there was a larger conversation around these posts. the main issue is shills, trolls, doomers, fayktriots, injecting a narrative to demoralize the movement.
given the timing and what is at stake, a highly influential site like Jon's may want to take aggressive steps to prevent infiltration. it's a hard call between that and censorship, but I'd give the benefit of the doubt for now.
Well yes , but that case in paragraph one could be made about anything at anytime.....
His chat channel on TM is literally a cult.....if you talk about one of literally a shit ton of subjects they give you the boot.....its actaully a pretty good channel if you enjoy group think and only rah rah stuff though and dont want to question anything about certain people......
Anyway like I said Im not going to stop listening to him or anything, just making observations.
I dont know I have seen discussions about here.....I do think that a high percentage are generally for the idea
Start up a topic , tell us what you see that others are missing and you might be surprised at the results.
But keep in mind that Patel brought TONS and TONS of research to back his claims so coming on and just saying something like ITS BULLSHIT probably wont go over very well...try tomorrow and see.
Jon's research is excellent. very well argued position and credible theory.
that it is the most likely reality I agree with, but how it is being executed, have no idea. there tend to be a dominant interpretation that devolution means Trump controls Biden and everything is a scripted act.
I will say that despite my strong opposition to censorship......after spending some time on channels where there were DONT VOTE people I can understand why Jon might want to avoid them in his TRUTH discussion.....their dooming was off the charts and you could not reason with them in any way about what a bad idea it was.
They just keep repeating the same things over and over like LIBS do....now I realize a percentage of them were likely shills, but I also felt a large percentage were real Patriot types who have bought into the idea and are just frustrated by the progress.
I dont quite want to use brainwashed, but it felt like it was headed in that direction for them.....really weird vibes I got from them.
Seth Keshel is being slammed today by what seem like patriots at the end of their rope. the precipice is hitting the awakened while the normies sleep. the danger is if it fractures our movement.
Okay, if you follow Patel Patriot (Jon) at all you would know that censoring is not his gig. He believes the enemy is pushing stay at home and don't vote because that is how they are able to hide it. The only way we win is by peacefully making our voices heard and every person vote. Doesn't matter who you vote for because the act of voting itself exposes the game. They relied on low voter turnout for years so they could use the non-voters in their scam. So yeah, he has the right to block anyone that pushes their agenda to reply directly to his posts. One can disagree and hang out with the Lin crowd, with no repercussions. We have a choice who to follow, IMHO.
No one said that he doesnt have the right to do as he pleases on his channel......
Im saying that the fact that he does INDEED censor dissenting comments accross a wide range of topics is concerning to me......Censoring IS his gig. Try to talk about Pompeo, Pence, or anyone else like that or any Telegram channel he promotes on his TG and if you try to ask questions about their actions you get banned....
To me a better way of combating the "dont vote" foolishness is to let people discuss it and then have him and his chat explain why it is a bad idea, some people might actaully learn someting and then spread that info themselves...
Not arguing your point directly. I get what you are saying. From my perspective, I turned off TV, cable and radio 7 years ago. I stopped social media (hard stop) on March 21, 2020 due to the covid bs and associated censorship of the same. I no longer watch any mainstream media including Fox News, no sports, and very few movies. In fact, when I do watch on brief occasions I'm disappointed. I have censored the programming. I have censored the bs that wastes my time and my message to me. Im not impacting outside opinion, I just don't care about especially if it assists the enemy. I think that is where Jon is at. He can't kick people off a platform but he can limit their influence on his message. In actuality he is exercising his freedom of expression.
FYI and btw... I see the down vote, that wasn't me. I didn't down vote your comment. I don't down vote unless the point isn't valid and it's usually a handshake shill. I think yours is a valid point, I just disagree. Disagreeing should not warrant a down vote so I will offset. I think the blogs here are for the conversation. I think TS is our new Twitter battlefield, one most of us can no longer partake in the prior due to said censorship that you obviously object to.. I believe that TS is where we break the normies on our side. I could be wrong, hopefully I'm not.
Oh, I dont worry about down votes,although I do laugh when I trigger someone enough go to my comment page and downvote an entire page or two worth of comments....... its easy to click a button....
