This thread is causing anguish to some while resonating with a lot more people.
I humbly request people who want to respond to this to read this fully.
I will start off saying that while OP (u/GoingCamaro) raises very valid point about this movement being a worldwide movement and when the Awakening happens a lot of people will be in deep shock because their world view is black and white just like a lot of normies.
However, I do believe this post would have better resonated with everyone if it acknowledged and empathised with the fact that white people have been targeted and demonised and "racism" has been weaponised for way too long.
I also believe that those people getting triggered by this post are not necessarily racist. Infact, I would go so far as to say most are not racists. I think the real triggering aspect is the fact that the entire mainstream has been against them for so long and this post happens to call out white people wanting to isolate themselves very specifically.
OP has pointed out very well that a lot of problems such as higher crime rate in ethnic communities are actually caused by the Cabal and these communities are in fact victims of the Cabal as well. I agree with this wholeheartedly. We have to always see who the real enemy is, and the tools used by enemy are not our enemy. They are our brothers and sisters who hopefully will Awaken soon.
However, OP specifically called out white people wanting to isolate themselves into their own community, equating it to racism - without similarly acknowledging that this is caused by the Cabal as well, and they are as much the victims of Cabal's divide and conquer as the ethnic communities we talked about before. I think this was a great omission causing a lot of heartache.
As a person of color who has experienced racism in 3 continents myself, I have no hesitation in saying racism is much like "Qanon" a divisive term coined by the media that serves no real purpose.
What most people refer to as "racism" is actually "racial prejudice" - and it's a very natural thing, because we evolved as tribal beings. Most of the times just being exposed to interactions with members of different "races" is enough to take away the prejudices. Some prejudices cannot be helped. I myself has prejudices against my own race and I work hard to ensure I don't perpetuate the very same myself.
Does racial prejudice justify anyone from hurting any person based on their skin color? Absolutely not. However, is it a crime to think of different set of people differently? No, it's natural and is reflected by the sum total of our experiences. I always keep wishing that people of my own race behave themselves better setting up a better stereotype as more people interact with them.
Also, let me be clear - I respect the choices of any people wanting to isolate themselves, its part of freedom of expression, as long as they dont hurt or needlessly allow others to be hurt. I would love them the same as I love any other human being in this world, and I understand why sometimes communities thrive when there is a common cultural foundation.
I guarantee that most people who want to isolate themselves would actually prefer to be with others who share their world views regardless of their skin color, especially post Awakening, once the divisive effects of the Cabal is removed from the equation.
I sincerely thank GoingCamaro for creating that thread and appreciate their intention, even though the execution could have been better ;)
I am going to lock that thread since I think it has run its course.
WWG1WGA
Thanks for the reply.
"as it would be true if we were talking about two sides of a flawed perspective of human wisdom, but the Bible doesn't claim to be that."
No, but YOU claim that your grasp of the scripture IS not flawed, and is not less than perfect. Despite the fact that the Bible itself is inspired by God, you also have a responsibility and role in HOW you understand it. If you don't have the humility or ability to recognize that, you've missed the point. Even Paul states VERY clearly that he saw only dimly, as in a mirror.
How many Christians through out history have acted based on their interpretation of the Bible, and done horrendous things? Therefore, unless we have the humility to recognize that what we CHOOSE to believe about the scripture is the choice no one can avoid, we miss the point. We focus on dogma, justifying it as 'true' because scripture says so, instead of realizing in humility that scripture is a guide, and that we ourselves must grow and develop our understanding of it.
"Divinely inspired human writings". Indeed. So why can not God inspire other human writings? Answer: He can. Of course he can. But even God is limited by the capacity of the instrument. Or otherwise, why did not God reveal through Moses the higher understanding that Jesus brought? I'll tell you why. Because Moses and the prophets were not at the level of spiritual growth that Jesus had.
The New testament, while written by men, is what it is because those men and authors were able to inherit the foundation of Jesus. BUt even Jesus stated, very clearly, "I have many things to teach you, but you cannot bear them now".
What if one of the things Jesus has to teach us is how the jigsaw puzzle of the world's religions inspired by God come together with Christ as the centerpiece? If it is, you'll never know it because you've chosen to block any other view of the truth out based on your own flawed view.
You cannot teach Highschool Geometry to a kid from elementary school. You cannot teach Post-graduate physics to a second year junior high school student.
