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[Extra Details in comments c/o Adam Klasfeld]
Previous Updates
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29 Nov https://greatawakening.win/p/140c066vhu/ghislaine-maxwell-case-updates/ https://archive.ph/UJvbk
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1 Dec https://greatawakening.win/p/140c4mlM5Q/ghislaine-maxwell-case-updates-d/ https://archive.md/kvjoj
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2 Dec https://greatawakening.win/p/140c9NlRh7/ghislaine-maxwell-case-updates-d/ https://archive.md/5iA5T
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3 Dec https://greatawakening.win/p/140c9UZGeQ/ghislaine-maxwell-case-updates-d/ https://archive.md/oaWCx
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6 Dec https://greatawakening.win/p/140cEEenfZ/ghislaine-maxwell-case-updates-d/ https://archive.md/c9JTx
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7 Dec https://greatawakening.win/p/140cIpe4Sk/ghislaine-maxwell-case-updates-d/ https://archive.md/GVLLE
Photos entered into evidence, public release: https://archive.md/R0iz6
1444GMT
Starting late due to juror with slow MTA subway, day after US announced it will or may rest its case this week.
Judge Nathan: We still have to wait for our juror who has substantial train issues. I'll step down off the bench.
Clerk: All rise!
Juror has arrived, 45 minutes late.
All rise!
Next witness: Janine Gill-Velez of Florida Property Management (that is, Mar-a-Lago).
Assistant US Attorney: How long have you worked at Mar-A-Lago?
Gill-Velez: 15 years.
AUSA: So this is exhibit 823-r, redacted [for the public]. It's a personal action notice, the hiring of Sky Roberts in April 2000. [That is what the US wanted to establish, the hiring of Sky Roberts. So now, cross-exam]
Maxwell's lawyer Bobbi Sternheim: But you have no personal knowledge of the hiring, correct?
Gill: Correct.
Sternheim: No further questions.
1525GMT
Judge Nathan: Next witness, "Shawn."
Judge Nathan: This witness will testify only as Shawn, to protect anonymity of previous witness [Carolyn]. No exact likeness in drawing.
Witness: I'm S-H-A-W-N. That sealed exhibit has my full name.
AUSA: How old are you?
Shawn: 38. Some college. I'm a salesman.
AUSA: What was the first name of your girlfriend?
Shawn: Carolyn. She was 14, I was 17. We dated four or five years. She worked at Arby's, and she worked for Jeffrey Epstein.
AUSA: How did she meet Epstein?
Shawn: Through Virginia Roberts.
AUSA: What's the difference between Palm Beach & West Palm Beach?
Shawn: Money --
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection!
Judge Nathan: Sustained.
AUSA Maurene Comey: Did you go to Palm Beach much?
Shawn: No. I didn't have enough money to buy anything in the gas station there
AUSA: How long did Carolyn stay in Jeffrey's house?
Shawn: An hour. Or an hour and five minutes.
AUSA: How were the session set up?
Shawn: They would call my phone: Sarah and a lady with a foreign accent. One was English and one almost French.
AUSA Comey: Did Carolyn mention anyone else?
Shawn: Maxwell. She couldn't pronounce the first name.
AUSA: Did she get a gift?
Shawn: From FedEx. Lingerie and a movie. From New York.
AUSA: Did you go to Epstein's with anyone else?
Shawn: Melissa and Amanda Laslow
AUSA: How old was Amanda when you saw her go to Epstein's house?
Shawn: 15.
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection!
AUSA: How old was Melissa when she went to Epstein's house?
Shawn: 16. She came out with hundred dollar bills.
AUSA: Were you arrested in Louisiana?
Shawn: Yes, possession of meth. And felon in possession of a firearm. Now I'm a salesman.
1552GMT
Now cross examination by Maxwell's lawyer Jeff Pagliuca
Pagliuca: Shawn, you went to Epstein's house in 2002, correct?
Shawn: Yes.
Pagliuca: And it was Sarah who called you and gave you her name, right?
Shawn: Correct.
Pagliuca: You met the government, for example in July 2022, and said the accent was French.
Shawn: It was foreign.
1605GMT
Next witness: Nicole Hesse, worked at Epstein's and Maxwell's Palm Beach home in 2003.
AUSA Moe: What was your job?
