It's a very old political cartoon that still gets debated a lot, but I think it still works in this context. Control of the US was always key to their plan to create One Nation on the planet.
Interestingly if you look at the pledge of allegiance
It was actually meant as a pledge to be used by every country in the world.
It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.
In its original form it read:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
One nation. One world. One pledge.
Over time the part about the Flag of the United States and "Under God" were added later.
They changed the salute to being over the heart because the original way was too much like a Nazi salute.
Shortly thereafter, the pledge was begun with the right hand over the heart, and after reciting "to the Flag," the arm was extended toward the Flag, palm-down.
In World War II, the salute too much resembled the Nazi salute, so it was changed to keep the right hand over the heart throughout.
This is the man that wrote the pledge. He must be rolling over in his grave that "Under God" was added. He did NOT want God in the pledge.
In 1891, Bellamy was "forced from his Boston pulpit for preaching against the evils of capitalism",[3] and eventually stopped attending church altogether after moving to Florida, reportedly because of the racism he witnessed there.[7] Francis's career as a preacher ended because of his tendency to describe Jesus as a socialist. In the 21st century, Bellamy is considered an early American democratic socialist.
He was a communist. It's pretty obvious.
That pledge was written by a communist and you can see it in the "One Nation" part. However, it got repurposed over time to include nationalism and God (everything he did NOT want) so we made it ours in the end.
Keeping church n state separate is to keep state out of the church. Not the other way around .
That's why settlers left England where state ran through the church.
That's not why he wanted God out of the pledge. This guy was a communist. There are many regular people who think like that, but communists also want religion out of government. Their reasoning is because they want to use government to destroy religion.
It might sound like a nice idea on paper, but it gets used against people with the wrong religion. This guy claimed he was a baptists, but ran around pushing a very obvious communist agenda under the name of christianity.
There is a lot of literature by communists talking about infiltrating religious institutions like the church just to spread communism. (Read "On A Pale Horse").
Do you agree with him that "Under God" should not be in the Pledge of Allegiance?
The "Under God" has been infuriating to the DS for a long time. I remember how crazy the media has pushed over the years to get it out.
Btw, the phrase "separation of church and state" does not exist in the Constitution. That is a myth that gets pushed by the media. They spread that lie over and over to try and convince people it's in the Constitution.
Morality can and does exist outside of a religious context. One does not need to be religious or follow religious preaching in order to still be moral.
There are many theories on moral philosophy. quite a few of which are of an atheistic nature ... But why would one to adhere to morality without an eternal benefit/punishment is an intresting question and yet it does exist.
Fishy if I actually take the time to debate you on this will you respond this time? You never respond when people take the time to debate you. You seem to like playing Devil Advocate's whenever you comment.
You always just drop into posts and cry "ThAt's nOt tRuE!" and then never show the guts to debate them.
Will you actually reply and debate here? I'm starting to wonder if you're a bot from how often you do it. It's getting weird.
Many people reply many things to the things I post here while playing devil's advocate at times, or trying to just get logical arguments out of people. I'd spend a lot of time on GAW just sorting through reply notifications and taking the time to continue conversations vs seeing other posts people put up. And yes iM_a ReAl Pers0n. If your feelings get hurt when people don't feel like it's worth debating your every comment, then maybe you're not made for the internet. I don't have unlimited supplies of time and energy.
It's a very old political cartoon that still gets debated a lot, but I think it still works in this context. Control of the US was always key to their plan to create One Nation on the planet.
Interestingly if you look at the pledge of allegiance
https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm?vm=r
It was actually meant as a pledge to be used by every country in the world.
One nation. One world. One pledge.
Over time the part about the Flag of the United States and "Under God" were added later.
They changed the salute to being over the heart because the original way was too much like a Nazi salute.
This is the man that wrote the pledge. He must be rolling over in his grave that "Under God" was added. He did NOT want God in the pledge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
This was how you saluted the flag originally when doing the pledge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
He was a communist. It's pretty obvious.
That pledge was written by a communist and you can see it in the "One Nation" part. However, it got repurposed over time to include nationalism and God (everything he did NOT want) so we made it ours in the end.
Didn't know the history of the Pledge fren.
Thank you for the education - quite eye opening.
Yes, thank you for putting it here. Never to old to learn something!
Ah,
so he wanted to separate church and state;
so he could separate morality from politics?
So [they] wouldn't have to do the right thing, but whatever they wanted?
Keeping church n state separate is to keep state out of the church. Not the other way around . That's why settlers left England where state ran through the church.
Oh, thanks man.
That's not why he wanted God out of the pledge. This guy was a communist. There are many regular people who think like that, but communists also want religion out of government. Their reasoning is because they want to use government to destroy religion.
It might sound like a nice idea on paper, but it gets used against people with the wrong religion. This guy claimed he was a baptists, but ran around pushing a very obvious communist agenda under the name of christianity.
There is a lot of literature by communists talking about infiltrating religious institutions like the church just to spread communism. (Read "On A Pale Horse").
Do you agree with him that "Under God" should not be in the Pledge of Allegiance?
The "Under God" has been infuriating to the DS for a long time. I remember how crazy the media has pushed over the years to get it out.
Btw, the phrase "separation of church and state" does not exist in the Constitution. That is a myth that gets pushed by the media. They spread that lie over and over to try and convince people it's in the Constitution.
https://aclj.org/does-the-separation-of-church-and-state-really-exist
When they said "we don't want religion" in government they really mean they don't want "Christianity" in government.
Morality can and does exist outside of a religious context. One does not need to be religious or follow religious preaching in order to still be moral.
From whence does this secular objective morality spring?
no where. dudes smokin something funny
There are many theories on moral philosophy. quite a few of which are of an atheistic nature ... But why would one to adhere to morality without an eternal benefit/punishment is an intresting question and yet it does exist.
ya i kno that.
im talking about this Commie Faggot’s goal.
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it can even be taken further, remove God from politics, and the politicians become our god.
“Do this; don’t do that.”
“Say this; don’t say that.”
“Think this, don’t think that.”
The Party from 1984; The Party decides what’s best for us.
Fishy if I actually take the time to debate you on this will you respond this time? You never respond when people take the time to debate you. You seem to like playing Devil Advocate's whenever you comment.
You always just drop into posts and cry "ThAt's nOt tRuE!" and then never show the guts to debate them.
Will you actually reply and debate here? I'm starting to wonder if you're a bot from how often you do it. It's getting weird.
Many people reply many things to the things I post here while playing devil's advocate at times, or trying to just get logical arguments out of people. I'd spend a lot of time on GAW just sorting through reply notifications and taking the time to continue conversations vs seeing other posts people put up. And yes iM_a ReAl Pers0n. If your feelings get hurt when people don't feel like it's worth debating your every comment, then maybe you're not made for the internet. I don't have unlimited supplies of time and energy.
That's fascinating. The more ya know
I definitely learned something new today! TY!