The Psychology is sound, I've used it at work numerous times, especially on public conference calls.
Say someone has done something stupid or caused a major problem and you're the one who has been called in to fix it. You find the issue, and the culprit, and you are explaining the issue and the solution to a dozen people, including board members.
You don't throw the culprit under the bus, you explain to the bosses that it was a natural mistake to make when trying to do something else that should have had a positive effect. You also don't name them.
After the call you can have a private chat with the person and they will forever after be i your camp and be willing to listen to you, because you didn't throw them to the wolves when you could have, and you also gave them a face saving excuse.
A few times I managed to convince the person to go to the bosses themselves and tell them that once I described how it could have happened they realised what they had done and now they were coming clean. This doesn't result in censure because the plausable get-out has already been established and it actually makes them look good, oddly enough.
That person is now part of your team.
The beauty of this type of approach is that you can even tell people what you are doing and as long as they see the benefits for themselves they are 100% ok with it, it's like magic.
Yes! I use this same approach with my team at work. Not only does it give that "face saving excuse," but it also establishes a more solidly cohesive team in general. It's a subtle way to train the team to view issues and screw ups from a place of curiosity over blame. And at the same time, if I or our CEO screws up, we openly admit it creating a safe place for natural human failures, along with the opportunity to learn from them, and full transparency from the top down. It's the perfect way to manage a team and probably the best way to go to gently red pill normies as they begin to wake up.
Honestly this is a great post. I’ve always been naturally skeptical of any authority figure and authoritarianism in general. It’s just in my DNA to go against the grain especially when the masses are all into some idea or pushing some ideology. It hasn’t always been easy to be this way, but I’m thanking God for it now.
That being said I’ve had so much frustration with friends choosing to take this stupid clot shot. Conservative, “based” people supposedly caving, including a longtime best friend. So now I have a better approach for when/if the time of regret ever comes. Instead of outright blame I can work through the situation and talk about the elements of coercion and deception they fell victim to. It feels somewhat disingenuous but honestly the blame approach will get nowhere except shut out from their lives…
I am the same I think it must be a personality trait you are born with. I have always been repulsed by any group think thing even merchandise. Like the "North Face" jacket craze. Screams lemming to me. Sometimes I am probably missing out on truly superior products or whatever, but I can't help it. I am oppositional.
I'm with you both. It's gotta be something you're born with. I've bucked every trend, authority... whatever the masses are doing in general. I too think it's probably an innate trait.
That's been my life as well. When I saw what seemed to be EVERYONE with those jackets a couple of years ago (the horizontal rolls of down(?)), I would not have bought one for that reason....even though I might have enjoyed one. It just seems stupid to run with the crowd. I'd rather find or make my own stuff if I can.
I find using the Socratic Method useful, then when they come to their own conclusions - they may be embarrassed slightly, but they are not humiliated outrightly…
Mortal shame is why I have so far been unsuccessful in red pilling my extended family. They're almost all hardline, dyed blue Leftists. When Trump ran for office in '16, they all voted for Bernie. In '20, they all voted for Buyden.
At Thanksgiving dinner, I had the pleasure of talking to one of them, my older cousin. I got a glimpse inside her psyche and decision making process in her decision to get jabbed and also a good look at why she's so hardcore leftist. Shes a NPR listener. She also told me that she decided to get jabbed because 1)she has to work as she's the major bread winner, and 2) b cause she's an OT (occupational therapist) she has access to "the research" and peer reviewed papers on these coof jabs. That she discussed them with the Dra she works with and they ALL assured her it was safe and effective. Btw, she works in an ALF.
At that point, I turned out because I knew it would be pointless to drop some knowledge and science on her. Her advanced degree makes it almost impossible. She literally believes that because she works in yh medical field, albeit as an OT, that she knows better than the rest of us.
I also have an Uncle who literally said that because he has a PhD (in philosophy, btw), that the rest of us should take his word for gospel, too. This is how these people think. It's disgusting behaviour, actually. Makes me sad, too. The Uncle has prostate cancer and is getting worse. The cousin has high blood pressure and it's also been getting worse. They're health has worsened since taking the coof jabs. Yet, they're haughty, self agrandizing behaviour won't let them admit they even might be wrong. So, as far as I'm concerned, they're on their own with this. I can't do anything for them. If I try, it'll only make matters worse.
Excellent post. Love this idea of a gentle approach to red-pilling over gloating and being negative. Your right, we ain't got that kinda time right now. Amen.
As a great neurologist once said to his students, some of whom were struggling with orthodoxy, "We have to do whatever it takes to get these people functioning,"
I agree with this and have thought of this as well. I was thinking of making signs that basically say "WAKE UP!!! You all got PLAYED!!!"
And yes I like this approach because it's TRUE - people can and DO make mistakes. Often it's their PRIDE that prevents them from admitting their mistakes - and pride helps no one.
I am so incredibly scared about the monoclonal antibody therapy for this very reason.
I got it two days ago because my heart rate wouldn’t come down, and my doctor—who normally doesn’t push these kinds of things—was worried. I trust her in everything except for this situation.
Please pray for me. I am so scared sotrovimab is going to screw me up for life because they don’t have phase IV trials out.
This entire situation has just been so confusing. I’m hoping I made an OK choice.
The Psychology is sound, I've used it at work numerous times, especially on public conference calls.
