The orthodox church is no different than the catholic church, they disagree on maybe two things. But they both worship idols, confess to a priest, pray to saints, all the things the Bible says not to do.
Lol how ignorant. Orthodox church is very very different in so many ways. Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol. And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available. They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol. Those “maybe two things” are HUGE by the way. Transubstantiation for instance. Ya know, the difference between delusional dogma and a rite. Even if there were only differences they are quite large. The RCC has always been anti-science. The Orthodox church has never been anti-science.
Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol.
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available.
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (Apparently our boy doesn't know about this because preach never told him. I wonder why?)
They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol.
“ but the churches in the East were developing distinct cultural and theological differences from those in the West”
It is the west who reinvented the wheel and adopted different doctrines from the original church created by the apostles that were widespread throughout the entire Christian world. The RCC made it so priests could not be married, which was not an original practice Orthodox changed. Garbage rhetoric to fool the ignorant. Check your sources. Because they are trash.
Yes, a clown that presents himself as "dickallcocks" is calling me a troll. Could this be a catholic? Gee, I wonder.
Look, if you want to worship the antiChrist, that's your problem, not mine. I know the Bible, it couldn't be more clear. You don't know the bible, you are the beast's bitch and proud of it. I've fulfilled my duty here. Later.
You don’t confess TO the priest. The priest bears witness as you confess to God. You confess in the presence of the priest if you are so inclined. But mince words. It is also NOT required to confess to a priest in Orthodoxy, ever, and completely optional, and a practice, not a rite, because most people have a difficult time being honest to themselves let alone God. The purpose of the priest is to advise you or guide you to personal transformation if requested, which they cannot do without information. Being your brother’s keeper means holding each other accountable where you cannot hold yourself accountable and priests are intended to offer that service where yourself or others may fail. But mince words about a faith you don’t actually practice with someone who does like an ignorant fool.
Everything you say is a stretch. Seriously. Icons are not idols. Icons are symbolic, like letters, words, sentences and stories. They are an abstraction and representation to imperfectly communicate the meaning and purpose of the faith like all means of man’s communication. No one worships icons. They are a tool to worship God. No different than the book itself or prayer beads. Pictures are worth 1,000 words and setting is important to the orthodox faith, and icons create a setting which focus your mind on God instead of the material world.
It should be noted that the largest collection of icons in the world, on Mt Aethos are put away into storage and almost never seen again after being finished because the act of creating the icons themselves is a form of prayer no different than when monks wrote and illustrated bibles. They paint the icons as prayer and they are preserved in deep storage and almost never seen again. That is not worship. They are not praying to the icons, they are praying to God as they make them as they do when they bake bread or candles or write texts.
An icon is no different than a cross for lay people. Is the cross idol worship? No.
Sadly you can quote text, but do not fully understand it beyond cherry-picking for selfish purposes.
First off let me just state that ALL religions are man made. And thus they are full of sin. Only God is pure.
What is important is your relationship with God. How you practice is up to you. I look upon my Catholic Church as a community of people who were raised in similar beliefs. I go for the communal spirit and the opportunity to administer to others.
Boy do people get this wrong.! We do NOT worship saints nor any statutes. We ask saints to intercede for us.
God works through them. As he does through a priest when one goes to confession.
We also pray directly to God/Jesus. And we believe in the Holy Trinity which some religions do not.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
Oh and Just so ya know many of us also do not LIKE Pope Francis.
If you are the Temple of God and Jesus Christ is in you, why do you need intercession?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ.
Christ's Work of redemption is finished, His Blood was only required once to pay all of the debts of sin. The Bible is quite clear on this. And it's just common sense. If a priest is required to cause this "transubwhatever" and you are required to do it every week, what outcome is obvious? Church business, filthy lucre.
Another little Biblical truth, believers in Jesus Christ are kings and priests already. What do we need priests for?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church slit the throats of those who chose not to believe that once they obtained a copy of the Bible in their native tongues and heard the Word of God for themselves.
The Bible says there was one sacrifice for sins that ended all sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:11-13
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Meanwhile the Catholic theologians attack the Reformers for daring to believe the Word of God and assuming they had to toss out Roman Catholic tradition whenever they found a conflict.
By making these assumptions, Luther, Calvin and Zwingli totally rejected the sacrificial character of Mass, the Roman Canon, the so-called "Private Mass" and the application of Masses for the living and the dead.
The orthodox church is no different than the catholic church, they disagree on maybe two things. But they both worship idols, confess to a priest, pray to saints, all the things the Bible says not to do.
