The Holocaust: Historical Truth Goes By Evidence Not Emotion
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You bring up some great points Andy_Man45. My father was in Germany after the war. I have no reason to believe that my father lied to me about what he saw in the camps. He was attached to a high ranking general and was privy to all kinds of classified information. He was sickened and was deeply affected by what he saw. According to him, it was incomprehensible that people could be that inhumane. He had no doubts as to what happened.
I know many people who's entire immediate and extended families were wiped out and only they survived. I also know several people that decades after the war ended, they were finally told the truth - that they were in fact Jewish children that were raised by Christian families in order to save them. I also personally know people that were born in the refugee camps after the war ended. Many Jews were still kept in camps alongside their German overlords. So, I think we need to approach this whole issue of the denial of wartime atrocities carefully. I put more stock in those that were actually there and saw what happened. Are they all lying? That is ridiculous. Unfortunately, many of those that were eyewitnesses have now passed leaving the floor open for those that may have other agendas to muddy the waters. There is no one living that can refute what appears to be new evidence. How convenient.
Here is another angle to consider. What benefit can be derived by trying to downplay the extent of the extermination? If people can be led to believe that such a thing did not happen, then they would be less likely to think it could happen in our day? Look at all the vaxxine injury deniers. They wouldn't kill thousands of people, if not millions, like that - now would they? They would then be less likely to believe that we can be rounded up and killed in quarantine camps now. It amazes me how people can discount the testimony of millions that were actually there and basically call them liars. We can have an honest debate on the actual numbers and about those responsible, but to discount the events and invalidate the tragedy suffered by so many is beyond cruel. It in itself is inhumane. If we cannot learn by the mistakes of history, we are helpless to keep it from happening again.
Another thing I haven't mentioned yet, this thread was coordinated, you can plainly see it. Same people are involved as always. It's all about hatred of the Jewish people and, by denying it ever happened, makes it possible for it to happen again. Which is what they want, you're right, what other motive could they have?
So, Jews had been living in Germany with apparently no problems for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years, and then one day the German people decided to kill them all?
That doesnt make any sense does it?
Is there more to the story?
Why the hate?
First and Second Reich. The roman catholics have been murdering Jews since they started calling themselves catholics. Is history that hard to study?
I know the holocaust is a big lie, so why should i believe your other narratives?
Thank you. I am always hesitant about jumping into these discussions because, as you stated, it is not about having an honest discussion - it is about platforming hate and to seed doubt for another agenda. I was encouraged to see you chime in as I know you come to the table well prepared. What I worry about is the newbies lurking on these threads. That is the only reason I feel motivated to engage with the haters.
The newbies had a previous username that got called out. There used to be a ANON that had a list of the ones propagating the hate, I'll have to do some looking to find him. The ones that were busted just change their names. That's why all the handshakes are here.
Plus, they recruit to add to their upvotes.
I'm getting worried about GAW, it may go completely over to the enemy. Christianity.win already has, either you praise catholics or you get DELETED.
I think I remember seeing that post about those usernames. I have been engaged I think with such a hater just on this post. Point by point response to a reply filled with.... Do you want to have a discussion, or do you just want to yell your viewpoints about this group or that group being Satan's spawn? I just don't have time for that kind of stuff based on visceral emotion and wanting to argue more than actually exchanging ideas. It is tired.
I really don't pay much attention on the level of the usernames. I am just not that savvy. Other than this board, I don't do social media at all. But, like you said, I have seen some crazy conversations lately that are different. Lots of bashing of this group or that group based on the same tired old narratives that make the rounds every few years that have been around for at least the last several hundred years or so. I don't spend anywhere near the time I used to here because of the direction it is headed. Mostly, it is a way to catch up on headlines. The anons are way ahead getting the news out.
I miss VOAT.
What SPECIFICALLY did he claim to see? And was he a jew?
That means the entire family was NOT wiped out. Typhoid killed a lot of people in Europe at that time, and starvation at the end of the war (with no food supplies) probably killed some more. Sad, but let's be real about what happened.
Many Germans were held in camps by Americans (Eisenhower). There may have been some German jews in that mix.
Many of them have been liars, yes. Many jews have ADMITTED it on camera that they lied. And why would that be?
Because the jewish religion teaches that it is ok to lie IF it promotes a "good cause" in the jew's eyes. They have used this as their excuse, such as "Sure it was not true, but people must remember the horror." Never mind that the horror was a made-up fantasy, which is why they had to lie about it in the first place.
