Norman (via CHAOS) sent several messages to the mods
requesting clarification about his banning. He got no response
and remains unable to make comments.
I didn't see any of them, so it must have been before I was a mod. He's not banned, and it's very easy to make the statement that he can't comment without showing any proof.
Why doesn't Norman take a screen recording of him not being able to make comments and send it to the mod team? Whether its from you or CHAOS, it doesn't matter.
About that link... you're the mod... do your job.
That's not something that I can dig up easily, if at all, so I would assume that you would have that data in question.
I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not going to take orders from someone who makes false accusations or vague threats.
I'm not going to ban you, but I am very emotionally checked out with finding a solution to your problem due to the disrespect of your comments. If Norman gives a shit, he can either message the modteam, or have you or CHAOS message the modteam, with a screen recording showing his username, and his inability to post or comment.
Right now, his account doesn't show having any limits on my side.
If he really wanted to come back, he could easily make a new account and name it "Norman_F_Dixon2" or "Norman_D" or any combination, and we'll know its him by the depth and content of his posts. I'm not sure why he doesn't do this. Again, his IP is not banned.
It should be noted that TDU didn't single you out, or accuse YOU directly for any of the questionable actions taken against NFD. TDU is just trying to figure out what happened and why. These are valid inquiries. But I do also agree with the confusion here regarding NFD. As v8power has also pointed out, according to the public mod logs, NFD is not banned. Last time I received a PM reply from NFD was right around when the initial ban occurred, and that PM has since been deleted. It went something along the lines of "it's not worth the effort dealing with these idiots" (my paraphrase).I agree that it seems odd that if NFD is not banned, he'd be unable to post. It would be great to get to the bottom of all this.
While you're looking into questionable ban issues, can you look into the ban history for ExpertBread / NotExpertBread? There were shenanigans with this standup, brilliant community member before the issues with Norman. Several of us inquired through posts/comments, though much of those seem to have since been deleted. I had a PM reply from a mod that has also since been deleted, in which I was told that it couldn't be figured out which mod banned Bread, and yet later on it was admitted plainly that said mod did know which mod banned Bread ("one of our most active mods") but then when he asked this banning mod WHY he banned Bread, he claimed that he "didn't remember"... if I remember correctly, this might have all happened before there were any public mod logs. If you click on his account, it now says "user deleted their account.". That's weird. ExpertBread was banned. Mod confirmed that. So he deleted his own account, or was it deleted because of his ban? It appears that the account NotExpertBread wasn't deleted, although all of the comments are deleted. The posts are still visible though. Interestingly, I noticed that all of Mitch's comments have been deleted, but like NotExpertBread, the posts are still visible.
Appreciate any research and insights into these strange happenings that you might be able to provide.
Something that I always found odd was that on the public record of mod logs, it always just says "a moderator ____" but it won't reveal which mod did what. Why is that? Is there a reason why the public can't know which mod did what? Is there no functionality on the mod end that tells them which mods did what? A mod once said he couldn't find out who banned ExpertBread, and yet then he stated that he asked the banning mod ("our most active mod") why he banned Bread, and the answer was "herp derp i can't remember", which reveals two things: the aforementioned mod certainly could find out which mod did the banning, and lied about not knowing, and apparently mods could just ban without giving a reason, or the banning mod was lying about "not remembering" why... of course all of this could just have been made up to further confuse and deter questions being asked... who knows? We certainly don't know. Can't know. The site has very little transparency when it comes to the actions of mods...
I think these are all fair questions... Who owns the site? Who pays the bills? Who has ultimate power over the mods? Why is there little transparency about any of this? I've always found it interesting that Facebook will not let you post or message links to GAW using that platform. They claim the website is a violation of their user rules because of "violence" and other bullshit. It's as if "people" don't want this place to be advertised in the mainstream, don't want traffic here... who doesn't want the visibility and why?
This is all just very... mysterious... to say the least.
I take offense to this, because I work hard to maintain this site in my spare time without pay, contract, or any form of compensation whatsoever.
