And you should read this VIROLIEGY post specifically about some of Kirsch's earlier claims (and most anything else on the site for that matter), as well as the many posts by u/Morpheus11 on the topic.
I find those like Kirsch who are valuable to us for all their criticisms of the vaccine while insisting on the existence of viruses to be serving in the role of limited hangouts. They reveal some truths to those who are already persuaded to believe them anyway, all the while never ranging far and wide enough to bring more fundamental and insidious aspects under the light. The circular and unscientific nature of virology is never considered, nor is its blatant misuse of language to obscure or change meaning (e.g., "isolation").
The limited hangouts give vaccine skeptics lots to chew on while keeping their gaze from ever coming to rest on the more central question of virus existence. That's because unquestioning belief in an invisible entity on which essentially anything can be blamed, and on which people have to trust the experts is more valuable than believing in the effectiveness of vaccines. The concept of a virus is the supreme weapon in the arsenal of those who thrive on deception, and must be defended at all costs.
Yeah, I read it many days ago. And wrote a whole bunch about it here in a thread a few days ago.
Steve is a double-jabbed, lifelong liberal who's donated millions to the likes of Hillary and Obama over the years. He still believes in "experts/authorities" and has demonstrated that he isn't interested in any other perspectives.
I support his anti-jab efforts, but he's lost in the logical "appeal to authority" fallacy when it comes to leprechaun viruses.
Net-Net - he's still 98% brainwashed. He's only recently realized that ALL VAXES aren't proven "safe & effective", but he still advocates for them nonetheless.
Steve's gotta lot to learn. You can sift through my comments from a few days ago for a full breakdown on everything Steve and his trained virology buddies choose to ignore.
Interesting. I'm at a point where I'm not too sure what to believe in -- anything seems possible at the moment.
Though, common sense tells me that viruses like the flu virus exists. When my wife gets sick, then everyone else in the family catches it.
One might argue that it's a parasite as opposed to a virus, but one thing for sure is that there exists a contagious entity that can cause the human body to become sick and ill.
Yep, this is the big stumbling block for almost everybody. I totally understand.
The very dissatisfying and highly disappointing rebuttal to this is that it is worry-concern-fear that leads to this situation. There's a reason most first year medical students are hypochondriacs. The same phenomenon is at work when we think somebody near to us is "contagious".
I go much further and suggest that all disease arises from a variety of different life situations that catch us off guard in which we cannot quickly resolve. Our psyche responds by making various adjustments to our tissues, organs, bones etc. to help us deal with the conflict and ultimately resolve it.
Doesn't "it stink" when your wife or kids come home with the flu? Think that through and see if you can connect the dots...if you'd like. If you don't, then don't. But keep that open-mind. It will go a long way in the times ahead.
You can read some of my prior comments here on the board for my much longer explanations as to how and why nobody has ever demonstrated the existence of a theoretical virus.
What I find most surprising here on GA is that so few realize the propagandists, or "disinfo agents", are ACTIVELY creating material for the rapidly growing population of "conspiracy theorists" out there. The mainstream propaganda is ready made, following decades of indoctrination and brainwashing for all of us. They're having to gin up a lot of new stuff to keep the growing conspiracy crowd confused.
Are there biolabs in Ukraine? Of course there are. But I'd suggest they aren't doing any "gain of function virus reserach" at all. What they're involved in is far more sinister.
I believe viruses (and bacteria) are real…but I am questioning germ theory (theory that bacteria, fungi, parasites, viruses) are responsible solely for disease, as opposed to the terrain theory, which states that something is going on in the body (inflammation, mildly sub-optimal health, vitamin and micronutrient deficiencies) which then allow disease agents (from above groups, including viruses) to get a foothold in a persons body to then create illness. Interesting to see the different people who put forth those competing ideas…and who had the backing of the elite to win the day…I seem to remember some deathbed confession about germ theory wrong…or something. Interesting stuff.
I think Kirsch is more than confused. I think his mission is to keep folks from questioning the existence of viruses at all costs. He gives us dirt on the vaxx at no cost, because we already think it's deadly, but he always guards the temple of the virus.
He's smart, knows how to do research, and is not vested (as far as we know) in the idea of a virus. And yet he pulls out all stops to engage in full on sophistry and outright denial whenever the precious virus is threatened. And it is extremely precious to those who want to control us.
Great analysis (and thanks for the previous shoutout).
Don't forget that Kirsch runs the "Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF)" as his philanthropic passion to help humankind. I don't know how many people he employs, nor how long he's been running his foundation. But what I do know with certainty is that if there were no such thing as viruses, there would be no need for the VSRF any longer either.
Suffice it to say, he's got a little more than just a vested interest in keeping the virus story alive.
I've requested a phone call with him 3 times now. He keeps asking for someone to explain how he got covid from his wife, if not a virus. It's too complicated an explanation to do in writing, and possibly too unbelievable to process even after thoroughly explained. Nonetheless, I keep pushing him.
He has engaged in some back and forth banter with me, but as soon as I say; "hey Steve, let's have a quick chat/zoom to clarify some things", he goes quiet on me.
Net-Net - His sincerity appears to be highly dubious in my estimation, as you rightly point out as well.
Didn't know about the VSRF. It's amazing that you've had dialog with him.
I think I've read some of your explanation about contagion, etc. You're right, I didn't completely follow. But then I didn't try too hard, because I didn't need an alternate to the germ/virus theory in order to jettison both. Knowing the actual cause is great, but even without knowing it, one should still be able to see why the purported cause can't work.
