Any basic tutorial on how to look up addresses with nslookup, dig, or the equivalent tool via a webpage makes it easy to get addresses. The above is the 2nd address that is currently valid for ga.w besides the one you just posted - 104.21.71.144
Also, with regard to DNS attacks and domain seizures, there used to be backup domains for these sites.. I dont know if they are still valid and working and available for other .wins or if they are now retired or obsolete.
thedonald.win used to be additionally available via:
thedonald.xyz
thedonald.one
thedonald.space
These were set up before the patriots.win / thedonald.win DNS ownership hostilities, so maybe a similar thing was never setup for p.w.
Edit - auth.win also has a pair of IPs as well. Both of these are:
DNS is like have a Contact List. It's a service that saves all of your friends phone numbers to convenient names. So you can type in their name to find them instead of memorizing their phone number.
If you know your friends phone number you wouldn't need the contact list service.
That's how this works except the Contact List saves website names (like neopets.com) with IP Addresses (instead of phone numbers).
We think that their 'internet shutdown' will be a soft shutdown, only in the form of shutting down some of their DNS servers, sort of like ripping up a phonebook. People would type in google.com but there'd be no phonebook to get the correct IP address for that domain. This trick is like making your own phonebook.
For them to ACTUALLY FULLY take down the internet would be unfeasible according to what I've heard.
Correct, it's much easier to bring the internet down than people think. Some BGP routers disabled, coupled with a few select fiber lines and that would be that.
And back on the topic, DNS isn't the "internet", generally speaking, it's a tool to help humans -- it simply maps human readable names to IP addresses, yes some of us know there is more, but that is it's purpose in a nutshell. The internet and internal networks do not require DNS to function, it's all about the IP packets(TCP and UDP), a connection method(wire, fiber, radio wave) and some hardware addressing.
As with anything posted on this site, don't take everything here as gospel, do yourselves a little favor and engage in some reading up on the networking topic or watch a video. Even if you aren't a crusty old engineer, the high level view is pretty fascinating on how it all works, and the origination of why there is even an Internet today. Also read up on the history of unix/BSD/solaris/linux, and you will get a pretty decent idea of how your OS works, even shitty windows.
If the internet is down, it doesnt work. If the central DNS servers go down or are messed with, but the underlying network backbones and providers are still ok, it should however work to reach here and p.w
Your connection to the Internet is up, but servers on the Internet which allow you to find the greatawakening.win server at address 63.21.56.102 (for example) are down, so you have this local static mapping (which is included on all machines) that tells your system what the IP addresses are for specific domains. Every system checks this file before sending a request to a DNS server, so if the DNS servers are down this will allow you to still connect to some important sites.
They can't take out the whole Internet which consists of a physical infrastructure and nodes residing on that infrastructure. However, everyone needs DNS because they can't remember IP addresses, and DNS is sort of a weak point in the whole Internet architecture because it has no security and everything relies on it, plus most of the public servers are in the hands of corporate entities. If they simply deleted the entry for greatawakening.win from the server that originally hosts the DNS then nobody could reach the site without an IP address.
Que? Yeah all those addresses are owned by CF, thats the DDOS service they provide that proxies connections through to the actual servers that run here and p.w, that have their own addresses that are never seen by us.
But I can surely browse to the cloudflare IPs right now - and have done so by posting this reply.
Thanks for the info, I figure they are not known to be reliable without a definite statement on how they relate to the new patriots.win domain. And I assume you mean u/doggos who is the dev/mod guy - someone in the exact position to be authoritative.
And.. did a search on his recent comments and found the thread below on the exact topic of backup domains. Probably the one you were referencing. So yes, RIP for those backup domains, not working any longer.
Any basic tutorial on how to look up addresses with nslookup, dig, or the equivalent tool via a webpage makes it easy to get addresses. The above is the 2nd address that is currently valid for ga.w besides the one you just posted - 104.21.71.144
Also, with regard to DNS attacks and domain seizures, there used to be backup domains for these sites.. I dont know if they are still valid and working and available for other .wins or if they are now retired or obsolete.
thedonald.win used to be additionally available via:
These were set up before the patriots.win / thedonald.win DNS ownership hostilities, so maybe a similar thing was never setup for p.w.
