How could anyone possibly believe Biden when he says this?
You guys often claim "January 6th".
Let's just assume you guys are right, and there were absolutely no FBI agitators on 1/6; it was still a 99% peaceful rally with a few idiots that got out of hand, no guns, and no murder besides a Trump supporter getting shot by cops. The gallows (which were never attempted to be used, agitator or no agitator) was nothing compared to the performative hatred mock assassinations and threats that Trump and Trump's supporters have gotten.
Democrats, including "30,000 guards at the inauguration" Biden talk and act as if there are deadly mass shootings and riots every week by Trump supporters and Q people. They act as if Biden and Democrat officials and the Media officials are constantly at risk from attacks from us.
The only shooting I can think of similar to this is the baseball shooting, where a lone wolf shot at GOP officials for being "Russian Agents"
I genuinely cannot see how any left-winger can justify what the media and the Democrat officials such as Biden are implying.
I can't see this lying about imminent danger as anything more than the media and the Democrats both scapegoating and lying about the threat of their opposition to distract from their low approval rating and how terrible everything is.
Also, what is "the outside world" scared Q supporters will do?
This is a delicate thing to discuss on GAW, especially as a non-supporter, so forgive me for tiptoeing a bit.
Forget Jan 6th for this conversation. Let’s agree for this that it’s uncertain.
Q people have two distinct types of Q-related beliefs:
Belief in the world Q described, and the one that Q supporters have extrapolated from other conspiracies. So, the world is controlled by a cabal of pedophilic Satanist cannibals who control everything. They steal elections and falsify scientific evidence and create a false reality through media manipulation to conceal their child sacrifice and such.
Belief Donald Trump is a hidden strategic genius working to fight these monsters, and is aligned with an anonymous entity called Q that has promised a complicated, brilliant plan that will eliminate the Cabal, and as a byproduct, reinstate Trump to power and execute every traitor.
The second belief doesn’t worry people much. I don’t think the outside world is worried that Trump has a secret army and is part of a secret Plan to do anything.
It’s the first belief that gets Q people outside attention.
Because if you lose faith in Q, but not in the world that Q is supposed to be fighting, then what exactly happens next?
Why is “military the only way”? What can a well-armed, organized military do that literally nobody else can?
It seems, then, that if the military is required, then “the only way” requires the military to either threaten to kill people and break things, or it requires those military to actually kill people and break things. The Plan requires lots of big guns and military people willing to use them on traitorous politicians.
So what if the “outside world” is right? What if the military is not willing to kill people and break things on behalf of Q? What if Q was a fraud, and never shows up?
Do people here then question the first belief? Do they question whether there actually is a Cabal and a war and a power structure based on theistic Satanism?
If not, then do they simply sit back and accept that the world is fucked, and that we simply must feed children to Satanic pedophiles for society to function?
Do Q people just go back to their families and friends and pretend they were never Q followers?
I don’t know. But I do know what the ammo box is.
And most importantly, I absolutely believe everyone here takes their belief in the Q World very seriously.
You tell me this is a life-or death war to save thousands of children from being sexually cannibalized, and I believe you are sincere in this belief.
So you tell me. If Q doesn’t show up, and 2024 passes with a non-Trump person in the White House, and no arrests or executions happen, what do you personally do? Do you continue to believe the Q theories themselves, but believe Q failed? Or do you re-examine the world that Q and Friend sold in the first place?
In terms of the "false world" Q has described, Epstein and Maxwell have already been arrested for child sex trafficking. The charge of "sex trafficking of minors" implies they had "customers". Not one of these customers has been exposed. There are so many pictures of Epstein and Maxwell with many different famous people. It's not too much a "baseless conspiracy" to wonder if they perhaps were the customers.
In addition, even Wikipedia now agrees that "Epstein allegedly "lent" girls to powerful people to ingratiate himself with them and also to gain possible blackmail information".
