It should be noted that TDU didn't single you out, or accuse YOU directly for any of the questionable actions taken against NFD. TDU is just trying to figure out what happened and why. These are valid inquiries. But I do also agree with the confusion here regarding NFD. As v8power has also pointed out, according to the public mod logs, NFD is not banned. Last time I received a PM reply from NFD was right around when the initial ban occurred, and that PM has since been deleted. It went something along the lines of "it's not worth the effort dealing with these idiots" (my paraphrase).I agree that it seems odd that if NFD is not banned, he'd be unable to post. It would be great to get to the bottom of all this.
While you're looking into questionable ban issues, can you look into the ban history for ExpertBread / NotExpertBread? There were shenanigans with this standup, brilliant community member before the issues with Norman. Several of us inquired through posts/comments, though much of those seem to have since been deleted. I had a PM reply from a mod that has also since been deleted, in which I was told that it couldn't be figured out which mod banned Bread, and yet later on it was admitted plainly that said mod did know which mod banned Bread ("one of our most active mods") but then when he asked this banning mod WHY he banned Bread, he claimed that he "didn't remember"... if I remember correctly, this might have all happened before there were any public mod logs. If you click on his account, it now says "user deleted their account.". That's weird. ExpertBread was banned. Mod confirmed that. So he deleted his own account, or was it deleted because of his ban? It appears that the account NotExpertBread wasn't deleted, although all of the comments are deleted. The posts are still visible though. Interestingly, I noticed that all of Mitch's comments have been deleted, but like NotExpertBread, the posts are still visible.
Appreciate any research and insights into these strange happenings that you might be able to provide.
How are you certain that TDU is NFD? Just because these accounts exhibit similar posting styles? Do the accounts share the same IP? What other hard evidence is there to prove the accounts are the same person? What do you think about CHAOS_ACTUAL or the other dozen accounts associated with TDU and NFD? What do you make of the covfefe thread in which these associated accounts all posted? Do they all belong to the same user? Are these just aliases? Dummy accounts to reactivate in case one is banned? But what do you make of the various threads where these accounts were posting comments seemingly in conversation with each other? You think that one person really went through the trouble to do that to make it look like they were all different unique users? Or is it possible, rather more likely, that TDU is not NFD, that these accounts are all separate users, but are part of a coordinated group? Maybe just a bunch of friends? Seems like there are other reasonable conclusions to make about said account(s) aside from TDU=NFD... not saying that's not true, could be... but is there more conclusive evidence that we're not privy to?
As to ExpertBread, can you address my questions about that situation? Do you also think that Bread was another alias of an "entity" you seem to think is TDU/NFD et al?
I'm not going to disclose our back end. But you can plainly see when the accounts were created and TDU's post count jumped significantly after NFD's ban. TDU was essentially inactive before that time. Why would someone that inactive suddenly be concerned with NFD? Why are you so concerned?
I know nothing of expertbread.
So, you don't actually have proof, or at least aren't willing to disclose it for some reason you're also not willing to share... without any further explicit evidence, all you rely on are your own attempts to connect speculative observations.
Actually, TDU did not start becoming active immediately after NFD's ban. It was at least 2 months later, right around the time that CHAOS had gone inactivate (which "he" said he was going away for a while). Granted, CHAOS went from inactive to active right around the time that NFD was banned. So back to my question, which you never really answered. Do you think that CHAOS is also NFD, who is allegedly also TDU, who must therefore also be CHAOS? What about the other accounts from the covfefe thread? Mitch, Ian, Klein, Bluto et al.? Does their association and occasional "relay race" type tag team posting pattern prove that these all all the same user? That's the logic you're using to claim that TDU = NFD. So what of the rest? It seems that these accounts are and have always been "concerned" with each other, both on TDW/Patriots and GAW. Wouldn't that concern you that if true, all of these accounts are the same entity? Why ban an account then, if it's not really banning the person behind it, if they can just create new accounts? What about IP bans? Are the accounts using different IPs? Do you think that "the user" is masking IPs or using multiple IPs with the multiple accounts?
I'm not concerned about any of the accounts. Just curious about their connections to each other, and the sometimes "mysterious" and cryptic posting styles. I find these posts often interesting and many times thought provoking.
But what I am concerned about however, is instances of unwarranted censorship (deleted content and bans), lack of transparency and in some cases outright lies from (a) mod(s), which all evidences admin abuse. Not saying that's you specifically, or accusing you of being guilty of anything. Just making observations about the general nature of how this site is administered and by whom.
You know nothing of Bread? You can't check the account history? I linked to both ExpertBread and NotExpertBread above. Discussed that case. You weren't here when it happened or didn't see any of it? There are no mod logs of who banned the accounts or why they were banned? There is no way to recover the comment/post history? When accounts are banned/deleted, the internet just disappears the records? Is that built in functionality or the result of limitations to it? Maybe you just don't have admin access to any of this information or knowledge about it? Have you thought about why that might be? Have you asked those with more power above you about any of this? As TDU asked, who really runs this site? Do you know? Can you know?