Mrs. Hesse: Take care of the home. I was hired by Ghislaine Maxwell.
Judge Nathan: I'll give the jurors their morning break.
1618GMT
Recess
1703GMT
Jury finally back & US introduced exhibits - under seal.
AUSA: In this sealed exhibit, do you see that Carolyn called Epstein's house?
A: I do.
AUSA: Now that we're looking at this [sealed] Government Exhibit, it says "Carolyn," right?
A: Right.
Next witness is Epstein's second pilot, Mister Rodgers.
AUSA: Who did you work for until 2019?
Rodgers: Jeffrey Epstein. As a pilot, since 1999. I was hired in Columbus, Ohio.
Rodgers: We mostly flew between his houses. From 1991 he had a smaller plane, then a Gulfstream. Then a Cesna 421 followed by the Boeing 727...
AUSA: On the Gulfstream, what divider was there?
Rodgers: A door, always closed.
Rodgers: I kept a log book. Including passenger names.
AUSA: We offer the log book - as a sealed exhibit.
NOTE: Rodgers' log book, as shown on the screen, has the entire column of passenger named redacted or blacked out.
Press question: Is there really a reasonable expectation of privacy for flying on the private jet of a pedophile?
AUSA: How did you find out the names of the passengers?
Rodgers: Sometimes we'd be told.
AUSA: Would you always know?
Rodgers: No.
Rodgers: We were flying to Traverse City, Michigan.
Judge Nathan: We'll take our lunch break now.
1758GMT
Recess
1916GMT
Jury's set to come back in, Ghislaine Maxwell in red sweater sidled over to whisper in lawyer's ear. FINALLY, jury back in their chairs.
AUSA: Mr. Rodgers, please turn in your binder to GX 12. Without saying the name out loud, is that the name of a passenger on Mr. Epstein's plane?
Rogers: Yes.
AUSA: Let's look back at sealed exhibit 662, at page 44. Flight number 916... Who drove passengers to the plane in Palm Beach?
Rodgers: Juan Alessi.
AUSA: And this flight?
Rodgers: From Palm Beach to New Jersey. Jane was on the flight. By first name.
AUSA: Are there others on the flight?
Rodgers: Yes.
AUSA: Let's move to another flight. [Who else was on not disclosed, nor asked on direct]
AUSA: Flight 818.
Rodgers: Van Nuys CA to Santa Fe NM, only Jeffrey on the flight.
AUSA: How many times do you remember Virginia Roberts flying on Jeffrey Epstein's planes?
Rodgers: Thirty two (32) times.
AUSA: This flight to St. Thomas - were Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Virginia Roberts passengers??
Rodgers: Yes.
AUSA: And was there one other person on the flight?
Rodgers: Yes.
AUSA: Let's move to another flight [The additional passenger UNdisclosed]
AUSA: And this flight?
Rodgers: From Spain to Tangier, Morocco. [Epstein and Maxwell on the flight]
1955GMT
Now cross examination of pilot David Rodgers.
Maxwell's lawyer: Sometimes the cockpit door would be open and you could see the passengers, right?
Rodgers: Correct.
Maxwell's lawyer: And you did that sometimes, yes?
Rodgers: Yes.
Maxwell's lawyer: You never found in the cabin any sex toys or used condoms, right?
Rodgers: No I did not.
Maxwell's lawyer: Isn't it common to own private planes through companies, one company per plane to limit liability, right?
Rodgers: Yes.
Judge Nathan: Let's take our mid afternoon break.
[What is being accomplished by this cross examination?]
2029GMT
Recess
2052GMT
They're back, with Maxwell's lawyer Everdell still flaying around on cross examination.
Everdell: Mr. Rodgers, you know the real name of Jane, don't you?
Judge Nathan: Without saying it.
Rodgers: Yes.
Everdell: But Epstein had an assistant with the same first name as Jane's real first name, didn't he?
Rodgers: Yes. [Note: This is another way of outing or doxing]
Everdell: And Eva Dubin was on this flight, and her husband is a hedge fund manager who was an Epstein client?
Rodgers: I don't know.
Everdell: So these trips to Columbus, Ohio, that's where Leslie Wexner lives, right, the owner of The Limited?
Rodgers: Yes.