I got the mod position by asking to help. I was a normal user just like everyone else. I didn't know any insiders or anything like that.
You can fuck off with that shit.
Norman is not banned, and he can post anytime. I dug into this because you and his other friends asked in the comments. Again, I did this on my spare time to answer a question for fellow users and I really don't appreciate your accusations.
No mod has ever answered the question why the comment that got him banned was put back into the thread it was deleted?
Send me a link to the thread and point out which comment.
who is behind the .win platform? Who pays the bills?
Great questions. I dont know the answer to them.
But I do know one thing, you dont spit in someone's eye and ask for their help. Watch your tongue.
So new mod, who didn't understand, who didn't "get" Norman, who apparently didn't think to look through account history, gives 2 day ban because they thought the intent was to impersonate Q and/or be mysterious? These are bannable offenses? That's an indicator that the account is a glowie or shill? In either case, it's a bit concerning that any mod, new or not, so prone to knee jerk judgement would continue to have the power to ban. Good to know this mod was apparently reprimanded, and it would appear that whoever "WE" is, unbanned NFD or at least did not extent the 2 day ban.
Consider this... what if NFD was actually Q or part of "Q"? Then the account's posts would not have been impersonating or attempts to mimic Q drops, but actual Q drops...
What if "GAW" isn't the outside but the inside? If NFD is [part of] "Q" then they aren't outside comms because well, derp...
You assume that NFD isn't [part of] "Q" to prove your assumption, because if your assumption is correct then NFD can't be [part of] "Q" because it'd be outside comms since NFD is not [part of] "Q", as your assumption requires... terribly illogical line of reasoning there fren...
Consider the alternative... what if you've misjudged the identity and nature of "NFD"? Or are you always right? Can you prove that "NFD" is absolutely not [part of] "Q"? How so? Do you know both entities? Can you prove it?
Just in case you were wondering, u/Norman_F_Dixon isn't banned. I took a look at the account status.
I didn't see any of them, so it must have been before I was a mod. He's not banned, and it's very easy to make the statement that he can't comment without showing any proof.
Why doesn't Norman take a screen recording of him not being able to make comments and send it to the mod team? Whether its from you or CHAOS, it doesn't matter.
That's not something that I can dig up easily, if at all, so I would assume that you would have that data in question.
I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not going to take orders from someone who makes false accusations or vague threats.
I'm not going to ban you, but I am very emotionally checked out with finding a solution to your problem due to the disrespect of your comments. If Norman gives a shit, he can either message the modteam, or have you or CHAOS message the modteam, with a screen recording showing his username, and his inability to post or comment.
Right now, his account doesn't show having any limits on my side.
If he really wanted to come back, he could easily make a new account and name it "Norman_F_Dixon2" or "Norman_D" or any combination, and we'll know its him by the depth and content of his posts. I'm not sure why he doesn't do this. Again, his IP is not banned.
It should be noted that TDU didn't single you out, or accuse YOU directly for any of the questionable actions taken against NFD. TDU is just trying to figure out what happened and why. These are valid inquiries. But I do also agree with the confusion here regarding NFD. As v8power has also pointed out, according to the public mod logs, NFD is not banned. Last time I received a PM reply from NFD was right around when the initial ban occurred, and that PM has since been deleted. It went something along the lines of "it's not worth the effort dealing with these idiots" (my paraphrase).I agree that it seems odd that if NFD is not banned, he'd be unable to post. It would be great to get to the bottom of all this.
While you're looking into questionable ban issues, can you look into the ban history for ExpertBread / NotExpertBread? There were shenanigans with this standup, brilliant community member before the issues with Norman. Several of us inquired through posts/comments, though much of those seem to have since been deleted. I had a PM reply from a mod that has also since been deleted, in which I was told that it couldn't be figured out which mod banned Bread, and yet later on it was admitted plainly that said mod did know which mod banned Bread ("one of our most active mods") but then when he asked this banning mod WHY he banned Bread, he claimed that he "didn't remember"... if I remember correctly, this might have all happened before there were any public mod logs. If you click on his account, it now says "user deleted their account.". That's weird. ExpertBread was banned. Mod confirmed that. So he deleted his own account, or was it deleted because of his ban? It appears that the account NotExpertBread wasn't deleted, although all of the comments are deleted. The posts are still visible though. Interestingly, I noticed that all of Mitch's comments have been deleted, but like NotExpertBread, the posts are still visible.
