I will admit that I don't know what happens in the side degrees, but FM proper is basically grown ups playing panto and collecting for charity (including their own).
How the F are you guys on this board talking about Freemasonry is a nice organization.
That's certainly not what I'm saying.
Literally 99% of FM's are not high level power brokers or are participants in any of the side degrees.
The other 1% I cannot say, but I certainly have my doubts based on a lot of information I see out there.
That sounds like an organisation that has been infiltrated at the top levels and the lower levels are used as a way to deflect attention.
The trouble is, hard evidence is actually quite hard to come by. I've looked. I've also read Albert Pike's book, which is probably the hardest evidence I have - but it isn't exactly corroborated material. For example, I would expect that to reach 33rd degree as part of those side-groups (i.e. not the main body of FM) you would probably have to be selected by people who are also evil arseholes - hence the people they would pick are either
a)already compromised or
b) open to being compromised.
So which one was Albert Pike? If he was compromised, how can we trust what he says is 100% truth?
For context, I've met lots of people in FM from all walks of life, from plumbers, gamekeepers, accountants, techies, farmers, businessmen, policemen, shopkeepers, postmasters etc. etc. If I were to befriend some of them and create my own little 'club' for nefarious ends - would that be Freemasonry - or would that be me violating everything I hold dear in life for personal gain? (i.e. personal responsibility).
Lots of good people are...the freemasons dont control dick
Thank you.
I will admit that I don't know what happens in the side degrees, but FM proper is basically grown ups playing panto and collecting for charity (including their own).
That's certainly not what I'm saying.
Literally 99% of FM's are not high level power brokers or are participants in any of the side degrees.
The other 1% I cannot say, but I certainly have my doubts based on a lot of information I see out there.
That sounds like an organisation that has been infiltrated at the top levels and the lower levels are used as a way to deflect attention.
The trouble is, hard evidence is actually quite hard to come by. I've looked. I've also read Albert Pike's book, which is probably the hardest evidence I have - but it isn't exactly corroborated material. For example, I would expect that to reach 33rd degree as part of those side-groups (i.e. not the main body of FM) you would probably have to be selected by people who are also evil arseholes - hence the people they would pick are either
a)already compromised or
b) open to being compromised.
So which one was Albert Pike? If he was compromised, how can we trust what he says is 100% truth?
For context, I've met lots of people in FM from all walks of life, from plumbers, gamekeepers, accountants, techies, farmers, businessmen, policemen, shopkeepers, postmasters etc. etc. If I were to befriend some of them and create my own little 'club' for nefarious ends - would that be Freemasonry - or would that be me violating everything I hold dear in life for personal gain? (i.e. personal responsibility).
Lower level ones, sure. But once you reach certain levels, no.
Wrong. 100% wrong.
Haha no.
Haha yes. Freemasonry leadership is jews. Do your research.
I have. You are wrong. Sorry.