutely incorrect. Everyone has a right to defend their neighborhood against burglars. Arbery was NOT a "jogger" as we all know. He was repeatedly filmed trespassing on properties where things had gone missing. There was an ongoing problem in that neighborhood which is why the neighbors were on alert.
If we did not have the right to defend our neighborhood from this kind of thing, then we therefore could not possibly delegate this power to the police. You can only delegate powers that exist.
Furthermore, these men did not "hunt him down and shoot him." They tried to detain him for the authorities. He did not have to assault them either. Remember it was only when Arbery caused a struggle over a gun, and someone feared for their life, that he was shot. He did not have to make this choice.
Calling this "murder" is an absolute miscarriage of justice. At this point, with the authorities so corrupt and evil, what choice do people have except to live in communities where there are no blacks?
Do we have a right to be left alone?
Yep, I agree with you 100% Zero way this is murder for ALL THREE of them. When they woke up that day, or even when they saw Arbery, they didn't have it on their mind to kill someone.
I mean what do you do? Just watch the thug roam your neighborhood, call the cops, by the time they show up, he's gone.
I mean I probably would have done the same thing, chase the dude out of my neighborhood or try to stop him and wait for the cops, in my mind I see absolutely nothing wrong with that..... ESPECIALLY in this day and age we live in.
But he charged the dude tried to take his gun, got shot and because of Arbery's actions they most likely will all go away for life, for protecting their neighborhood.
there was no legal case for making a citizens arrest. suspicion of theft alone isnt enough to detain him with guns. they didnt catch arbery commiting theft. do you really want a legal precedent that any asshole can try to make citizens arrest based on suspicions alone? Next time you're in a city, some antifa faggot is allowed to hold you at gun point?
we have laws. if someones stealing from your property you can hold them at your property. this was not it
I mean I see what you are saying, I see both sides, maybe I'm in the wrong and honestly I'm fine with that. I don't want to see anyone hurt or killed no matter what color, but dude was obviously somewhere he shouldn't have been, doing shit he shouldn't be doing. He put himself in that situation, then he exacerbated the problem by running at the person with a gun and trying to take it.... I think looking at Arbery's past, the fact they saw him there before, he's in a house he shouldn't be in, these are things he did, they should be taken in to account. Those dudes were not out there trying to murder a black dude... thats BS.
And I wouldn't care cause I would never be where ANTIFA is and if they did try to pull guns on me we would have a nice little shoot out... I'd honestly be happier with a shoot out then to have to go through our bullshit legal system.
Mostly because the whole "We have laws" aren't going to work for law abiding gun folks much longer. Kyle fucking squeaked by on something that should have never been charged, 40-50 years ago Arbury case would have never been charged.
I mean I get it, but if you are relying on laws of the land to protect your family or your neighborhoods, probably worthless to have guns in the future.
Don't know the in's and out's of this one, like I did with Kyle's, but wasn't this all on video also?
Didn't Arbery try to run up and take their gun?
It was NOT on video. The problem is they suspected a crime of Misdemeanor degree which does NOT constitute a citizen's arrest. Now we can argue those implications, but the law is the law and in this instance both men tried playing cop and are paying the price
I don't get it, how does that lead to a murder charge if that's the issue?
Arbery got shot after he ran up to them and (stupidly) grabbed a gun that wasn't pointed at anyone. That's not murder??
It is because the response to the crime did not necessitate them confronting him armed. Laws regarding citizens arrests are pretty clear that if it isn't a misdemeanor, it isn't your jurisdiction. So it can be articulated that them approaching him armed was already them overstepping their bounds regardless of Arbury committing theft.
Now I don't entirely agree with those distinctions, but I am also not for rescinding those laws unless everyone goes through police academy training in high school.
I just listened to this: https://youtu.be/K-KHz-mkQSU
No wonder I haven't been hearing lefties going on about this case. They're actually guilty, or incredibly stupid to incriminate themselves so thoroughly.
Jesus some of those fuckin comments... and yes they are guilty. This is not a political resolution. The system, once again, proved itself true.
Now they might be able to get some of the convictions appealed as I don't think intent was proven, but they should not have chased at all. That was dumb and they are paying the price as they should.
I think they were convicted of "felony murder" which is not the same as "murder." It refers to a situation where someone dies during the commission of a separate crime.
The "separate crime" presumably in this case is doing a citizen's arrest over a misdemeanor. If that is a felony and if someone died during the arrest, then they would be able to nail them on felony murder.
IMO this case is still a huge miscarriage of justice and does not portend well to those who want to simultaneously have the right to defend their neighborhood while also living among blacks.
People may have to simply live apart from blacks in order to avoid these problems in the future.
Yes. There was a struggle for the gun (one on one, as another watched from the truck bed, and another filmed). Some of the struggle was not in the video. Arbery was shot, staggered a bit and went down.
IOW, not very reliable.