I see no reason why Trump doesn't condemn Q worldview or the idea that he is saving them. It is nothing but a loss for him unless there is a conspiracy, and he is in good faith stopping them. As you say, people will lose faith in the "plan". However, they would also be against him, for many reasons, including not denouncing the plan and misleading them. Therefore, even if he is this terrible self-centered person that NPCs claim, the best thing for him to do would have been to denounce the whole worldview. It only makes sense for him not to, if the worldview is true.
I don't think there will be a true domestic terrorist attack as you and them are implying.
I do know that they are using this hypothetical threat of MAGA/Q attackers (again, hasn't happened once) to distract from their failures.
They are using it to support division, which they claimed and lied that Trump and we were doing.
They are using these hypothetical terror threats claims that free speech on the internet is bad.
They call both truth social and Elon buying Twitter "threats to democracy" (when they aren't calling them idiot weak failures, because apparently we are both super strong threats, and weak idiots stupid and uncaring)
By that logic, literally any conversation in any living room is a "threat to democracy", if it isn't being "fact checked"
It seems "threat to democracy" means questioning what they don't want questioned.
Their standard for fact checking figures they like is "well they didn't claim it was for what anyone with pattern recognition can obviously see, therefore its false.
They are making a "department of combatting misinformation" in the department of HOMELAND SECURITY with a leftist partition head, due to these hypothetical terror threats.
There's likely no chance these hypothetical right-wing attacks even happen since they haven't happened yet despite fearmongering from the fake news. Despite this, they have gotten half the population to believe all these terrible things about the other half of the population, and have gotten them to be unable to question the institutions or figures they are told not to question.
If God forbid an actual Q/Trump supporter right-wing terror attack did happen, half of the country would support literally any measure to "protect democracy", especially if questioning it makes you a "MAGA/Q sympathizer". If they support all this scapegoating and division, I'm scared for what the NPCs would support as a response in the event of an actual attack.
In terms of the "false world" Q has described, Epstein and Maxwell have already been arrested for child sex trafficking. The charge of "sex trafficking of minors" implies they had "customers". Not one of these customers has been exposed. There are so many pictures of Epstein and Maxwell with many different famous people. It's not too much a "baseless conspiracy" to wonder if they perhaps were the customers.
I would never contest that sex traffickers of minors exist. We knew that long before Q. I don't even doubt that Cabals exist.
I just doubt that the chan poster Q has anything to do with fighting sex trafficking, or that Trump is being deliberately targeted by this Cabal as some sort of Warrior for Good, or anything like that.
The world is a scary place. It'd be nice to believe that all evil roads lead to one big bad Cabal responsible for everything, but I think the world is far more complicated than that, and that Q theories VASTLY oversimplify the world's problems.
I see no reason why Trump doesn't condemn Q worldview or the idea that he is saving them. It is nothing but a loss for him unless there is a conspiracy, and he is in good faith stopping them. As you say, people will lose faith in the "plan". However, they would also be against him, for many reasons, including not denouncing the plan and misleading them. Therefore, even if he is this terrible self-centered person that NPCs claim, the best thing for him to do would have been to denounce the whole worldview. It only makes sense for him not to, if the worldview is true.
I'm going to be honest: I would bet actual money I could beat Donald Trump in a Q trivia contest.
I don't think Trump really knows or wants to know what "QAnon" is about. Q people are his supporters. That's what he knows. And Trump has always been extremely hesitant to call out his supporters for any reason.
I don't think he has any idea what you guys think "the Plan" is, or how important it is to you that it succeed.
I think he knows you want him back in office, and that you believe that he won 2020, and so he'll continue to talk about it and use that political power as long as he has it. And maybe he'll run in 2024.
But I have never seen any evidence that Q is remotely important to him, and while you will likely see that as Sun Tzu optics, I see it as Trump simply saying what he needs to say to keep his supporters voting for him.
Which includes not deliberately antagonizing the people who see him as a strategic genius who fights pedophiles.
I don't think there will be a true domestic terrorist attack as you and them are implying.
I didn't intend to imply this.
What I do know is that this forum recently had a thread fantasizing about ways to graphically torture politicians while at the same time insisting that any violence committed by alleged Q-aligned people must be a false flag.
You guys believe in a war. A real war with real casualties against real people you can name for alleged crimes that would not only be traitorous, but monstrous.