Say someone has done something stupid or caused a major problem and you're the one who has been called in to fix it. You find the issue, and the culprit, and you are explaining the issue and the solution to a dozen people, including board members.
You don't throw the culprit under the bus, you explain to the bosses that it was a natural mistake to make when trying to do something else that should have had a positive effect. You also don't name them.
After the call you can have a private chat with the person and they will forever after be i your camp and be willing to listen to you, because you didn't throw them to the wolves when you could have, and you also gave them a face saving excuse.
A few times I managed to convince the person to go to the bosses themselves and tell them that once I described how it could have happened they realised what they had done and now they were coming clean. This doesn't result in censure because the plausable get-out has already been established and it actually makes them look good, oddly enough.
That person is now part of your team.
The beauty of this type of approach is that you can even tell people what you are doing and as long as they see the benefits for themselves they are 100% ok with it, it's like magic.
Very based approach!
Yes! I use this same approach with my team at work. Not only does it give that "face saving excuse," but it also establishes a more solidly cohesive team in general. It's a subtle way to train the team to view issues and screw ups from a place of curiosity over blame. And at the same time, if I or our CEO screws up, we openly admit it creating a safe place for natural human failures, along with the opportunity to learn from them, and full transparency from the top down. It's the perfect way to manage a team and probably the best way to go to gently red pill normies as they begin to wake up.
Well put. Always give people a chance to save face if their screwups aren't malicious.
Honestly this is a great post. I’ve always been naturally skeptical of any authority figure and authoritarianism in general. It’s just in my DNA to go against the grain especially when the masses are all into some idea or pushing some ideology. It hasn’t always been easy to be this way, but I’m thanking God for it now.
That being said I’ve had so much frustration with friends choosing to take this stupid clot shot. Conservative, “based” people supposedly caving, including a longtime best friend. So now I have a better approach for when/if the time of regret ever comes. Instead of outright blame I can work through the situation and talk about the elements of coercion and deception they fell victim to. It feels somewhat disingenuous but honestly the blame approach will get nowhere except shut out from their lives…
I am the same I think it must be a personality trait you are born with. I have always been repulsed by any group think thing even merchandise. Like the "North Face" jacket craze. Screams lemming to me. Sometimes I am probably missing out on truly superior products or whatever, but I can't help it. I am oppositional.
I'm with you both. It's gotta be something you're born with. I've bucked every trend, authority... whatever the masses are doing in general. I too think it's probably an innate trait.
That's been my life as well. When I saw what seemed to be EVERYONE with those jackets a couple of years ago (the horizontal rolls of down(?)), I would not have bought one for that reason....even though I might have enjoyed one. It just seems stupid to run with the crowd. I'd rather find or make my own stuff if I can.
I find using the Socratic Method useful, then when they come to their own conclusions - they may be embarrassed slightly, but they are not humiliated outrightly…
Great post and sound theory …
Why then did they kill Socrates?
Mortal shame is why I have so far been unsuccessful in red pilling my extended family. They're almost all hardline, dyed blue Leftists. When Trump ran for office in '16, they all voted for Bernie. In '20, they all voted for Buyden.
At Thanksgiving dinner, I had the pleasure of talking to one of them, my older cousin. I got a glimpse inside her psyche and decision making process in her decision to get jabbed and also a good look at why she's so hardcore leftist. Shes a NPR listener. She also told me that she decided to get jabbed because 1)she has to work as she's the major bread winner, and 2) b cause she's an OT (occupational therapist) she has access to "the research" and peer reviewed papers on these coof jabs. That she discussed them with the Dra she works with and they ALL assured her it was safe and effective. Btw, she works in an ALF.
At that point, I turned out because I knew it would be pointless to drop some knowledge and science on her. Her advanced degree makes it almost impossible. She literally believes that because she works in yh medical field, albeit as an OT, that she knows better than the rest of us.
I also have an Uncle who literally said that because he has a PhD (in philosophy, btw), that the rest of us should take his word for gospel, too. This is how these people think. It's disgusting behaviour, actually. Makes me sad, too. The Uncle has prostate cancer and is getting worse. The cousin has high blood pressure and it's also been getting worse. They're health has worsened since taking the coof jabs. Yet, they're haughty, self agrandizing behaviour won't let them admit they even might be wrong. So, as far as I'm concerned, they're on their own with this. I can't do anything for them. If I try, it'll only make matters worse.
Pride comes before the Fall...
Excellent post. Love this idea of a gentle approach to red-pilling over gloating and being negative. Your right, we ain't got that kinda time right now. Amen.
As a great neurologist once said to his students, some of whom were struggling with orthodoxy, "We have to do whatever it takes to get these people functioning,"
Yes, those naturally redpilled, good job. I needed some outside connectivity.
Great post, OP. Insightful and helpful. Thanks.
I agree with this and have thought of this as well. I was thinking of making signs that basically say "WAKE UP!!! You all got PLAYED!!!"
And yes I like this approach because it's TRUE - people can and DO make mistakes. Often it's their PRIDE that prevents them from admitting their mistakes - and pride helps no one.
I am so incredibly scared about the monoclonal antibody therapy for this very reason.
I got it two days ago because my heart rate wouldn’t come down, and my doctor—who normally doesn’t push these kinds of things—was worried. I trust her in everything except for this situation.
Please pray for me. I am so scared sotrovimab is going to screw me up for life because they don’t have phase IV trials out.
This entire situation has just been so confusing. I’m hoping I made an OK choice.