I think there are thousands of cases still in administration. For example that navy officer just passed his admin board after refusing vaccine.
That means that every single refuser is going through the admin board process. It takes forever. They can’t just pull a switch and kick out everyone at once. It’s the military. There’s an enormous paperwork machine involved, a process that has to be followed.
First some context: I'm a 24yr (ret) USAF/AFSOC SMSgt
Speaking as removing 3 POS from the military myself, and been co-signatory on a few more, it all depends on the individuals history of behavior in the military. A good supervisor will document both good and bad accomplishments/behavior on each of his/her troops and keep it on file for yearly performance reports. These things matter, no matter how big or small the notation.
A troop with a lot of bad marks, and documented properly, will take no more than 2 weeks (or less) to be removed from service once the decision process has begun to remove him/her. Improper documentation allows a few to slip thru the cracks that shouldn't but then the supervisor takes the hit on their yearly for not doing their job.
Point: if it takes a long time to get someone out, it's because they have nothing to justify the process. This is why it's taking so long for these folks: Refusing the jab was, by the UCMJ, a legal decision on their part as it was an unlawful order. "The Machine" is having to fabricate justification for their removal to prevent the appearance of being at fault. In the military, the appearance of something often overrides the truth or facts of a given situation; i.e. they'll make shit up before they admit being at fault.
Thank you for insight. What sort of accountability process is there for the giving of an unlawful order? Do you think the sheer scale will lead to any semblance of justice for those who have been wronged by the decision?
What sort of accountability process is there for the giving of an unlawful order?
What is SUPPOSED to happen is an investigation on the unlawful order and who gave it and why. Depending on severity of the order; i.e. did it cause or would it cause certain death, disability, or otherwise deplete the capability of forces under your command. This is outside a combat environment, mind you, as it gets a hell of a lot more complicated in a battlezone where a plethora of factors contribute to what constitutes an "unlawful order". Being commanded to fire upon civilians without cause, for instance, is an unlawful order.
I digress.
The simple fact of this is, for this context, the order would have and did kill, disable, and depleted morale and readiness force-wide. At the very least, whomever gave the order is mandatory removed from that position (fired), showing lack of ability to command, and the order remanded immediately. Troops having confidence in their command is a high priority. When that trust is breached by the very ones giving the unlawful order, the brave ones who know its bullshit will make a stand and refuse that order. This creates dysfunction in an organization that requires functionality 24/7. This is backed up by the Armed Forces own legal framework, known as the Uniformed Code of Military Justice or just "UCMJ".
Do you think the sheer scale will lead to any semblance of justice for those who have been wronged by the decision?
This hinges directly on those refusing ability to band together and see it through with the resolve they should have as being an American and American Military Member. They must see it thru legally and politically, never back down, and call any threat they get thrown at them. The means exists to win, if they seek it.
I thought that ship sailed back in the spring where they either complied or got discharged?
I think there are thousands of cases still in administration. For example that navy officer just passed his admin board after refusing vaccine.
That means that every single refuser is going through the admin board process. It takes forever. They can’t just pull a switch and kick out everyone at once. It’s the military. There’s an enormous paperwork machine involved, a process that has to be followed.
First some context: I'm a 24yr (ret) USAF/AFSOC SMSgt
Speaking as removing 3 POS from the military myself, and been co-signatory on a few more, it all depends on the individuals history of behavior in the military. A good supervisor will document both good and bad accomplishments/behavior on each of his/her troops and keep it on file for yearly performance reports. These things matter, no matter how big or small the notation.
A troop with a lot of bad marks, and documented properly, will take no more than 2 weeks (or less) to be removed from service once the decision process has begun to remove him/her. Improper documentation allows a few to slip thru the cracks that shouldn't but then the supervisor takes the hit on their yearly for not doing their job.
Point: if it takes a long time to get someone out, it's because they have nothing to justify the process. This is why it's taking so long for these folks: Refusing the jab was, by the UCMJ, a legal decision on their part as it was an unlawful order. "The Machine" is having to fabricate justification for their removal to prevent the appearance of being at fault. In the military, the appearance of something often overrides the truth or facts of a given situation; i.e. they'll make shit up before they admit being at fault.
Thank you for insight. What sort of accountability process is there for the giving of an unlawful order? Do you think the sheer scale will lead to any semblance of justice for those who have been wronged by the decision?
What is SUPPOSED to happen is an investigation on the unlawful order and who gave it and why. Depending on severity of the order; i.e. did it cause or would it cause certain death, disability, or otherwise deplete the capability of forces under your command. This is outside a combat environment, mind you, as it gets a hell of a lot more complicated in a battlezone where a plethora of factors contribute to what constitutes an "unlawful order". Being commanded to fire upon civilians without cause, for instance, is an unlawful order.
I digress.
The simple fact of this is, for this context, the order would have and did kill, disable, and depleted morale and readiness force-wide. At the very least, whomever gave the order is mandatory removed from that position (fired), showing lack of ability to command, and the order remanded immediately. Troops having confidence in their command is a high priority. When that trust is breached by the very ones giving the unlawful order, the brave ones who know its bullshit will make a stand and refuse that order. This creates dysfunction in an organization that requires functionality 24/7. This is backed up by the Armed Forces own legal framework, known as the Uniformed Code of Military Justice or just "UCMJ".
This hinges directly on those refusing ability to band together and see it through with the resolve they should have as being an American and American Military Member. They must see it thru legally and politically, never back down, and call any threat they get thrown at them. The means exists to win, if they seek it.
You make a good point. Thank you for reminding me of how slowly these things play out.
probably the booster now
Until they're due for the second booster and by now they're openly discussing how they might be being poisoned.