Appreciate any research and insights into these strange happenings that you might be able to provide.
Something that I always found odd was that on the public record of mod logs, it always just says "a moderator ____" but it won't reveal which mod did what. Why is that? Is there a reason why the public can't know which mod did what? Is there no functionality on the mod end that tells them which mods did what? A mod once said he couldn't find out who banned ExpertBread, and yet then he stated that he asked the banning mod ("our most active mod") why he banned Bread, and the answer was "herp derp i can't remember", which reveals two things: the aforementioned mod certainly could find out which mod did the banning, and lied about not knowing, and apparently mods could just ban without giving a reason, or the banning mod was lying about "not remembering" why... of course all of this could just have been made up to further confuse and deter questions being asked... who knows? We certainly don't know. Can't know. The site has very little transparency when it comes to the actions of mods...
I think these are all fair questions... Who owns the site? Who pays the bills? Who has ultimate power over the mods? Why is there little transparency about any of this? I've always found it interesting that Facebook will not let you post or message links to GAW using that platform. They claim the website is a violation of their user rules because of "violence" and other bullshit. It's as if "people" don't want this place to be advertised in the mainstream, don't want traffic here... who doesn't want the visibility and why?
This is all just very... mysterious... to say the least.
I take offense to this, because I work hard to maintain this site in my spare time without pay, contract, or any form of compensation whatsoever.
I got the mod position by asking to help. I was a normal user just like everyone else. I didn't know any insiders or anything like that.
You can fuck off with that shit.
Norman is not banned, and he can post anytime. I dug into this because you and his other friends asked in the comments. Again, I did this on my spare time to answer a question for fellow users and I really don't appreciate your accusations.
Send me a link to the thread and point out which comment.
Great questions. I dont know the answer to them.
But I do know one thing, you dont spit in someone's eye and ask for their help. Watch your tongue.
Hi Norman.
Judging by the message
"You are either a Glowie or a Shill! Either way you are banned a few days while we look into your comments further!"
I believe it was a new mod that was later temporarily revealed of their mod duties.
Likely because of your long posts with no paragraphs or coherent thought in an attempt to look like a Q drop or to appear to be mysterious.
So new mod, who didn't understand, who didn't "get" Norman, who apparently didn't think to look through account history, gives 2 day ban because they thought the intent was to impersonate Q and/or be mysterious? These are bannable offenses? That's an indicator that the account is a glowie or shill? In either case, it's a bit concerning that any mod, new or not, so prone to knee jerk judgement would continue to have the power to ban. Good to know this mod was apparently reprimanded, and it would appear that whoever "WE" is, unbanned NFD or at least did not extent the 2 day ban.
Consider this... what if NFD was actually Q or part of "Q"? Then the account's posts would not have been impersonating or attempts to mimic Q drops, but actual Q drops...
Better not sock this guy, might be something special about him...
Just saying...
The mod was a noob and given very little guidance. That's all. I seldom respond to appeals of someone that I didn't ban.
"what if NFD was actually Q or part of "Q"?"
And what if NFD was the queen of england? No outside coms.
"might be something special about him..."
Yeah, something along those lines...
What if "GAW" isn't the outside but the inside? If NFD is [part of] "Q" then they aren't outside comms because well, derp...
You assume that NFD isn't [part of] "Q" to prove your assumption, because if your assumption is correct then NFD can't be [part of] "Q" because it'd be outside comms since NFD is not [part of] "Q", as your assumption requires... terribly illogical line of reasoning there fren...
Consider the alternative... what if you've misjudged the identity and nature of "NFD"? Or are you always right? Can you prove that "NFD" is absolutely not [part of] "Q"? How so? Do you know both entities? Can you prove it?