Everdell: And Mr. Wexner is a billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein's client?
Rodgers: Yes.
Everdell: And you never saw Annie Farmer in your planes, or your logs?
Rodgers: I did not.
Everdell (after a time): I though it was later than it is.
Judge Nathan: It just feels that way.
Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: Now Mr. Visoski --
Judge Nathan: It's Mr. Rodgers.
Everdell: [Uncomfortable laugh]
2200GMT
Now at the end, more on scheduling.
Judge Nathan: I would prefer to not do the charging conference Friday (in 9 days) in case you don't have a case going that day... Given the expedition of the Government's case, maybe we can use Friday for charging.
Judge Nathan: I'm comfortable letting the defense begin its case on Thursday (in 8 days). The result may be that the jury has (this) Friday off as well.
[Things are moving FAST...]
Court Adjourned
Thank you for doing this.
Agree !
Total shitshow though! THank you but damn! :(((
[Extra details c/o Adam Klasfeld]
A rush of new photographs of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were just made public. They were introduced into evidence yesterday during testimony of images recovered from the 2019 raid on Epstein's NY home.
Judge Nathan is about to rule on her limiting instruction as to Ghislaine Maxwell's last accuser, who says that Epstein made sexual contact with her in New Mexico.
The judge will tell jurors that was “not ‘illegal sexual activity’ as the government charged in the indictment.” This is a less sweeping instruction than provided for the accuser known as "Kate," whom the judge told the jury was not a victim of the crimes charged.
Unlike "Kate," the judge says: "This is an alleged victim of the crimes charged in the indictment." "Kate" was 17 at the the time, above the age of consent in the relevant jurisdictions.
This witness, Annie, was 16 at the time—the age of consent in New Mexico, but prosecutors say she was groomed in other jurisdictions. The government wants to call a witness to authenticate records at Mar-a-Lago related to Virginia Roberts (now known as Virginia Giuffre).
Maxwell's defense is trying to keep it out. Judge Nathan just said that they are waiting for a juror who encountered substantial train delay issues today.
(Anecdotal corroboration: NYC subways were something of a mess last night and this morning.) The jury is in and trial has begun for the day.
First witness: a human resources staffer at Mar-a-Lago, who has worked there for almost 15 years. The prosecutor is asking about personnel action notices, before turning the witness's attention to a binder of that evidence. The jury is viewing the Personnel Action Notice for Sky Roberts. Dated April 11, 2000, the notice turns the attention to the field "father of child."
(Not displayed but previously known: He's the father of Virginia Roberts, now known as Virginia Giuffre.) The next witness is testifying under the name Shawn. Shawn testifies that she was 14 when he first started dating Carolyn. He was 17.
"She only had two jobs ever. She worked at Arby's, and she worked for Jeffrey [Epstein]," he says. He corroborates Carolyn's account of an introduction through Virginia Roberts. Shawn says he was present when Roberts told Carolyn she could make money by giving Epstein massages. Asked Carolyn's response, Shawn says: "She was excited to make money."
Q: What's the difference between Palm Beach and West Palm Beach?
A: Money is no object out there.
(Objection)
(Sustained)
Q: Did you ever go inside Jeffrey Epstein's home?
A: No, ma'am.
But he says he saw it from the outside. Shawn recalls Carolyn mentioning the woman's name "Maxwell." Just like Carolyn said yesterday, he says she couldn't pronounce her first name.
Q: How did you know Amanda and Melissa? (Note: He doesn't spell the names, which may vary.)
Shawn says he was dating them at the same time he was dating Carolyn. Shawn testifies that he saw Carolyn and Melissa enter Epstein's house and return with money in $100 bills. Shawn acknowledges that he was using drugs at the time and was arrested for methamphetamine and being a convicted felon in possession of a weapon.
Perhaps anticipating cross-examination, prosecutor elicits that testimony at the end of her questioning. I'll revisit cross-examination later. I had to turn my attention.
Next witness: Nicole Hesse, a teacher who works with young children.
She says she worked at Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach house. She refers to it as the Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell home. Maxwell and Epstein weren't home when she was there, Hesse says. She appears to be called to authenticate messages on message pads.
Q: Is your signature on all three of those books?
A: Yes, it is?