Edit - auth.win also has a pair of IPs as well. Both of these are:
If the internet is down how does this work?
DNS is like have a Contact List. It's a service that saves all of your friends phone numbers to convenient names. So you can type in their name to find them instead of memorizing their phone number.
If you know your friends phone number you wouldn't need the contact list service.
That's how this works except the Contact List saves website names (like neopets.com) with IP Addresses (instead of phone numbers).
Excellent analogy
Thanks. I teach this stuff to young adults and have tons of them.
So the internet connectivity isn't taken out then? Just the servers?
That's what this prepares you for.
Disabling the entire copper infrastructure of a small country is nearly impossible let alone ours.
If they go down due to dns server then yes. Basically the network is still up but you can't connect through normal means without the IP address.
We think that their 'internet shutdown' will be a soft shutdown, only in the form of shutting down some of their DNS servers, sort of like ripping up a phonebook. People would type in google.com but there'd be no phonebook to get the correct IP address for that domain. This trick is like making your own phonebook.
For them to ACTUALLY FULLY take down the internet would be unfeasible according to what I've heard.
Not impossible. Think solar winds hack, backdoors in router hardware, killswitches
Correct, it's much easier to bring the internet down than people think. Some BGP routers disabled, coupled with a few select fiber lines and that would be that.
And back on the topic, DNS isn't the "internet", generally speaking, it's a tool to help humans -- it simply maps human readable names to IP addresses, yes some of us know there is more, but that is it's purpose in a nutshell. The internet and internal networks do not require DNS to function, it's all about the IP packets(TCP and UDP), a connection method(wire, fiber, radio wave) and some hardware addressing.
As with anything posted on this site, don't take everything here as gospel, do yourselves a little favor and engage in some reading up on the networking topic or watch a video. Even if you aren't a crusty old engineer, the high level view is pretty fascinating on how it all works, and the origination of why there is even an Internet today. Also read up on the history of unix/BSD/solaris/linux, and you will get a pretty decent idea of how your OS works, even shitty windows.
PS IPX/SPX sucks.
If the internet is down, it doesnt work. If the central DNS servers go down or are messed with, but the underlying network backbones and providers are still ok, it should however work to reach here and p.w
How do you know it's protected by Cloudflare? I've never seen a Cloudflare waiting screen.
Type the IP for GAW in the URL bar and see:-
172.67.145.123
Does not work.
Edit:- Maybe it will work with an edited hosts file but I have not tested it.
IF DNS goes down I am hoping Yandex DNS is up:- 77.88.8.8, 77.88.8.1
I have also archived locally many small, obscure DNS services.
Your connection to the Internet is up, but servers on the Internet which allow you to find the greatawakening.win server at address 63.21.56.102 (for example) are down, so you have this local static mapping (which is included on all machines) that tells your system what the IP addresses are for specific domains. Every system checks this file before sending a request to a DNS server, so if the DNS servers are down this will allow you to still connect to some important sites.
They can't take out the whole Internet which consists of a physical infrastructure and nodes residing on that infrastructure. However, everyone needs DNS because they can't remember IP addresses, and DNS is sort of a weak point in the whole Internet architecture because it has no security and everything relies on it, plus most of the public servers are in the hands of corporate entities. If they simply deleted the entry for greatawakening.win from the server that originally hosts the DNS then nobody could reach the site without an IP address.
Que? Yeah all those addresses are owned by CF, thats the DDOS service they provide that proxies connections through to the actual servers that run here and p.w, that have their own addresses that are never seen by us.
But I can surely browse to the cloudflare IPs right now - and have done so by posting this reply.
I do believe that u/doggos recently made a post about backup urls, and that the old backups are no longer valid unless otherwise stated.
Edit: had to correct an auto-correct That wasn’t correct.
Thanks for the info, I figure they are not known to be reliable without a definite statement on how they relate to the new patriots.win domain. And I assume you mean u/doggos who is the dev/mod guy - someone in the exact position to be authoritative.
And.. did a search on his recent comments and found the thread below on the exact topic of backup domains. Probably the one you were referencing. So yes, RIP for those backup domains, not working any longer.
https://patriots.win/p/142BALnujd/update-on-backup-domains/