Also I dont object to him censoring if that is what he wants to do....that is the strategy he chooses to employ......I just trust people less who do decide to censor on such a wide scale.....
the list of banned topics in his TG chat is LOOONG , and his mods act like Authoritarian figures who are pleasant enough on the surface when you comply with the program but will slap your hands with a ruler quickly at the HINT of disobedience....its kinda creepy to me anyway.
Yeah, I'm watching. I may change my stance later, but I know right now the enemy is infiltrating us with discouragement, and I think that is why PP is doing what he is doing. I met him; this is all new to him. If not he is a good actor. I don't get duped much, but it can happen, lol. I'm only anon human btw.
He's got his own channel, and he's exercising control over it. It's kind of like your patio- if a group of people start getting out of control and talk about tipping over the heaters, you ask them to leave.
Channels are free. Anyone can get their own, and talk about it over there. He just doesn't want it on his patio. Sounds fair.
Can an someone here with a TS account ask him something for me? I don't vote here in the UK as all of our politicians are crooked and all the politicians ever do is lie. Any political party that genuinely wants to change our system, lies their ass off. So ask Patel what I should do? Vote for more liars??? It only encourages them...
I understand your frustration. I used to watch the buses on the south side of Chi Town drop off people from location to location. Vote because they can't use your non vote for their purposes. This is how we "caught them all" here. There were way more votes than registered voters in many counties, and in some voting blocks, more than people living there. At some point is becomes mathematically impossible...
True. But people need to know why it's going to make a difference. I'm not an American so I can't vote. If I was, I would. But people who get cheated once are less likely to vote
Hes absolutely right. He doesnt own the network he talks on this is his private coversations with people and can choose what people he wants to listen to just as we all do. The votes are needed if people have not figured that out yet and telling people to not vote is a guarantee you will lose the country.
Im starting to think that pretty much EVERYONE is full of shit these days and they keep rotating the characters who are supposed to be on our side so we dont become disillusioned with any one particular one....or when we start to question certain ones then they move them out of spotlight....
IDK, "unacceptable lines of thought" is pretty much a non-starter for me. And I appreciate the guy's research and theories. But thought police are creepy.
I get where he is coming from. Maybe the midterms and 2024 elections are secured. But how is the American people meant to establish trust when their own allegations of fraud and evidence is regarded as "conspiracies"? I think that's what Patel is missing. If he backtracks and maybe tells us or even hints that the votes will be counted fairly, then he wouldn't be sounding ignorant as he is now.
I sort of get what Patel is talking about. Although I'm generally a free-speech guy, at this late stage of the game, who has time or energy to engage dissenters, trolls, and shills on various "rabbit hole" arguments.... all of that reduces our effectiveness in the REAL battle that is rapidly approaching.
Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is as futile as trying to debate the very people who want to retard our progress. Time is growing short, the storm is almost upon us.... and we want to waste time and energy engaging these irrelevant non-issues?
So. People seeing a guy who actually kept his campaign promises being cheated and clearly rigged against who are then coming to realise that their "free" and "fair" elections are rigged, then deciding it's pointless is some how protesting? They aren't protesting. Their disenfranchised by the illusion of democracy. Nobody is going to vote if they don't think their vote will count. It's like buying a ticket to a venue and being told to fuck off. Would you go to that venue again?
Yet people ARE voting and We ARE winning , havent you been watching the primaries......
Im not suggesting there is still not work to be done but if they are going to cheat then make them work for it.....dont just give up and SURELY not at this stage.....
With the heightened awareness that the votes have been rigged in a lot of ways and those ways being called out, it makes it hard for Anyone to cheat using them so yes, they will still try but, are now cut off from doing certain things without being blasted for it publicly and legally moving forward.. VOTE. America First are winning because, people are voting AND their votes are counting because, the cheating has been choked off. Is it 100% across the board yet? Nope, but you can never win if you do not get involved and at the very least, VOTE.
there was a larger conversation around these posts. the main issue is shills, trolls, doomers, fayktriots, injecting a narrative to demoralize the movement.
given the timing and what is at stake, a highly influential site like Jon's may want to take aggressive steps to prevent infiltration. it's a hard call between that and censorship, but I'd give the benefit of the doubt for now.
Well yes , but that case in paragraph one could be made about anything at anytime.....
