Might I recommend listening to the William Cooper "mystery Babylon" series...

The United States was founded by Freemasons who have interwoven Masonic symbols into American society, particularly in national seals, streets in Washington, D.C., architecture, and the dollar bill (indeed several Founding Fathers such as George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and James Monroe were Freemasons).

Washington was a patriot as were they all....however just like today there was another group of people doing their own thing and their goals at the time were about laying the ground work for a NWO and having the third rung of the NWO power structure set in place.

It will take some time for many to understand that the Adversary moves in slow incremental steps so as not to draw attention to their actions. The last couple years have forced them to accelerate their plan and as a result peoples eye's are starting to open.

But when you understand that much of what the deep state is started in the time of King Nimrod and has continued to this very day.

So America was formed by Patriots but as time goes by people who's names many have forgotten began the slide against our Constitutional government for their own end. A little chip here and there and a couple plausible nothing to see here's and so the story goes.

When you say Trump should have never been President if DS truly in power and for real. Consider this They expected to win 2016 and but something happened and Q quietly suggested that the DS's plans were foiled.

129 years to get the FED. Sounds about right when you also consider that the Cabalist work within a family structure I could see it taking over 100yrs to get some things in place, they are an extremely patient adversary.

And so here we are...

A lot of secret societies didn't start out as satanic/luciferian organizations, but were infiltrated and subverted over time. Just like the governments, churches, etc.

Well I don't think we understand at all how they work.

Probably most Masons think they are in a charitable organization, and only those approved get to the highest ranks.

So we have the Illuminati, the Masons, the CIA types, the Vatican, the Rothschild family (and others) the Church of Satan, and so on.

What is the structure? What is the hierarchy? We have no idea.

With the exception of Ben Franklin I think the founding fathers were really good guys.

This was a great experiment that the people have shown they can no longer handle. This was intended to be the first truly free country on earth but if you read Federalist papers etc they knew it required an educated involved populace that cared, and once This was gone it would end. So they created exactly what they meant to and we are seeing it taken away through the means they put in place

Go back to the Qpost “wizards and warlocks” I wish I could remember the post number, but it might bring a little more clarity. There are good and bad

why did they create the very system that allowed Trump to get to power and stop the great reset

why did they make the senate when the media is having to go through the trouble of advocating for abolishing it.

The "founding fathers" didn't create our form of government SO that Trump would be allowed to stop the Great Reset, nor did they create it SO that the media would have to go through the trouble of abolishing it. You are putting the Cart about 250 years in front of the Horse and suggesting causality.

There are probably factions within the Freemasons, just like there are factions in every other society, no matter how large or small.

The Founders could have made the entire thing unassailable if they had simply made statements of citizen sovereignty instead of making that statement implicitly, and then eliminating even that implied sovereignty in the Bill of Rights (see the eminent domain clause at the end of Article 5).

Our system of government is not so great as you think, even from the beginning. Nevertheless, I think that many of the original framers had good intentions, and their influence may even have been enough to secure eventual victory. But as it was set up, it was woefully inadequate, thus its quick decline into totalitarianism, begun in full earnest with the Civil War.

We could’ve just been a parliamentarian democracy that is infinitely easier to control.

We have been under complete and total control for almost the entire time. The idea of our "freedom" at any time was completely illusory.

The best slave is the one that believes that he is free --- Johann von Goethe (loosely translated)

As for the U.S. being a corporation, it both is and is not.

From United States v. Perkins

In addition to this, however, the United States are not one of the class of corporations intended by law to be exempt *631 from taxation. What the corporations are to which the exemption was intended to apply are indicated by the tax laws of New York, and are confined to those of a religious, educational, charitable or reformatory purpose. We think it was not intended to apply it to a purely political or governmental corporation like the United States

There are other court documents that state explicitly that the United States is a corporation. And of course it is. It is a sovereign entity (a variant of a legal person) that is not a natural person. The definition of a corporation (to make corporeal) is the creation of a legal person (sovereign or otherwise) out of a set of ideas.

I have seen no sound evidence that the constitution is authorized by any higher body (a "corporation" in the general sense). On the contrary, it states its own corporeal form (it is a document that self actualizes a legal body, in this case a sovereign body.) This is in contrast to what we think of as a corporation which is given its legal body status as a vassal to the State in which it is incorporated. The U.S. Government corporation eventually became (not long after its inception) our sovereign (and we its vassals) by the fuckery stated above, though I have not here elaborated that.

The confusion about the U.S. being a corporation (in the sense we think of it) is exacerbated by the fact that in 1871 Washington D.C. was made into a municipal corporation, incorporated as a city-state (also (I think) it's own sovereign body, i.e. self-actualized into a legal sovereign). This new legal body had the same exact system of government that the constitution provided for the U.S. except that its control was substantially increased, though it's domain was restricted to D.C.. The President of the U.S. is the CEO of that D.C. corporation. The Congress of the U.S. is the legislative body of that D.C. corporation, etc. This means that if a law is passed for D.C. corp legitimately, it could be mistaken as a law passed for U.S. as well. I don't know if that has happened, but it could happen.

Regardless, the situation is much more complex than "the founding fathers were Freemasons" and "all Freemasons are Illuminati" (for which there is no substantive evidence).

Thank you! Glad I'm not the only one that thinks this! It just doesn't add up.... Could some of the founding fathers have been illuminati in disguise? Perhaps. It wouldn't be a surprise.... But the fact that they outline IN THE CONSTITUTION that we have inalienable rights given to us by GOD makes me think they were God fearing, freedom loving patriots. "BuT TheY wErE FReEmaSoNs". Yeah so what, the freemasons could've been hijacked by the luciferians after the American revolution for all we know. It just doesn't add up for me either fren....