Lol how ignorant. Orthodox church is very very different in so many ways. Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol. And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available. They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol. Those “maybe two things” are HUGE by the way. Transubstantiation for instance. Ya know, the difference between delusional dogma and a rite. Even if there were only differences they are quite large. The RCC has always been anti-science. The Orthodox church has never been anti-science.
Lol how ignorant. Orthodox church is very very different in so many ways.
https://www.learnreligions.com/the-great-schism-of-1054-4691893
Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol.
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available.
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (Apparently our boy doesn't know about this because preach never told him. I wonder why?)
They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol.
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What a garbage source
“ but the churches in the East were developing distinct cultural and theological differences from those in the West”
It is the west who reinvented the wheel and adopted different doctrines from the original church created by the apostles that were widespread throughout the entire Christian world. The RCC made it so priests could not be married, which was not an original practice Orthodox changed. Garbage rhetoric to fool the ignorant. Check your sources. Because they are trash.
You’re just a dumb troll.
You’re just a dumb troll.
Yes, a clown that presents himself as "dickallcocks" is calling me a troll. Could this be a catholic? Gee, I wonder.
Look, if you want to worship the antiChrist, that's your problem, not mine. I know the Bible, it couldn't be more clear. You don't know the bible, you are the beast's bitch and proud of it. I've fulfilled my duty here. Later.
You don’t confess TO the priest. The priest bears witness as you confess to God. You confess in the presence of the priest if you are so inclined. But mince words. It is also NOT required to confess to a priest in Orthodoxy, ever, and completely optional, and a practice, not a rite, because most people have a difficult time being honest to themselves let alone God. The purpose of the priest is to advise you or guide you to personal transformation if requested, which they cannot do without information. Being your brother’s keeper means holding each other accountable where you cannot hold yourself accountable and priests are intended to offer that service where yourself or others may fail. But mince words about a faith you don’t actually practice with someone who does like an ignorant fool.
Everything you say is a stretch. Seriously. Icons are not idols. Icons are symbolic, like letters, words, sentences and stories. They are an abstraction and representation to imperfectly communicate the meaning and purpose of the faith like all means of man’s communication. No one worships icons. They are a tool to worship God. No different than the book itself or prayer beads. Pictures are worth 1,000 words and setting is important to the orthodox faith, and icons create a setting which focus your mind on God instead of the material world.
It should be noted that the largest collection of icons in the world, on Mt Aethos are put away into storage and almost never seen again after being finished because the act of creating the icons themselves is a form of prayer no different than when monks wrote and illustrated bibles. They paint the icons as prayer and they are preserved in deep storage and almost never seen again. That is not worship. They are not praying to the icons, they are praying to God as they make them as they do when they bake bread or candles or write texts.
An icon is no different than a cross for lay people. Is the cross idol worship? No.
Sadly you can quote text, but do not fully understand it beyond cherry-picking for selfish purposes.
This is bill clinton type BS. Am I surprised?
First off let me just state that ALL religions are man made. And thus they are full of sin. Only God is pure.
What is important is your relationship with God. How you practice is up to you. I look upon my Catholic Church as a community of people who were raised in similar beliefs. I go for the communal spirit and the opportunity to administer to others.
Boy do people get this wrong.! We do NOT worship saints nor any statutes. We ask saints to intercede for us.
God works through them. As he does through a priest when one goes to confession.
We also pray directly to God/Jesus. And we believe in the Holy Trinity which some religions do not.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
Oh and Just so ya know many of us also do not LIKE Pope Francis.
We ask saints to intercede for us.
If you are the Temple of God and Jesus Christ is in you, why do you need intercession?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ.
Christ's Work of redemption is finished, His Blood was only required once to pay all of the debts of sin. The Bible is quite clear on this. And it's just common sense. If a priest is required to cause this "transubwhatever" and you are required to do it every week, what outcome is obvious? Church business, filthy lucre.
Another little Biblical truth, believers in Jesus Christ are kings and priests already. What do we need priests for?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church slit the throats of those who chose not to believe that once they obtained a copy of the Bible in their native tongues and heard the Word of God for themselves.
The Bible says there was one sacrifice for sins that ended all sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:11-13
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Meanwhile the Catholic theologians attack the Reformers for daring to believe the Word of God and assuming they had to toss out Roman Catholic tradition whenever they found a conflict.
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/eucharistic-theology-in-the-reformation-and-the-council-of-trent-9988