I have a friend who I talk to about geopolitics and he is on the opposite side of the political spectrum but actually pretty cool and open to debate.
He can go so far with me on certain matters but not when it comes to DJT his emotions get the better of him and he draws upon a lot of propaganda talking points, most of which I'm easily able to refute.
Recently he hit me with "Trump's mentor was a child abuser" and it was bit of a curve ball as I'll be honest, I didn't have any knowledge on Ray Cohn or his relationship to Trump.
My friend shared the following article with me: https://web.archive.org/web/20200705071114/https://villagemagazine.ie/trumps-mentor-and-the-abuse-of-a-teenage-boy-from-kincora-by-joseph-de-burca/
I don't really have anything to go back to him with as it's near impossible to find anything related to this subject which isn't one sided and I get to a point in searching where it feels like confirmation bias.
I figured I could potentially get a more balanced view of this relationship from the pedes here.
I feel like if I can get him past this then I can open his eyes to so much more. I'm not giving up on him, I'm hoping time will do the job for me and it is to a certain extent but this mental roadblock needs to be lifted.
What y'all got?
Roy Cohn aided Joseph McCarthy and both men were relentlessly smeared in what would become a beta test for how the Left deals with conservative criticism.
They certainly honed their methods over the years but the light of truth is cutting them down now.
Even if the tidbit is true, is he saying that guilt by association (without proof that PDJT is also like that) is enough to discredit/criminalize someone? No "presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty?
How many boy scouts and altar boys had pedos as their mentors? Were they ALL molested? Have they ALL become pedos? Or, were some (many?, most?) totally unaware of their mentors' proclivity? Did most, even those who were harmed, grow up to be fine, upstanding men, husbands and fathers who woukd never even consider pedophilia?
He may be hanging his opinion on something very tenuous so he doesn't have to actually change his position.
"He may be hanging his opinion on something very tenuous so he doesn't have to actually change his position."
I had considered this a couple of times and it felt like I had him a bit against the wall. Did feel a bit like be was grasping at straws but I was like where the hell did this come from and like say, at that point I didn't have a response. I felt like there was more to it and I'm glad I asked here.q
At this point so much is happening so fast that it's forcing him to reconsider on certain things.
I won't be debating with him for a few months as he is now living on a hippy commune in Spain so who knows will have happened by the time he's back!
I don't know much about Ray Cohn. Never heard about him being a child abuser, though. Just that he possibly had shady business dealings, but that was from the MSM.
He can't have been worse than Obama's "mentor," but I guess that's whataboutism.
It looks to me like a situation where you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Trump has spent time over the years with lots of bad people. How else would you get to know exactly who it is you’re up against? He’s made connections and observations everywhere....Think of him as a double Agent 😎
This is the conclusion I am coming to. I have gained much broader perspective and understanding of the environment and people involved in this subject. Thanks for taking the time to respond. 🙂
Can’t add much to the Roy Cohen story other than he was considered a very intelligent and accomplished lawyer and that’s probably why Trump had him as his lawyer. What he did in his off hours is anyone’s guess absent any proof. I have no idea what my lawyer is into during his off hours. I just hire him because he’s really smart and knows the law. As far as your friend disliking Trump, I find men who have an inferiority complex really dislike him. After all, he’s a billionaire who’s married to a supermodel. They’re all jealous and operate on their feelings. They won’t even acknowledge or give credit to his accomplishments. Real men, not cucks, admire and really like the kind of man Trump is. Same goes for women.
Makes sense from the legal perspective.
Also can see your point of view on private matters.
After talking privately I now also think there is something to be said and looked into with regards to certain religious organisations and their ties to politics.
I think Trump had a clean operation and kept his enemies close..
I agree.
I found a Vanity Fair article about Trump and Cohn that, although not what you want to hear, is still an interesting read. It should help to put the relationship into some perspective. It is not a total hit piece like some.
You could look at it this way, in 2016 the American public had a choice between someone whose mentor was a dubious lawyer or someone whose mentor was ex-KKK.
honestly at this point it sounds like every rich and powerful person in NYC is connected to child abusers. idk I've followed Trump for forever and am unaware of this smear.
I had heard of the Kinocra boys school abuse but not of this character or this smear to Trump. I understand to get to the top you have to mix with some criminals and unsavoury people but that's not a good enough answer I feel.
The purity test they demand of Trump is astounding. They're literally the party of pedophiles and the kkk.....
Well of course - that's the objective of all enemy propaganda. Irrational conditioned responses vs. the emotional freedom to take part in true critical thinking and dialogue.
Researching down obscure/speculative rabbit holes like mentors, etc., seems far less central and may veer far from the point of what's actually going on.
It’s like so many blind alleys, being seeded out into public forums like flak around fighter planes. To distract from the deliberate origins of obedient compulsive Trump hate.
Maybe getting them curious as to why even intelligent people like your friend could fall oh-so-obediently into emotion-driven Trump hatred/TDS, would be a possible approach.
They may not believe in mass immunity to covid, i.e. - but may hold a belief system that they're immune from propaganda? Vulnerablility vs. invincibility (and who really is 'immune', if ads and propaganda at least tug at everyone's emotions?)
Logical to explore such questions, but victims can also be extremely resistant to their own cult deprogramming - because it has been so skillfully and ruthlessly administered. Weapons grade.
So WHY MUST the electorate be brought to loathe Trump at all costs?
Because the CCP (current puppets i.e. Marxist useful idiots pushing depraved globalists agendas) ’HATES Trump’. He is their antagonist.
Marxism has never been about ‘evolutionary’ ideology - it has always been about returning people and nations attempting empowered citizenry, back into compliant, fear-based serfs. Anyone attempting escape is to be brought back to the plantation.
So currently, the CCP/globalists/allies and their captured (strategically bribed, threatened blackmailed) Mainstream Media has been continuously churning out military weapons-grade propaganda against nationalist Trump. (Except Rachel Maddow, of course. Her $30 million or so/year was for pure, unbiased journalism.)
https://presentdangerchina.org
Committee on the Present Danger_ China
https://rumble.com/vbgrfl-seeding-the-vote-chinas-influence-in-the-2020-us-general-election.html
Seeding the Vote_ China’s Influence in the 2020 US General Election
It is absolutely guaranteed - a skillful psyop could take ANYONE, and design a propaganda campaign that would make most (unguarded, unthinking) people of normally good will, totally and irrationally hate their target. They can’t allow elections ‘of, by and for the people’.
So unconsciously inculcated Trump hate (or hatred of any other nationalist populist candidates threatening their takeover) is a very key part of a militarized assault on our elections. Without it they fall.
I have had a tip to watch the Netflix docuseries "the family."
That's shall be my next port of call.