The Greeks invented Dorian, Corinthian, and Ionic columns along with a host of other architectural breakthroughs.
The Romans copied and expanded upon the Greeks discoveries. The Europeans copied and expanded upon the Romans. And so on the pattern continues.
So of course you will see revisioned column work althroughout history. Another anon mentioned the neoclassical period brought about during the Renaissance, and that is exactly what you are seeing.
And it's no secret that the founding fathers viewed America as a sort of new Rome and thus borrowed their architecture as an inspiration for our own. I think some people start going down the rabbit hole, learn that we've been lied to all of our lives and then start concluding everything is therefore a conspiracy where a more simple explanation suffices.
Agreed. Another problem many in our ranks have is blindly trusting rando streamers who claim all of this outlandish shit with little to no empirical evidence.
I can remember many slow (or none at all) Q drop days where the PSB24/7 stream would discuss crap like the mud flood. At it's height, that was a channel that had 100,000+ Q followers and researchers subscribed (assuming YT didn't suppress their sub/view counts).
So that's 100K of us that on dead drop days might've listened to Radix, Thumper, and Deadcat ramble on adnausem, hypothesizing about these type of rabbit holes.
In all honesty, it feels a bit like the flat Earth psyop. Purely distraction, used as a discrediting example against the community for the normies to label us as they are instructed to do so (programming). Im not doubting much of history has been covered up, rewritten, or even lost. But this whole impossible architecture narrative is incredibly weak to my perception. Glad others here can logically see the numerous holes in these convoluted theories.
See, I feel like there's actually much more compelling evidence for flat Earth than there is for the Tartaria theories. Whether that itself is ultimately nonsense or not is besides the point. I'm someone who is genuinely open-minded and willing to entertain the possibility that everything I've been taught is free-game. I don't think anything should be off limits as far as asking questions goes. If nothing else I find these ideas to be fun thought experiments!
That being said, I'm not just dismissing mudfloods/Tartaria out of hand because it goes against what I've been taught. I've actually looked into it myself and I just really didn't find the theory that convincing. I do think mudfloods have happened but that doesn't mean they were deliberately engineered as a planetary scale genocide or whatever. And the observation that buildings in different countries share similar styles of architecture isn't even that difficult to explain. Conventional history about Europeans borrowing their Renaissance styles from antiquity is not exactly that mind-bending.
To me this just seems like a simple occam's razor affair.
Simple. Evolution of architecture into modern design. Out with the old, in with the new methodology.
As for California and Chicago, I cannot say as Im not versed in the events surrounding those cities. But, given that both were disasters with high casualties and infrastructure destruction, one might consider they bricked over entire areas where there was massive loss of life and there was nothing to salvage as far as sublevel infrastructure.
So basically like dozers used in the world wars to build mass graves, the respective cities you mentioned perhaps literally buried the dead. Bricking them in, a form of mausoleum. Most wouldve been charred remains anyhow.
At work, will definitely look later though, thank you!
I would be remiss if not to remind you though, CA was developed many years before the gold rush. The Spanish had been there for quite some time establishing many elaborate buildings and settlements. One of those being the SF area. Very comparable to other Spanish colonies throughout the Americas and Caribbean.
Reading through that, one person claims that it's impossible to construct those types of buildings even now. Really? Is it that it's impossible or rather that the elites choose not to, instead opting to lean into brutalist architecture to create a sense of oppression? How many of these people making these claims are architects and not just speaking out of their ass?
You are overlooking the fact that by the time the gold rush in California happened, the Spanish had been colonizing California since the 16th century and had built a highway system, El Camino Real, which is now a modern road but still there. There was shipping activity at the natural ports of San Diego, Monterey, and San Francisco. It wasn't the frontier. The Oregon Trail brought plenty of people from the east. There were railroads all over the place. And as to craftsmanship, there are and have always been very few artists of Michaelangelo calibre, but they were there. No need to postulate aliens or whatever. It's just hard to get really good when the average lifespan is only about 45, most people die first.
Because it is fantastically expensive now to quarry and work stone. Ask Trump. He is famous for a few marble floors and buildings. Also, marble stains and pits and takes upkeep. Modern resin composites are easier. (why didn't these ancient civilizations do that, if they were so sophisticated?). Granite lasts much better than marble, but is even harder to work and match and not as common. That makes a granite building much more of a prestige project. All stone is heavy compared to steel and concrete and you can't build very high, modern cities require a different construction. Most buildings used to have basements for cool storage, and coal storage, and when new buildings were built they often went over older ones--look at Seattle for a better example. Or Troy. Great fires do not burn stone. That's why the old stone things lasted a long time. Red brick is a cheap alternative and easy to do on site, whereas stone work requires a quarry somewhere and someone to haul the stones.
They want to believe that humans are weak, lazy, unimaginative, helpless, and that their lives are controlled by evil sinister forces, I think. So they have turned to fables.
I have architectural background and still work in construction, Have for decades. I 100% support OP's opinions because I've not only had much first hand experience but have also devoted many years and 1000s of hours of research into this topic.
If it's "fantastically expensive now to quarry and work stone" with the heavy machinery and high tech precision equipment available, how on Earth are we to believe the relatively "primitive" peoples of the past were able to achieve their architectural endeavours?
That is why we don't build such stone things, except for very rich people, and back then it was the same. Very rich people were calling the shots. Like kings. And if you want to see how-to. You Tube is full of many, many theories. Everything from showing how ordinary people used their muscles and brains and time to find away, to all the nihilistic "people can't do anything so it must have been aliens." Geez. How you are insulting thousands of people over thousands of years, saying that.
Because it's revitalizing previous designs.
The Greeks invented Dorian, Corinthian, and Ionic columns along with a host of other architectural breakthroughs.
