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Since I wrote too much for you to deflect on and not address in the other post, I'll just leave this here for you to figure out how to dispel:
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Notice how that last one addresses the devil (singular) and then says they (plural) will be tormented forever and ever. Also notice how everyone not written in the book of life is cast in there. You gotta love how specific the Bible is for refuting bullshit like this.
Good luck with trying to bend the Bible to your own will, but God won't have it!
Read the whole book of revelations on that one bud, it is referring to the beast and the false prophet(antichrist) being thrown into the lake of fire. That is the “they”. Not once did you address anything I showed you as evidence, yet you sit and accuse me of having scales over my eyes…
I did address you, why aren’t you paying attention? People experience everlasting punishment in hell, as they are dead or perish, eternally. You’re not bringing any other point up besides the verses describing hell as death. No verse talks about “punishment in hell UNTIL death” or any variation of it, so you are literally injecting meaning in despite all of the contrary context.
Why don’t you address the “realm of the dead”, death/people being brought from it, and how that fits into your notion of “ceasing to exist after death” or “punishment until death”?
What happens when someone is thrown into the lake of fire?
Why is the word “everlasting” or “eternal” used when referencing the punishment in hell, rather than “until death”? It doesn’t sound “everlasting” or “eternal” in anyway at all if it only lasts until death, and isn’t eternal, it just sounds like being tortured to death, which happens here on earth too.
I don’t think the Bible could be any more clear. The punishment is everlasting. It doesn’t end. It’s literally the definition of everlasting and eternal. The punishment is like death, like fire that doesn’t burn up, like thirst that doesn’t quench, there will be gnashing of teeth, it is forever and ever. It is what true death is, like a second death. You really think ceasing to exist is punishment? Sinners would wish.
Why don’t you just listen to what the Bible says? It’s pretty obvious if you don’t inject whatever YOU want to believe into it.
How does one get eternal punishment without eternal life?
To make it really easy for you, life =/= existence in the Hebrew or Greek language. It has to do with the quality of your existence.
“Eternal life” is living as part of the body of Christ with God in heaven. “Eternal death” is being put behind him, receiving his wrath, being spiritually dead forever They’re both being used to describe what happens to you spiritually.
The Bible is clear on everyone being spiritually dead until salvation.
“And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world” ... “ But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ”
Notice how he doesn’t says we “deserved death” but “were dead.” So EVERYONE is dead until we are made alive together with Christ.
What do you think that means? Being made alive TOGETHER with Christ? Aren’t we all already alive according to you?
It’s a repeated concept:
“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses”
Again, he doesn’t say “and you, deserving death for your sins...”, he says “and you, BEING dead IN your sins...”
Lazarus was an example of how we are all dead and can do nothing for ourselves unless God calls on us to raise us to life. No man comes to the Father unless He calls him. That’s because we were all once dead and incapable of anything good. Do you want to be dead forever? I hate looking back on my dead self, I was completely without thought or care.