She said that she would jot down the time when people called and leaving messages. Prosecutor moves to enter exhibits into evidence, including sealed exhibits. Maxwell's lawyer objects on hearsay grounds for certain exhibits. 15 minute recess to sort this out.
Recess
We're back, and the government is introducing exhibits about three of the messages Hesse is being asked to authenticate.
Q: What's the date of that message?
A: 8/12/04
It's a message from Carolyn, the witness says. (The same first name as one of Maxwell's accusers.) Maxwell's lawyer is now cross examining the witness.
Asked about her knowledge about women visiting Epstein home, she answers: "Yes, that there were women who came for massages."
She adds that she was "not there to see it." Hesse is asked about messages for Mr. "JE." Other messages state "Jeffrey," "Sarah," and Mr. "JE," the witness confirms.
Next witness: David Rodgers, the "chief pilot" for Jeffrey Epstein for more than a decade. Hired July 1991.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Maurene Comey, the daughter of ex-FBI director James Comey. Rodgers hired Larry Visoski
Just like Visoski testified, Rodgers says of Maxwell: "She would be No. 2" — just under Epstein. Asked about the nature of Epstein and Maxwell's relationship:
"Early on, they were romantically involved," Rodgers testifies, adding that later, they weren't. Rodgers' testimony turns to the passenger manifest. He says he also kept a personal logbook.
Q: What's a log book?
A: "It just shows you the day you flew, the destination you went to," the time, etc. The government enters a sealed and a public version of an exhibit, with the sealing to protect witnesses.
Rodgers describes flights to Teterboro, N.J., which he presumed to be a stop for Epstein to go to his Manhattan townhouse. The witness said that Epstein, Maxwell and two other passengers—whose names aren't disclosed publicly—were on this flight. Rodgers is testifying about flights to Traverse City, Mich., the closest airport to the Interlochen academy. That's where "Jane" says she met Maxwell and Epstein. The witness recalls traveling there between 1991 to 1998.
Recess
[Service advisory: Because I'll be physically in the courtroom this afternoon, I will not be live-tweeting those proceedings, but I'll continue to report on them. So will dozens of hard-working reporters from around the world. There are other areas of the courthouse where proceedings have been streamed and credentialed reporters can live-tweet.]
The judge has made a point to note that there are regularly seats available inside the court's overflow rooms to observe the public trial.
On an afternoon recess:
Epstein's ex-chief pilot Rodgers remains on the stand and is now being questioned by Maxwell's attorney.
Like Epstein's other pilot Visoski, Rodgers insists he never saw sexual activity on the planes or anyone who appeared to be unaccompanied minors. Drawing from his log book, Rodgers recalled Virginia Roberts on the plane about 32 times.
"Jane" several times, too, including on flights to the airport closest to Interlochen — the academy where "Jane" says she met Epstein and Maxwell.
[Service note: Heading back to court—Will return later.]
Klasfeld Reports retweets Julie K. Brown:
" NEW: 1. Ghislaine Maxwell flew as a passenger the first flight on Jeffrey Epstein’s newly purchased plane in 7/1991 — meaning she knew the financier at least 4 months before her father — Robert Maxwell — died.
David Rodgers, Epstein’s first chief pilot, took witness stand in Ghislaine Maxwell trial, pricing new flight logs which were heavily redacted — “to protect third parties” — prosecutors said
Judge Alison Nathan noted that the logs appeared “overly redacted” and asked prosecutors to review redactions and produce new logs that are not as redacted. "
ghislaine is a bit of a cunt
That she is
Lmao
Absolutely true.
Holy shit!
NOT MISTER ROGERS
Thanks for the comic break. But still, why arent these people fully extracted for infos and swinging from a rope? Q, I want the ending now! YEAERRRGH
What right do third parties have to have their names redacted to protect them? If they were on the planes, they were somehow involved, wittingly or unwittingly in crimes. Why haven’t they been called to testify. This entire trial is going to turn out to be a farce. Yet another waste of taxpayer money. Ghislane will get a slap on the wrist, at best, and go to a country club prison. At worst there will be a mistrial or “community service” because the crooked protect their own. The judges, D.A.’s and attorneys are bought and paid for. This is a high level crime, but everything is redacted from the public to protect pedophiles, all of which are moneyed people. The jury isn’t even sequestered.
Dont count on that quite yet