I have studied other religions. As I say, the teachings are far, far more in common than not. The core teachings are very very similar. However, They cannot and do not reach the level of Christian understanding BECAUSE they do not have Jesus' foundation. Obviously.
You cannot blame a goat for not being a cow. A cow is a cow and a goat is a goat. They both can deliver milk.
Moreover, the different faiths each had different missions. Of course they do not point people towards Jesus! (Even the old testament did NOT point people towards Jesus himself, but to the Messiah, the Christ. The problem was that the Jewish leaders and people at the at time did not realize or recognize that Jesus is Christ.)
But if all the people in the world were barbaric Moloch worshippers, how far would Jesus' teaching have gone? The truth is, there were numerous religious reformations established around the world approximately 400 years before the advent of Christ, as was also the case in Israel, through the final prophet Malachi.
We cannot deny that the mission of the Chosen people was taken from the Israelites and given to the Christians. Parable of the vineyard shows this 100%. So what would have happened IF Israel had received Jesus instead? His teachings would have spread to the entire world very quickly, because different landing pads were prepared in different parts of the world.
Not very familiar with Talmudic Judaism, and I suspect your own view is highly prejudiced, so I cannot comment except to say that Judaism failed in its mission to accept Christ and fulfill the mission of the chosen people, the very reason God had established them. But we include the Old Testament in the scripture BECAUSE it is foundational to Jesus advent and teaching.
Islam acknowledges Jesus as a holy man, but does not have the core teaching and understanding of the Christ, the 2nd Adam. I mean, der. Of course! If it did, it would be Christianity! But many of the teachings in Islam were a massive improvement over what existed there before in the Arab world.
Why does Christ return? To save the world. Who murdered Jesus when he came? the VERY people who God had prepared for thousands of years to receive him. Only a few Hebrews received Jesus. 72 disciples is not that many.
Christians are very much in danger of failing to fulfill their mission in the very same way, if they do not learn the lessons from Israel, and what caused them to fail. Arrogance was the start. Inflexible, unable to grasp the new way of understanding that Jesus brought. He brought the upgrade to the 2000 years of Hebrew teaching and history, and they failed to receive it because they clung to their limited view.
Any Christian who is unable to realize how God has been working and who only clings to their limited arrogant view is very liable to be one who rejects Christ when He returns, and whom Jesus predicted he himself would reject. Matt 7:21
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
So, what is the will of the Father in Heaven?
Also, note: Jesus says MANY. Not "a few"
We are called to use our upgraded understanding of Truth through Jesus to understand HOW to discern between what is true and what is not true. We cannot grasp clearly what is NOT true about the teachings in other faiths unless we can see clearly what IS true in their teachings.
Mercy, kindness, service to others, sacrifice - these are taught by ALL the great faiths. Righteousness, etc. The standards vary depending on their culture and level, but these points are common.
If you, as a Christian, are unable to recognize this, what chance to people of OTHER faiths have to recognize the superiority of Christ's teachings? They shall know my disciples by their love.
It's more than that. Christianity is the only belief system that focuses on rebirth through God's own son.
But that, dear friend, is the entire point. That IS what makes Christianity unique. It's so arrogant and illogical to say, other religions are 100% wrong because they are NOT Christianity.
Basically, its like saying, if someone is NOT a Christian, they have no value, no connection to God, and God does not love them. They don't know anything.
I find this viewpoint to be narrow in the extreme. Salvation comes through a relationship with Christ, NOT through Christian dogma.
Anyway, that's my view.
May God guide us both.
I made no claim to my own perspective on all of scripture, not sure where that accusation comes from. Only that the Bible is God's word and no other "holy book" comes close. Reading them is so vastly different and full of direct contradictions. The core message of the NT is Jesus is the need for redemption through solely Jesus, which is outlined in passages such as John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and Luke 13:22-28
23 And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."
It is narrow, Jesus tells us directly so. Talmudic Judaism and Islam explicitly reject this view. They do not accept Jesus as savior. It is important to understand this point or you will be deceived by many such as the current Pope who are pushing for a one world religion that rejects Jesus as the only way. You don't have to like it because it doesn't seem "nice" to not have these religions build into one, but the Truth is the truth. I believe the OT is included in that Truth.
You need to ask yourself, why did these lesser, explicitly contradictory religions come after Jesus? It contradicts your recognition of a developing spiritual maturity, theirs is a regressive one.