His chat channel on TM is literally a cult.....if you talk about one of literally a shit ton of subjects they give you the boot.....its actaully a pretty good channel if you enjoy group think and only rah rah stuff though and dont want to question anything about certain people......
Anyway like I said Im not going to stop listening to him or anything, just making observations.
haven't followed him. good interview with Gregg Philips last week. the devolution group think is on GAW too -- God forbid you question it here.
I dont know I have seen discussions about here.....I do think that a high percentage are generally for the idea
Start up a topic , tell us what you see that others are missing and you might be surprised at the results.
But keep in mind that Patel brought TONS and TONS of research to back his claims so coming on and just saying something like ITS BULLSHIT probably wont go over very well...try tomorrow and see.
Jon's research is excellent. very well argued position and credible theory.
that it is the most likely reality I agree with, but how it is being executed, have no idea. there tend to be a dominant interpretation that devolution means Trump controls Biden and everything is a scripted act.
I will say that despite my strong opposition to censorship......after spending some time on channels where there were DONT VOTE people I can understand why Jon might want to avoid them in his TRUTH discussion.....their dooming was off the charts and you could not reason with them in any way about what a bad idea it was.
They just keep repeating the same things over and over like LIBS do....now I realize a percentage of them were likely shills, but I also felt a large percentage were real Patriot types who have bought into the idea and are just frustrated by the progress.
I dont quite want to use brainwashed, but it felt like it was headed in that direction for them.....really weird vibes I got from them.
Seth Keshel is being slammed today by what seem like patriots at the end of their rope. the precipice is hitting the awakened while the normies sleep. the danger is if it fractures our movement.
Okay, if you follow Patel Patriot (Jon) at all you would know that censoring is not his gig. He believes the enemy is pushing stay at home and don't vote because that is how they are able to hide it. The only way we win is by peacefully making our voices heard and every person vote. Doesn't matter who you vote for because the act of voting itself exposes the game. They relied on low voter turnout for years so they could use the non-voters in their scam. So yeah, he has the right to block anyone that pushes their agenda to reply directly to his posts. One can disagree and hang out with the Lin crowd, with no repercussions. We have a choice who to follow, IMHO.
No one said that he doesnt have the right to do as he pleases on his channel......
Im saying that the fact that he does INDEED censor dissenting comments accross a wide range of topics is concerning to me......Censoring IS his gig. Try to talk about Pompeo, Pence, or anyone else like that or any Telegram channel he promotes on his TG and if you try to ask questions about their actions you get banned....
To me a better way of combating the "dont vote" foolishness is to let people discuss it and then have him and his chat explain why it is a bad idea, some people might actaully learn someting and then spread that info themselves...
Not arguing your point directly. I get what you are saying. From my perspective, I turned off TV, cable and radio 7 years ago. I stopped social media (hard stop) on March 21, 2020 due to the covid bs and associated censorship of the same. I no longer watch any mainstream media including Fox News, no sports, and very few movies. In fact, when I do watch on brief occasions I'm disappointed. I have censored the programming. I have censored the bs that wastes my time and my message to me. Im not impacting outside opinion, I just don't care about especially if it assists the enemy. I think that is where Jon is at. He can't kick people off a platform but he can limit their influence on his message. In actuality he is exercising his freedom of expression.
FYI and btw... I see the down vote, that wasn't me. I didn't down vote your comment. I don't down vote unless the point isn't valid and it's usually a handshake shill. I think yours is a valid point, I just disagree. Disagreeing should not warrant a down vote so I will offset. I think the blogs here are for the conversation. I think TS is our new Twitter battlefield, one most of us can no longer partake in the prior due to said censorship that you obviously object to.. I believe that TS is where we break the normies on our side. I could be wrong, hopefully I'm not.
Oh, I dont worry about down votes,although I do laugh when I trigger someone enough go to my comment page and downvote an entire page or two worth of comments....... its easy to click a button....
Also I dont object to him censoring if that is what he wants to do....that is the strategy he chooses to employ......I just trust people less who do decide to censor on such a wide scale.....
the list of banned topics in his TG chat is LOOONG , and his mods act like Authoritarian figures who are pleasant enough on the surface when you comply with the program but will slap your hands with a ruler quickly at the HINT of disobedience....its kinda creepy to me anyway.
