Electric vehicles are not ready to replace combustion engines: https://www.bitchute.com/video/upZCaVWDtQlt/
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ICYMI - Electric cars setting themselves on fire in a row:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/so-you-want-a-electric-car-do-you_Jh5emjR2IBsktLq.html
That really improved the environment. NOT!
Did Q ever take a stance on electric vs combustion?
That's a good question.
Found two with "cars", I can't see what the nytimes article says as I'm not a paying subscriber.
Qpost 1120:
Clarify.
Chongqing.
Tuesday.
Demand.
Xi.
Confirm tariff reduction.
Tuesday (China).
Cars.
Article provides foundation.
Major import.
Ford.
US.
Start.
Q
https://qposts.online/post/1120
So I looked to see if Ford has electric cars (because I really had no idea) and yes they do in fact make electric cars...
https://www.ford.com/powertrains/battery-electric-vehicles/
And what do you know, they do manufacture electric cars in Chongqing, China ...
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021/01/27/ford-manufacture-mustang-mach-e-china.html
https://corporate.ford.com/operations/locations/global-plants/changan-ford-automobile-assembly-plant-1.html
Qpost 1117:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/business/international/chinas-embrace-of-foreign-cars.html
Q
https://qposts.online/post/1117
Just something to say on the topic of EV cars and buses: According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, most of the nation's electricity was generated by natural gas, nuclear energy, and coal in 2020. Electricity is also produced from renewable sources such as wind, hydropower, solar power, biomass, wind, and geothermal. Nuclear plants add the greatest volume of power in the European Union. In 2020, 685 terawatt hours of electricity was generated by nuclear energy. Among renewable energies, wind is the largest contributor, at 396 terawatt hours. Point EV transportation comes from a larger percent of nuclear power, natural gas, Coal, when you add in wind power keep in mind the ten of thousands of birds killed A commercial average-sized wind turbine (2 megawatts) costs about $2.6–4 million Once you purchase and build a wind turbine, there are ongoing maintenance costs to consider $42,000–$48,000 per year Estimates put the tear-down cost of a single modern wind turbine, which can rise from 250 to 500 feet above the ground, at $200,000 . Wind turbines can make between $3000–$10,000 or more per year depending on the size and kilowatt capacity of the turbine. Farmers on wind farms can maintain their own electricity production and guarantee a lower price for at least 20 years How much does it cost to replace an electric bus battery? When will that replacement be necessary? The traction battery on an electric school bus could cost around $50,000 to replace, if replacement costs are not covered under warranty. Battery capacity and bus range will decline over time Made in the USA, the ZX5 features faster acceleration, industry-leading gradability, and the most battery storage on the road today for any 40-foot electric bus, offering a range of more than 300 miles per charge. Used up EV car batteries are hazardous waste, Excessive mining of lithium leaves the few pieces of fertile land barren. Lithium mining activities destroy the habitats and minerals that plants require to grow. So, lithium extraction is responsible for the onset of desertification in several parts of the world Recycling costs Tesla about $4.50 per pound of battery. Assuming a Tesla battery is 1,500 pounds, it costs about $6,750 to recycle an entire Tesla battery pack.
http://anemoiservices.com/industry-news/how-much-money-does-a-wind-turbine-produce-from-electricity-it-generates/ http://insideenergy.org/2016/09/09/where-do-wind-turbines-go-to-die/ https://matmatch.com/resources/blog/what-materials-are-behind-the-ev-battery-revolution/
Reminds me of the Samsung Note 7 fiasco a few years ago.
But, muh save the planet.
Is this what “zero emissions” looks like?
Reminds me of older Ford trucks that randomly caught on fire...
No one was hurt.
Once battery tech improves, all vehicles will be electric. There is no point in trying to make it cool to hate on electric vehicles.
It won't work.
No one was hurt. Not this time. What if people had been on that bus? How long did that fire burn. These electric fires burn for a notoriously long time.
I am not trying to make it cool to hate electric vehicles.
I am saying electric vehicles have too many problems at this time to replace all regular cars.
These problems need to be worked out before completely ditching combustion engines. I believe lots of different technology has been suppressed to keep oil companies in business.
If you watch Top Gear, they're always running out of electricity in very inconvenient places. They enter shops and ask to use their electricity. It takes forever to recharge. Your life will become on obsession revolving around charging your car. Electric cars are not there yet.
We have to find a better way, or fix the problems.
More info on electric car fires:
Electric vehicles with lithium ion batteries burn hotter, faster and require far more water to reach final extinguishment, Sutcliffe says. And the batteries can re-ignite hours or even days after the fire is initially controlled, leaving salvage yards, repair shops and others at risk. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/29/electric-vehicle-fires-are-rare-but-hard-to-fight-heres-why.html
Independent research and information for first responders produced by Tesla warn that: A battery fire in an electric vehicle can take 3,000 gallons of water and up to 24 hours to fully suppress. Firefighters should immediately arrange for water tenders and use a master stream if possible. Consider allowing the battery to burn while protecting exposures. Breathing apparatus is absolutely required. In some cases firefighters have run out of air and had to get a second bottle. https://wildfiretoday.com/2018/05/18/electric-vehicle-fires-can-take-3000-gallons-and-24-hours-to-extinguish/
ELECTRIC SCOOTER ON FIRE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUGEFErXxA
And you haven't even mentioned the cargo ship that sunk due to these batteries spontaneously combusting.