And if Q isn't fighting these monsters, you still believe it's paranoid for normies to worry about what the "digital soldiers" will consider their marching orders to be in absence of any real soldiers? That's something you can't understand?
Also, what is "the outside world" scared Q supporters will do?
There is all this fear-mongering about how Trump supporters/MAGA/"Ultra MAGA"/Q Anon/whatever else are this huge threat.
Biden even said "MAGA is the most dangerous organization EVER in American history"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK5VgoCrGmo
How could anyone possibly believe Biden when he says this?
You guys often claim "January 6th".
Let's just assume you guys are right, and there were absolutely no FBI agitators on 1/6; it was still a 99% peaceful rally with a few idiots that got out of hand, no guns, and no murder besides a Trump supporter getting shot by cops. The gallows (which were never attempted to be used, agitator or no agitator) was nothing compared to the performative hatred mock assassinations and threats that Trump and Trump's supporters have gotten.
Democrats, including "30,000 guards at the inauguration" Biden talk and act as if there are deadly mass shootings and riots every week by Trump supporters and Q people. They act as if Biden and Democrat officials and the Media officials are constantly at risk from attacks from us.
The only shooting I can think of similar to this is the baseball shooting, where a lone wolf shot at GOP officials for being "Russian Agents"
I genuinely cannot see how any left-winger can justify what the media and the Democrat officials such as Biden are implying.
I can't see this lying about imminent danger as anything more than the media and the Democrats both scapegoating and lying about the threat of their opposition to distract from their low approval rating and how terrible everything is.
This is a delicate thing to discuss on GAW, especially as a non-supporter, so forgive me for tiptoeing a bit.
Forget Jan 6th for this conversation. Let’s agree for this that it’s uncertain.
Q people have two distinct types of Q-related beliefs:
Belief in the world Q described, and the one that Q supporters have extrapolated from other conspiracies. So, the world is controlled by a cabal of pedophilic Satanist cannibals who control everything. They steal elections and falsify scientific evidence and create a false reality through media manipulation to conceal their child sacrifice and such.
Belief Donald Trump is a hidden strategic genius working to fight these monsters, and is aligned with an anonymous entity called Q that has promised a complicated, brilliant plan that will eliminate the Cabal, and as a byproduct, reinstate Trump to power and execute every traitor.
The second belief doesn’t worry people much. I don’t think the outside world is worried that Trump has a secret army and is part of a secret Plan to do anything.
It’s the first belief that gets Q people outside attention.
Because if you lose faith in Q, but not in the world that Q is supposed to be fighting, then what exactly happens next?
Why is “military the only way”? What can a well-armed, organized military do that literally nobody else can?
It seems, then, that if the military is required, then “the only way” requires the military to either threaten to kill people and break things, or it requires those military to actually kill people and break things. The Plan requires lots of big guns and military people willing to use them on traitorous politicians.
So what if the “outside world” is right? What if the military is not willing to kill people and break things on behalf of Q? What if Q was a fraud, and never shows up?
Do people here then question the first belief? Do they question whether there actually is a Cabal and a war and a power structure based on theistic Satanism?
If not, then do they simply sit back and accept that the world is fucked, and that we simply must feed children to Satanic pedophiles for society to function?
Do Q people just go back to their families and friends and pretend they were never Q followers?
I don’t know. But I do know what the ammo box is.
And most importantly, I absolutely believe everyone here takes their belief in the Q World very seriously.
You tell me this is a life-or death war to save thousands of children from being sexually cannibalized, and I believe you are sincere in this belief.
So you tell me. If Q doesn’t show up, and 2024 passes with a non-Trump person in the White House, and no arrests or executions happen, what do you personally do? Do you continue to believe the Q theories themselves, but believe Q failed? Or do you re-examine the world that Q and Friend sold in the first place?
In terms of the "false world" Q has described, Epstein and Maxwell have already been arrested for child sex trafficking. The charge of "sex trafficking of minors" implies they had "customers". Not one of these customers has been exposed. There are so many pictures of Epstein and Maxwell with many different famous people. It's not too much a "baseless conspiracy" to wonder if they perhaps were the customers.