Yeah, I'm watching. I may change my stance later, but I know right now the enemy is infiltrating us with discouragement, and I think that is why PP is doing what he is doing. I met him; this is all new to him. If not he is a good actor. I don't get duped much, but it can happen, lol. I'm only anon human btw.
Blocking somebody is not the same as censorship.
Free speech is about your ability to say whatever you like.
It isn't about forcing anybody to listen.
It is a fine distinction, but a very important one.
He's got his own channel, and he's exercising control over it. It's kind of like your patio- if a group of people start getting out of control and talk about tipping over the heaters, you ask them to leave.
Channels are free. Anyone can get their own, and talk about it over there. He just doesn't want it on his patio. Sounds fair.
If the midterms are safe, then that doesn't mean anything if nobody votes.
"blocking" someone isn't censorship.... They can say anything they want all damn say...
"blocking" is CHOOSING not to listen to fucking bullshit. Show me where the Constitution requires I listen to bullshit...
Correct you dont have to listen to shit.....you can CENSOR it out of sight or sound...
Democrats and bots will be pushing the do not vote FUD.
I understand where he's coming from, but censorship is not the answer.
Can an someone here with a TS account ask him something for me? I don't vote here in the UK as all of our politicians are crooked and all the politicians ever do is lie. Any political party that genuinely wants to change our system, lies their ass off. So ask Patel what I should do? Vote for more liars??? It only encourages them...
I understand your frustration. I used to watch the buses on the south side of Chi Town drop off people from location to location. Vote because they can't use your non vote for their purposes. This is how we "caught them all" here. There were way more votes than registered voters in many counties, and in some voting blocks, more than people living there. At some point is becomes mathematically impossible...
True. But people need to know why it's going to make a difference. I'm not an American so I can't vote. If I was, I would. But people who get cheated once are less likely to vote
Hes absolutely right. He doesnt own the network he talks on this is his private coversations with people and can choose what people he wants to listen to just as we all do. The votes are needed if people have not figured that out yet and telling people to not vote is a guarantee you will lose the country.
Im starting to think that pretty much EVERYONE is full of shit these days and they keep rotating the characters who are supposed to be on our side so we dont become disillusioned with any one particular one....or when we start to question certain ones then they move them out of spotlight....
IDK, just talking out loud......
"Be careful who you follow."
agree with the senitment....
Agreed
IDK, "unacceptable lines of thought" is pretty much a non-starter for me. And I appreciate the guy's research and theories. But thought police are creepy.
I get where he is coming from. Maybe the midterms and 2024 elections are secured. But how is the American people meant to establish trust when their own allegations of fraud and evidence is regarded as "conspiracies"? I think that's what Patel is missing. If he backtracks and maybe tells us or even hints that the votes will be counted fairly, then he wouldn't be sounding ignorant as he is now.
Yeah that line kinda made me tingle....felt like some kind of Authoritarian Commie Govt type comment....
I sort of get what Patel is talking about. Although I'm generally a free-speech guy, at this late stage of the game, who has time or energy to engage dissenters, trolls, and shills on various "rabbit hole" arguments.... all of that reduces our effectiveness in the REAL battle that is rapidly approaching.
Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is as futile as trying to debate the very people who want to retard our progress. Time is growing short, the storm is almost upon us.... and we want to waste time and energy engaging these irrelevant non-issues?
So. People seeing a guy who actually kept his campaign promises being cheated and clearly rigged against who are then coming to realise that their "free" and "fair" elections are rigged, then deciding it's pointless is some how protesting? They aren't protesting. Their disenfranchised by the illusion of democracy. Nobody is going to vote if they don't think their vote will count. It's like buying a ticket to a venue and being told to fuck off. Would you go to that venue again?
Yet people ARE voting and We ARE winning , havent you been watching the primaries......
Im not suggesting there is still not work to be done but if they are going to cheat then make them work for it.....dont just give up and SURELY not at this stage.....
With the heightened awareness that the votes have been rigged in a lot of ways and those ways being called out, it makes it hard for Anyone to cheat using them so yes, they will still try but, are now cut off from doing certain things without being blasted for it publicly and legally moving forward.. VOTE. America First are winning because, people are voting AND their votes are counting because, the cheating has been choked off. Is it 100% across the board yet? Nope, but you can never win if you do not get involved and at the very least, VOTE.