You should read this
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-viruses-dont-exist-then-how-can
And you should read this VIROLIEGY post specifically about some of Kirsch's earlier claims (and most anything else on the site for that matter), as well as the many posts by u/Morpheus11 on the topic.
I find those like Kirsch who are valuable to us for all their criticisms of the vaccine while insisting on the existence of viruses to be serving in the role of limited hangouts. They reveal some truths to those who are already persuaded to believe them anyway, all the while never ranging far and wide enough to bring more fundamental and insidious aspects under the light. The circular and unscientific nature of virology is never considered, nor is its blatant misuse of language to obscure or change meaning (e.g., "isolation").
The limited hangouts give vaccine skeptics lots to chew on while keeping their gaze from ever coming to rest on the more central question of virus existence. That's because unquestioning belief in an invisible entity on which essentially anything can be blamed, and on which people have to trust the experts is more valuable than believing in the effectiveness of vaccines. The concept of a virus is the supreme weapon in the arsenal of those who thrive on deception, and must be defended at all costs.
Yeah, I read it many days ago. And wrote a whole bunch about it here in a thread a few days ago.
Steve is a double-jabbed, lifelong liberal who's donated millions to the likes of Hillary and Obama over the years. He still believes in "experts/authorities" and has demonstrated that he isn't interested in any other perspectives.
I support his anti-jab efforts, but he's lost in the logical "appeal to authority" fallacy when it comes to leprechaun viruses.
Net-Net - he's still 98% brainwashed. He's only recently realized that ALL VAXES aren't proven "safe & effective", but he still advocates for them nonetheless.
Steve's gotta lot to learn. You can sift through my comments from a few days ago for a full breakdown on everything Steve and his trained virology buddies choose to ignore.
Interesting. I'm at a point where I'm not too sure what to believe in -- anything seems possible at the moment.
Though, common sense tells me that viruses like the flu virus exists. When my wife gets sick, then everyone else in the family catches it.
One might argue that it's a parasite as opposed to a virus, but one thing for sure is that there exists a contagious entity that can cause the human body to become sick and ill.
Yep, this is the big stumbling block for almost everybody. I totally understand.
The very dissatisfying and highly disappointing rebuttal to this is that it is worry-concern-fear that leads to this situation. There's a reason most first year medical students are hypochondriacs. The same phenomenon is at work when we think somebody near to us is "contagious".
I go much further and suggest that all disease arises from a variety of different life situations that catch us off guard in which we cannot quickly resolve. Our psyche responds by making various adjustments to our tissues, organs, bones etc. to help us deal with the conflict and ultimately resolve it.
Doesn't "it stink" when your wife or kids come home with the flu? Think that through and see if you can connect the dots...if you'd like. If you don't, then don't. But keep that open-mind. It will go a long way in the times ahead.
You can read some of my prior comments here on the board for my much longer explanations as to how and why nobody has ever demonstrated the existence of a theoretical virus.
What I find most surprising here on GA is that so few realize the propagandists, or "disinfo agents", are ACTIVELY creating material for the rapidly growing population of "conspiracy theorists" out there. The mainstream propaganda is ready made, following decades of indoctrination and brainwashing for all of us. They're having to gin up a lot of new stuff to keep the growing conspiracy crowd confused.
Are there biolabs in Ukraine? Of course there are. But I'd suggest they aren't doing any "gain of function virus reserach" at all. What they're involved in is far more sinister.
I believe viruses (and bacteria) are real…but I am questioning germ theory (theory that bacteria, fungi, parasites, viruses) are responsible solely for disease, as opposed to the terrain theory, which states that something is going on in the body (inflammation, mildly sub-optimal health, vitamin and micronutrient deficiencies) which then allow disease agents (from above groups, including viruses) to get a foothold in a persons body to then create illness. Interesting to see the different people who put forth those competing ideas…and who had the backing of the elite to win the day…I seem to remember some deathbed confession about germ theory wrong…or something. Interesting stuff.
I think Kirsch is more than confused. I think his mission is to keep folks from questioning the existence of viruses at all costs. He gives us dirt on the vaxx at no cost, because we already think it's deadly, but he always guards the temple of the virus.
He's smart, knows how to do research, and is not vested (as far as we know) in the idea of a virus. And yet he pulls out all stops to engage in full on sophistry and outright denial whenever the precious virus is threatened. And it is extremely precious to those who want to control us.
Great analysis (and thanks for the previous shoutout).
Don't forget that Kirsch runs the "Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF)" as his philanthropic passion to help humankind. I don't know how many people he employs, nor how long he's been running his foundation. But what I do know with certainty is that if there were no such thing as viruses, there would be no need for the VSRF any longer either.
Suffice it to say, he's got a little more than just a vested interest in keeping the virus story alive.
I've requested a phone call with him 3 times now. He keeps asking for someone to explain how he got covid from his wife, if not a virus. It's too complicated an explanation to do in writing, and possibly too unbelievable to process even after thoroughly explained. Nonetheless, I keep pushing him.
He has engaged in some back and forth banter with me, but as soon as I say; "hey Steve, let's have a quick chat/zoom to clarify some things", he goes quiet on me.
Net-Net - His sincerity appears to be highly dubious in my estimation, as you rightly point out as well.
We shall see...
Didn't know about the VSRF. It's amazing that you've had dialog with him.
I think I've read some of your explanation about contagion, etc. You're right, I didn't completely follow. But then I didn't try too hard, because I didn't need an alternate to the germ/virus theory in order to jettison both. Knowing the actual cause is great, but even without knowing it, one should still be able to see why the purported cause can't work.