Lithium reacts violently with water, it explodes, its the same with exposure to air while charged or charging.
Some rando using a cell phone near a charging battery can ignite it. The only way to put a lithium fire out safely and quickly is to smother it in dry sand or earth.
Gasoline powered vehicles catch on fire too.
Look, all electric vehicles are coming. You can't stop it by gaslighting and being upset about it.
You can bluster at me about it, but it won't change anything.
I think the battery tech needs to be improved, but it will. When I was young batteries were carbon-zinc. The tech is always improving and there is no reason to believe that the lithium batteries are final incarnation.
Electric vehicles are going to be the norm fairly soon I think.
Note to self: By 2030, according to one study, the nation will need to invest as much as $125 billion in the grid to allow it to handle electric vehicles. The current infrastructure bill before Congress puts about $5 billion toward transmission line construction and upgrades According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, most of the nation's electricity was generated by natural gas, nuclear energy, and coal in 2020.
Note to others.
As demand for power increases, prices for kilowatt-hours go up, increasing the incentive to build more power plants to make money.
How much power did we need in my grandfathers house when he was a kid? How much in 1962? How much now? We don't live in a static world. We are building stuff and destroying stuff all the time.
I consider the power argument just silly. We have many ways to generate power. We aren't against any hard limits.
I'm not gaslighting or blustering you pede. "Just stating the facts, ma'am".
Ok I apologize if I came across as antagonistic.
We all have our pet peeves. One of mine is people posting tee-hee pictures of electric cars being charged with gas generators.
I don't dispute any of the facts you stated.
But things will change. The Internal Combustion Engine is on its way out.
And I personally will be very happy.
Not because I am a sandal-wearing tree-hugger.
I'm more like an old man who hates it when his lawn mower won't start.
Battery tech will improve.
More power will be generated. The amount of power generated and consumed has been rising continuously since our grandparents were born.
So in a more polite way, I would reiterate that I'm right. Electric vehicles are coming and nothing is going to stop them.
We don't know if there will be improved batteries, the only way I can think of is if someone makes graphene lattices made from hemp. It is possible.
As for electric cars themselves, the insurance companies will have the last word on this.
You don't think battery technology will improve? Really?
I didn't say that, I said "we don't know"
"Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plans—never mind aspirations for far greater expansion—will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile."
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/mines-minerals-and-green-energy-reality-check
There's nothing "green" about an electric car. Where does the electricity come from to charge them? Mostly from gas and coal. What's digging the raw materials for batteries out of the earth? Gas-run machinery. Where's the infrastructure for charging them? It's practically non-existent.
What happens when cars on the freeways get in a traffic jam due to an accident? In the cold of winter, the heaters are on. In the heat of summer the AC is on. Imagine even a handful of cars running out of juice. How are you going to move them out of the way? You can't just run over with a can of gas to get them going again. You will need a tow truck for each dead car. How long will it take to clear the road? What happens if you need to get an emergency vehicle through, like an ambulance or fire truck? Too bad, you won't.
Electric cars are not ready for prime time. There are still too many problems to overcome.
False. The electric grid can not handle the load. You would need to double the national debt to upgrade the grid and then where the hell is the generation going to come from?????
This doesn't even make any sense.
The government doesn't build the power grid. Power companies do.
I was trying to make it understandable as to the money required.
Power isn't going to be a problem. As demand increases, new power plants will be built.
The only real problem facing electric cars right now is how long it takes to charge.
And that can be solved with better battery tech.
you are talking to an electrical engineer that works in the utility world.....you are wrong.
It isn't an engineering problem. It is an economic one. We already know how to make power plants and power lines.
There is no need to argue with me about it. It's coming and whining that you don't like electric cars won't change anything.
There could be some teething problems, but the economics says the market will provide the extra power when people want it.
And everybody is going to want an electric car. They are quiet, need much less maintenance, and much more reliable.
Please take a couple minutes to watch this. You can't stop it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kxPyNZF3Q
Ok then. But in reality electric is a fine nitch market. My god man you dont know what you are talking about. The electrical grid in the usa is falling apart and is not in great shape as is. If all vehicles switched to electric, well it would simply collapse.
You do realize that generation requires a source of energy to generate electricty or do you think it comes from liberal farts?
Do you know how toxic it is when one of these fires happens?
Also, mostly unstoppable, since most FDs lack the special foam it takes to stop it.
So an unstoppable toxic fire. Wherever you park it.
Right. Battery technology will improve.
Electric vehicles are coming. Even though you don't like it, they will become the norm. It is unstoppable.