Yes, that tends to happen when you sumarily execute people without a trial, or provide only a kangaroo court hearing for those who were tortured into confession. You tend to be left with no one who can refute what the surviving liars have to say.
If there was no extermination, then there is no benefit, and only harm, by believing lies.
The truth is the ONLY thing that matters.
And that is EXACTLY what many jews who admitted to lying about it said. They said they lied so that it would never happen again (nevermind that "it" didn't happen in the first place).
You have GOT to be fucking kidding me. The people who believe the bullshit Holocaust story ... are the EXACT people who INSISTED that non-vaxxers BE ROUNDED UP and put into quarantine camps.
They are a strange breed because they deny that anyone is going to round up people ... and then when the Coof hits ... they INSIST that people be rounded up.
These people are NOT thinking rationally. Maybe if they understood the lies surrounding 1930's Germany, they would be better equipped to think it through.
Maybe the lies are a part of the reason why they tend to not think critically. If you believe in lies, you are bound to be a little off in your thinking.
Now, THAT is a lie.
There were NOT "millions" of people who testified to gas chambers and mass murder AND were there to see it (but somehow, these "eye witnesses" were the only ones who did NOT get such treatment).
Nobody denies there were prison camps. There were also prison camps in America for the Japanese.
But as far as a program to exterminate jews in German and Polish prison camps, via gas chambers, there are NOT "millions" of eye witness accounts.
There MIGHT be dozens. And many of those have ADMITTED that they were NOT there and were NOT eye witnesses, though they CLAIMED to be. And they specifically say they lied because they BELIEVED the stories and they wanted to preserve the stories.
IOW, it is ok to lie if it promotes a "good" cause.
That is EXACTLY what the jews are taught by their Talmud, so it should not be a surprise when they follow their religion.
And ... this is WHY so many people have hated jews throughout history. It is not merely because of their religion. It is because of their BEHAVIOR, which is influenced by their religion.
Not ALL jews act this way. But ALL jews BENEFIT from other jews who DO, and so most jews are not honest enough to acknowledge it.
Jews, more than anyone else, need to WAKE THE FUCK UP about the history of WHY so many people hated their ancestors. Maybe they can change the world, if they do. Just like this rabbi explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTB5SoyYzq4
There is no reason to argue over what obviously are your strongly held viewpoints and to argue semantics. I respectfully don't happen to agree and my viewpoints are based upon my own research and contact with numerous people that actually lived through those horrors that you seem so quick to dismiss - and that is okay. You are entitled to have those viewpoints and I will continue to defend your right to have them.
And no, my father was not Jewish - not that whether he was Jewish or not makes any difference here. He saw first hand what those camps looked like when the Allies went in. There was a great deal of coverup that took place. Simply because it was that bad. He was attached to a general tasked with post war reconstruction and to some extent - the coverups. The goal at that point was to put as much of it in the rear view mirror as possible and bury the rest. All the stuff about moving high level Nazis out of Europe are true. There is so much the public is clueless about and things are never what the narratives claimed. The first redpill my father fed me - the government always lies.
I will give you one story. I do not remember which particular camp he was speaking about, but he told me there was a cement channel that led from the crematorium to the river. When the bodies were in the ovens there was blood that was released from the process. When he went into the camp the blood was still visible as a stain in that channel that was at least 6 inches high. I don't remember exactly how wide the channel was - maybe about a foot. When he realized what he was looking at, he immediately became ill. That was just one thing he saw that affected him till the day he died.
They evidently were burning bodies up until the time the allies liberated the camp - if that is what you call it. They did not just release people that were being held in the camps. There was no place for them to go and what was left of the surrounding governing structures did not want this flood of refuges released. They were starving and they were sick. So, they were kept in the camps and some remained for several years because there was simply no place for them to go. So yes, there were German military prisoners along side those that had been their captives. There was no place to put the German prisoners until they were processed.
Jews were not the only ones being held in those camps and they were not the only ones that were brutalized - but it seems they are the group, for better or for worse, that people want to either hold up, or to demonize.
Thank you for taking the time to give such a detailed response to my reply. Excuse me if I do not respond point by point as you have done. It is obvious that you are not going to sway my views, nor would I, yours. But again, that is okay.
I'm not really interested in arguing with you.
You have stated your opinion.
I have stated my opinion.
It's really for others who read through to decide for themselves what makes more sense:
Thank you. Very well then. I can appreciate where you are coming from.