When Q said it was going to be Biblical, I don’t think of that primarily in terms of scale. I think of it in terms of prophecy being fulfilled. It leads me to believe we are living in time when that is happening, and that prophecies are right now being fulfilled in ways that are quite different from what people have been taught to believe about them. For example, no one could have reconciled the many prophecies about the Messiah until they looked back at them in hindsight, even though they thought they had it pretty well worked out at the time. The prophets said the Messiah would come from Egypt, from Nazareth, and from Bethlehem, and only after His advent did people understand how those three things fit together without creating a paradox. The powers that did be at the time completely rejected Him because He didn’t fit into the box they made from their interpretations of prophecy (the conquering hero), even though He was fulfilling prophecy by doing unprecedented miracles right in front of their eyes. The same sort of interpretive box-making is still going on today, in precious doctrines of men people think are the doctrines of God, and neither will they see it when prophecy begins to unfold all around them.
In light of all that, I think it would be good to consider how the following prophecies might relate to current events:
(Psalm 2: 1-6, NKJV) Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, “Let us break their bonds in pieces And cast away their cords from us.” He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure: “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”
(Isaiah 24:21-22, NKJV) It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth. They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished.
(Revelation 18:1-3) After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”
(Revelation 18:7-8, NKJV) In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.
I realize am presenting these scriptures out of context, to which some might rightly object; but even though I am a great fan of context, there is much that can be inferred in these sections of texts. I only present them here for consideration in light of world events and in light of what we know has been happening behind what we can see. We know what Babylon is. We know that God is taking it down. We know that the great ones of the earth have conspired to drive God out of the consciousness of mankind. We know they are facing punishment for their crimes. And, we know that God has already won the war before they ever picked up a sword.
Free note: In Psalm 2, “Yet I have set My King on my holy hill of Zion.” “My King,” is Jesus. Zion is the hill of King David’s city where the king’s palace was and where the Temple of God would be erected by his son. This is a metaphor declaring that God has complete and utter control in spite of whatever his enemies might plot against Him.
Isn't the rapture sort of unscriptural?
Have heard it said that it's Christian "wishful thinking" that some of the army of God will get pulled before the tribulation
Yes, it’s not actually in the Bible. Just something I grew up hearing a lot from my parents (and still do). And to be completely honest, I didn’t realize it wasn’t in the Bible - so thank you for that. Now I do believe that the Bible discusses a second coming of Christ.
Honestly, how accurate are the Bible’s we are reading nowadays? I do wonder if anything has been omitted or altered over the centuries.
^^^ This ^^^
Given the context of the Second Coming, there will be a resurrection of the righteous, followed by those left alive being "caught up" and transformed. Then a resurrection of the wicked after that.
No "Rapture", no second chances to be saved after His return. That's it, the wheat and chaff have been separated, no more "chances".
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Oh, LOTS is not in the Bible lol. I have many books of non canonical Bible books.
Bible does say there will be a 2nd coming. And Jesus does mention a couple things like "two will be working and one taken," but maybe thats where rapture is conflated from
No conflation.
Two will be working and one will be taken.
Two will be honking and none will be taken.
So God let's His Word get distorted so we have no accurate translation?...Doubtful.
“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” I Thessalonians 4:13-18 NKJV
But that's not the same as the rapture where people are left behind to my understanding
Only the dead "in Christ or Messiah" and believers (otherwise known as saints) will be "caught up". All non-believers will be left behind. Hence, the name of the movie Nicholas Cage was in.
This.
As a kid I remember being afraid it might happen before I got to do any of the fun stuff in life...
As an adult I'm like "any day now Lord would be GREAT."
yea, I knew I had enough when I was hoping, almost praying for benign aliens to come to earth and do a scorched earth sort of thing.
Trillions of people never heard of Jesus..but you think none of them go to heaven because they haven't got a ticket saying Jesus sent me? Do you think a loving God would do that? And if it was the other sort of God it wouldn't be a heaven I want to be in. Remember a lot got distorted by evilnpriests to keep you on side
You need to read about love..it's qualities and it's attributes.
You are only talking about this life...we have many lives....but you don't know about that because it was taken out to stop people learning a very important truth....know thyself....
You have no idea how that sentence sounds...if god wants.....
Many gods and humans who declared themselves god have existed...I don't think the god you talk about is one I want to spent time with..sounds like a petulant child
Kind of you to reply. I don't know who is telling you the bible hasn't changed.....tube Vatican ordered a clean up and when after much labour over many years Biglianos new bible didn't fit the popes agenda. However Bigliano has talked about his work.
Holy means whole...and if you read the definition of love in the Bible you will see the god they talk about ..this Jehova..a god who punishes...is jealous..an eye for an eye doesn't fit the description of someone whole...a vengeful angry god....
Nor do I understand that a god of love who had reached a state of wholeness would want any of his children ..as it says we are all sons of God.....to die a horrible death so others didn't have to do the work to become whole..as if anyone else but yourself can do the work. Jesus says in the gospels yea are all god's...in the lost gospels that were removed due to being too explicit Jesus says if thine I be single thy body shall be full of light....the pineal gland...
Now I have no idea if Jesus existed as a person or as just the latest sun god after mithras..a pagan religion......as everything is the same apart from the name...another who was the lamb of God died for ours sins rose again on the third day etc etc....a blood sacrifice demanded by a father ..for what? The meaning of sin is missing the mark..and yes you are right repent means change your attitude...
Mark passio is very good .. give him a watch.
That's always been my impression as well, though I'm not an expert on Revelations.
Well obviously, you put an S on the end. Just kidding with ya, it’s a common error.
The rapture is an eschatological ideal that was popularized by the Scofield reference Bible a couple of hundred years ago. It's not what Christians traditionally believed for thousands of years.
There is no rapture. In the end times it will be like in the days of Noah where the WICKED are swept away and those in Christ (our ark) are saved and the wicked are burnt like chaff from the wheat.
Here's a playlist I've put together with the 3 maim eschatological positions discussed and debated.
God wins. He doesn't hit a reset button.
God's fav Bible verse (appears more times than any other in scripture): "Sit at My right hand while I make ALL of Your enemies Your footstool" God the Father to Jesus