The Romans copied and expanded upon the Greeks discoveries. The Europeans copied and expanded upon the Romans. And so on the pattern continues.
So of course you will see revisioned column work althroughout history. Another anon mentioned the neoclassical period brought about during the Renaissance, and that is exactly what you are seeing.
And it's no secret that the founding fathers viewed America as a sort of new Rome and thus borrowed their architecture as an inspiration for our own. I think some people start going down the rabbit hole, learn that we've been lied to all of our lives and then start concluding everything is therefore a conspiracy where a more simple explanation suffices.
Agreed. Another problem many in our ranks have is blindly trusting rando streamers who claim all of this outlandish shit with little to no empirical evidence.
I can remember many slow (or none at all) Q drop days where the PSB24/7 stream would discuss crap like the mud flood. At it's height, that was a channel that had 100,000+ Q followers and researchers subscribed (assuming YT didn't suppress their sub/view counts).
So that's 100K of us that on dead drop days might've listened to Radix, Thumper, and Deadcat ramble on adnausem, hypothesizing about these type of rabbit holes.
In all honesty, it feels a bit like the flat Earth psyop. Purely distraction, used as a discrediting example against the community for the normies to label us as they are instructed to do so (programming). Im not doubting much of history has been covered up, rewritten, or even lost. But this whole impossible architecture narrative is incredibly weak to my perception. Glad others here can logically see the numerous holes in these convoluted theories.
See, I feel like there's actually much more compelling evidence for flat Earth than there is for the Tartaria theories. Whether that itself is ultimately nonsense or not is besides the point. I'm someone who is genuinely open-minded and willing to entertain the possibility that everything I've been taught is free-game. I don't think anything should be off limits as far as asking questions goes. If nothing else I find these ideas to be fun thought experiments!
That being said, I'm not just dismissing mudfloods/Tartaria out of hand because it goes against what I've been taught. I've actually looked into it myself and I just really didn't find the theory that convincing. I do think mudfloods have happened but that doesn't mean they were deliberately engineered as a planetary scale genocide or whatever. And the observation that buildings in different countries share similar styles of architecture isn't even that difficult to explain. Conventional history about Europeans borrowing their Renaissance styles from antiquity is not exactly that mind-bending.
To me this just seems like a simple occam's razor affair.
I concur. The simplest answer is usually correct!
Also, kudos on your name if referencing the MTG card! 😉
Why don't people make stuff like that anymore?
Simple. Evolution of architecture into modern design. Out with the old, in with the new methodology.
As for California and Chicago, I cannot say as Im not versed in the events surrounding those cities. But, given that both were disasters with high casualties and infrastructure destruction, one might consider they bricked over entire areas where there was massive loss of life and there was nothing to salvage as far as sublevel infrastructure.
So basically like dozers used in the world wars to build mass graves, the respective cities you mentioned perhaps literally buried the dead. Bricking them in, a form of mausoleum. Most wouldve been charred remains anyhow.
At work, will definitely look later though, thank you!
I would be remiss if not to remind you though, CA was developed many years before the gold rush. The Spanish had been there for quite some time establishing many elaborate buildings and settlements. One of those being the SF area. Very comparable to other Spanish colonies throughout the Americas and Caribbean.
Reading through that, one person claims that it's impossible to construct those types of buildings even now. Really? Is it that it's impossible or rather that the elites choose not to, instead opting to lean into brutalist architecture to create a sense of oppression? How many of these people making these claims are architects and not just speaking out of their ass?
You are overlooking the fact that by the time the gold rush in California happened, the Spanish had been colonizing California since the 16th century and had built a highway system, El Camino Real, which is now a modern road but still there. There was shipping activity at the natural ports of San Diego, Monterey, and San Francisco. It wasn't the frontier. The Oregon Trail brought plenty of people from the east. There were railroads all over the place. And as to craftsmanship, there are and have always been very few artists of Michaelangelo calibre, but they were there. No need to postulate aliens or whatever. It's just hard to get really good when the average lifespan is only about 45, most people die first.
Because it is fantastically expensive now to quarry and work stone. Ask Trump. He is famous for a few marble floors and buildings. Also, marble stains and pits and takes upkeep. Modern resin composites are easier. (why didn't these ancient civilizations do that, if they were so sophisticated?). Granite lasts much better than marble, but is even harder to work and match and not as common. That makes a granite building much more of a prestige project. All stone is heavy compared to steel and concrete and you can't build very high, modern cities require a different construction. Most buildings used to have basements for cool storage, and coal storage, and when new buildings were built they often went over older ones--look at Seattle for a better example. Or Troy. Great fires do not burn stone. That's why the old stone things lasted a long time. Red brick is a cheap alternative and easy to do on site, whereas stone work requires a quarry somewhere and someone to haul the stones.
It seems as if most of the people positing these theories don't have any architectural background and are just fabricating claims.
They want to believe that humans are weak, lazy, unimaginative, helpless, and that their lives are controlled by evil sinister forces, I think. So they have turned to fables.
I have architectural background and still work in construction, Have for decades. I 100% support OP's opinions because I've not only had much first hand experience but have also devoted many years and 1000s of hours of research into this topic.
If it's "fantastically expensive now to quarry and work stone" with the heavy machinery and high tech precision equipment available, how on Earth are we to believe the relatively "primitive" peoples of the past were able to achieve their architectural endeavours?
That is why we don't build such stone things, except for very rich people, and back then it was the same. Very rich people were calling the shots. Like kings. And if you want to see how-to. You Tube is full of many, many theories. Everything from showing how ordinary people used their muscles and brains and time to find away, to all the nihilistic "people can't do anything so it must have been aliens." Geez. How you are insulting thousands of people over thousands of years, saying that.