Many Arabs were Christians before Muslims came in any slaughtered many of them, stole their wives as sex slaves, and forced the remainder of them into submission. This is not from external sources! This is from their own Hadith!
You need to spend more time in the Bible and other primary sources (the Qur'an and Hadith) and less time on esoteric websites that fail to grasp the common description of the text. The Bible says in Acts over 400 people received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost in one day, that is far more than 72.
I do not deny that some of the other faiths teach virtues...but those are first and foremost found in the revelations of the OT prophets, Jesus, and His disciples. There is nothing new that is true in the other faiths... It is not that they are 100% all lies, it is that the important points are lies. They are distractions used by the adversary to lead people down a wrong path of personal atonement that is impossible. Only Jesus can save.
Thank you for a decent conversation. We disagree on some major points, but I think we do not disagree on the key one:
That salvation is through Christ.
I do have a personal objection to the "only Christianity is from God" viewpoint, because I think that it denies God's work in so much of humanity, and fails to recognize that God's love is greater than doctrine.
More importantly, because I see this perspective as violating Jesus ' heart and efforts for the salvation of humanity, and as a roadblock to accomplishment of God's will.
I also believe that your focus on contradictions is a result of your desire to justify your faith in Scripture, as "the only way". I never stated, nor do I believe, that there are not contradictions. Of course there are! But the resolution of those contradictions requires rising to a higher level wherein one can see the fingerprint of God in all works, and thereby sift out the fake and false content.
You focus on the lies, as if that brings you closer to the truth, but it seems to me that this is a justification for faith that is less than mature, and less able to stand in its own right.
But that's my view. I'm quite grateful that we've been able to engage and share, without rancour.
It is my belief that all who seek and love Christ sincerely will one day arrive at a place of common understanding, where the contradiction in the world and in doctrine are no longer relevant, but where the presence of the Father is so overwhelming that our need or desire to focus on the differences and/or contradictions is organically removed from the experience of love in His Grace.
Until that day, I push on.
A blessing on your brother (sister?) for your sincere heart.
On the decent conversation, sure thing!
My faith stands firm on its own merits and belief through the working of the Holy Spirit in my life. I have been a Christian for a very long time.
I focused on the contradictions and falsehoods in other religions because you presented that there is merit in them and that Jesus provides a kind of universal salvation. I do not believe that and I am instructed to beware of false prophets by Jesus in Matthew 24:11.
I go by the standard that God instructs in Deuteronomy 18:21-22 21 “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared."
The Qur'an and Hadiths for me are unquestionably an evil book and commentary. It requires the subjugation of non Muslims. It commands husbands to beat their wives. The hadith say the end will not come until every Jew is killed. And so on for many more reasons. I pray for them that they will see the Truth. Many have already awoken to it by Jesus visiting them in dreams and visions. Ask them to pray to the God of Adam, Abraham, and Jesus to reveal who He is.
My study of other religions is primarily to engage in apologetics with believers of those religions. I do not wish for anyone to reject Jesus or at least not accept Him because they believe in universal salvation or something similar is enough. Passages like Romans 5 are quite clear on this issue to me. Since I believe in the narrow door, I cannot in good conscience let it go unsaid that Jesus is the only way. Whether people accept that is up to them and God.
Thanks again.
Well stated.
Are there things in the Old Testament that you think no longer apply to reborn Christians? Just curious.
We share no disagreement that Jesus is the only way. But we're different in that I see God working as well outside Christianity to bring people to Christ. My belief is that all true religions have a common mission, to reconnect God's children and eventually facilitate them coming to Christ.
Just as the teachings of the old testament were foundational, and then are consummated in Jesus, to me it makes more sense to understand other faiths (religions) and engage with them by affirming the value, the work of God, in order to raise them and bring them to Jesus.
Your point about not wanting any to reject or not accept Jesus is interesting, and I agree with the sentiment or motive here.
Be well.
PS. I see you are new here. What brought you to this place?
I've been lurking since right after the election results. I thought Q was really dumb for a long time but there were a lot of people talking about it including the media which I couldn't figure out. Used to 4chan just trolling. I looked into it once, rejected it, and then someone posted the ultimate q proofs video which convinced me at least that for better or worse there is a connection directly with Trump.
I started actually posting here when I had an insight about the Queen's death plan.