It should be noted that TDU didn't single you out, or accuse YOU directly for any of the questionable actions taken against NFD. TDU is just trying to figure out what happened and why. These are valid inquiries. But I do also agree with the confusion here regarding NFD. As v8power has also pointed out, according to the public mod logs, NFD is not banned. Last time I received a PM reply from NFD was right around when the initial ban occurred, and that PM has since been deleted. It went something along the lines of "it's not worth the effort dealing with these idiots" (my paraphrase).I agree that it seems odd that if NFD is not banned, he'd be unable to post. It would be great to get to the bottom of all this.
While you're looking into questionable ban issues, can you look into the ban history for ExpertBread / NotExpertBread? There were shenanigans with this standup, brilliant community member before the issues with Norman. Several of us inquired through posts/comments, though much of those seem to have since been deleted. I had a PM reply from a mod that has also since been deleted, in which I was told that it couldn't be figured out which mod banned Bread, and yet later on it was admitted plainly that said mod did know which mod banned Bread ("one of our most active mods") but then when he asked this banning mod WHY he banned Bread, he claimed that he "didn't remember"... if I remember correctly, this might have all happened before there were any public mod logs. If you click on his account, it now says "user deleted their account.". That's weird. ExpertBread was banned. Mod confirmed that. So he deleted his own account, or was it deleted because of his ban? It appears that the account NotExpertBread wasn't deleted, although all of the comments are deleted. The posts are still visible though. Interestingly, I noticed that all of Mitch's comments have been deleted, but like NotExpertBread, the posts are still visible.
Appreciate any research and insights into these strange happenings that you might be able to provide.
Firstly TDU is NFD. That is easy enough to figure out.
We encourage mods to make notes when banning especially on older accounts.
How are you certain that TDU is NFD? Just because these accounts exhibit similar posting styles? Do the accounts share the same IP? What other hard evidence is there to prove the accounts are the same person? What do you think about CHAOS_ACTUAL or the other dozen accounts associated with TDU and NFD? What do you make of the covfefe thread in which these associated accounts all posted? Do they all belong to the same user? Are these just aliases? Dummy accounts to reactivate in case one is banned? But what do you make of the various threads where these accounts were posting comments seemingly in conversation with each other? You think that one person really went through the trouble to do that to make it look like they were all different unique users? Or is it possible, rather more likely, that TDU is not NFD, that these accounts are all separate users, but are part of a coordinated group? Maybe just a bunch of friends? Seems like there are other reasonable conclusions to make about said account(s) aside from TDU=NFD... not saying that's not true, could be... but is there more conclusive evidence that we're not privy to?
As to ExpertBread, can you address my questions about that situation? Do you also think that Bread was another alias of an "entity" you seem to think is TDU/NFD et al?
I'm not going to disclose our back end. But you can plainly see when the accounts were created and TDU's post count jumped significantly after NFD's ban. TDU was essentially inactive before that time. Why would someone that inactive suddenly be concerned with NFD? Why are you so concerned? I know nothing of expertbread.
So, you don't actually have proof, or at least aren't willing to disclose it for some reason you're also not willing to share... without any further explicit evidence, all you rely on are your own attempts to connect speculative observations.
Actually, TDU did not start becoming active immediately after NFD's ban. It was at least 2 months later, right around the time that CHAOS had gone inactivate (which "he" said he was going away for a while). Granted, CHAOS went from inactive to active right around the time that NFD was banned. So back to my question, which you never really answered. Do you think that CHAOS is also NFD, who is allegedly also TDU, who must therefore also be CHAOS? What about the other accounts from the covfefe thread? Mitch, Ian, Klein, Bluto et al.? Does their association and occasional "relay race" type tag team posting pattern prove that these all all the same user? That's the logic you're using to claim that TDU = NFD. So what of the rest? It seems that these accounts are and have always been "concerned" with each other, both on TDW/Patriots and GAW. Wouldn't that concern you that if true, all of these accounts are the same entity? Why ban an account then, if it's not really banning the person behind it, if they can just create new accounts? What about IP bans? Are the accounts using different IPs? Do you think that "the user" is masking IPs or using multiple IPs with the multiple accounts?
I'm not concerned about any of the accounts. Just curious about their connections to each other, and the sometimes "mysterious" and cryptic posting styles. I find these posts often interesting and many times thought provoking.
But what I am concerned about however, is instances of unwarranted censorship (deleted content and bans), lack of transparency and in some cases outright lies from (a) mod(s), which all evidences admin abuse. Not saying that's you specifically, or accusing you of being guilty of anything. Just making observations about the general nature of how this site is administered and by whom.
You know nothing of Bread? You can't check the account history? I linked to both ExpertBread and NotExpertBread above. Discussed that case. You weren't here when it happened or didn't see any of it? There are no mod logs of who banned the accounts or why they were banned? There is no way to recover the comment/post history? When accounts are banned/deleted, the internet just disappears the records? Is that built in functionality or the result of limitations to it? Maybe you just don't have admin access to any of this information or knowledge about it? Have you thought about why that might be? Have you asked those with more power above you about any of this? As TDU asked, who really runs this site? Do you know? Can you know?