In addition, even Wikipedia now agrees that "Epstein allegedly "lent" girls to powerful people to ingratiate himself with them and also to gain possible blackmail information".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein
This would be UNBELIEVABLE to nearly anyone just 10 years ago.
Anyone except conspiracy theorists and this dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8XCTnFsIuM
I see no reason why Trump doesn't condemn Q worldview or the idea that he is saving them. It is nothing but a loss for him unless there is a conspiracy, and he is in good faith stopping them. As you say, people will lose faith in the "plan". However, they would also be against him, for many reasons, including not denouncing the plan and misleading them. Therefore, even if he is this terrible self-centered person that NPCs claim, the best thing for him to do would have been to denounce the whole worldview. It only makes sense for him not to, if the worldview is true.
I don't think there will be a true domestic terrorist attack as you and them are implying.
I do know that they are using this hypothetical threat of MAGA/Q attackers (again, hasn't happened once) to distract from their failures.
They are using it to support division, which they claimed and lied that Trump and we were doing.
They are using these hypothetical terror threats claims that free speech on the internet is bad.
They call both truth social and Elon buying Twitter "threats to democracy" (when they aren't calling them idiot weak failures, because apparently we are both super strong threats, and weak idiots stupid and uncaring)
By that logic, literally any conversation in any living room is a "threat to democracy", if it isn't being "fact checked"
It seems "threat to democracy" means questioning what they don't want questioned.
Their standard for fact checking figures they like is "well they didn't claim it was for what anyone with pattern recognition can obviously see, therefore its false.
They are making a "department of combatting misinformation" in the department of HOMELAND SECURITY with a leftist partition head, due to these hypothetical terror threats.
There's likely no chance these hypothetical right-wing attacks even happen since they haven't happened yet despite fearmongering from the fake news. Despite this, they have gotten half the population to believe all these terrible things about the other half of the population, and have gotten them to be unable to question the institutions or figures they are told not to question.
If God forbid an actual Q/Trump supporter right-wing terror attack did happen, half of the country would support literally any measure to "protect democracy", especially if questioning it makes you a "MAGA/Q sympathizer". If they support all this scapegoating and division, I'm scared for what the NPCs would support as a response in the event of an actual attack.
I would never contest that sex traffickers of minors exist. We knew that long before Q. I don't even doubt that Cabals exist.
I just doubt that the chan poster Q has anything to do with fighting sex trafficking, or that Trump is being deliberately targeted by this Cabal as some sort of Warrior for Good, or anything like that.
The world is a scary place. It'd be nice to believe that all evil roads lead to one big bad Cabal responsible for everything, but I think the world is far more complicated than that, and that Q theories VASTLY oversimplify the world's problems.
I'm going to be honest: I would bet actual money I could beat Donald Trump in a Q trivia contest.
I don't think Trump really knows or wants to know what "QAnon" is about. Q people are his supporters. That's what he knows. And Trump has always been extremely hesitant to call out his supporters for any reason.
I don't think he has any idea what you guys think "the Plan" is, or how important it is to you that it succeed.
I think he knows you want him back in office, and that you believe that he won 2020, and so he'll continue to talk about it and use that political power as long as he has it. And maybe he'll run in 2024.
But I have never seen any evidence that Q is remotely important to him, and while you will likely see that as Sun Tzu optics, I see it as Trump simply saying what he needs to say to keep his supporters voting for him.
Which includes not deliberately antagonizing the people who see him as a strategic genius who fights pedophiles.
I didn't intend to imply this.
What I do know is that this forum recently had a thread fantasizing about ways to graphically torture politicians while at the same time insisting that any violence committed by alleged Q-aligned people must be a false flag.
You guys believe in a war. A real war with real casualties against real people you can name for alleged crimes that would not only be traitorous, but monstrous.
And if Q isn't fighting these monsters, you still believe it's paranoid for normies to worry about what the "digital soldiers" will consider their marching orders to be in absence of any real soldiers? That's something you can't understand?