Oh 100%, if the US fought a real war, it would lose harder than Poland did in WW2.
Its just horribly unprepared.
The only saving grace the US has is China is even more incompetent, and Russia, well the only way the US would fight Russia in a conventional war is if the US went to Russia to fight the war. Which case it WILL lose because nobody in history, no matter their advantages, has ever beat Russians in Russia, and there was no shortage of people trying all throughout history.
But as far a military power goes...
Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>> USA > China (mostly from officer incompetence)
Why Russia ranked so highly? They haven't forgotten the basics of warfare: that artillery does 90% of the work, and the only thing better than artillery is more artillery shooting bigger guns. Combined that with a slow advance that never exposes their flanks or out paces their supply lines, and the Russian military doctrine is very, very hard to beat when they have artillery and armor to back them up.
And in case you doubt me on China, I saw recently a video of China showing off one of their special forces units and they were showing off their China-made special gun for the special forces... And then they panned over the targets, the bullets were all keyholding (aka tumbling sideways) inside of 5 yards. And remember this is their spec ops guns, the best for the best of the best of the best. now imagine the garbage their conscript infantry has.
Communist Mao China used SOVIET made guns, and everything else, and they still failed horribly. We'll see when China inevitably launches an aggressive war, what Chinese weapons kill more of, China's own soldiers, or its enemy.
And yes I am being absolutely brutal putting the USM only slightly ahead of China. US officers are largely highly competent, but US equipment also sucks, its mostly worn out, expensive, hard to maintain cold-war stuff, and the US military is currently built around the idea of fighting small bands of irregulars, not a huge force on force peer wars. The US isn't ready, the collapse of morale from the fallout of Covid, followed by a record number of personnel seeking discharges, has gutted its readiness.
“ I don’t think anons realize how bonkers American hegemony really is. The US military has power unlike anything mankind has ever known, and that’s just what is revealed to us plebs. The most advanced technologies are made here, by American companies. We have the equivalent firepower of the rest of humanity combined, and with all of the newest equipment in every field. The domination of US military, culture and technology will remain absolute for a looong time. The only way the US might fall is from within, but if we get a relatively sane man in, then we can start drilling the oil beneath our feet and it’s over, the economy is fixed and our Pax Americana will remain for generations, at the very least. I’m only scratching the surface of how powerful the US and it’s military is.
The real insanity is how powerful a united West is. NATO is absolutely unstoppable. We really lucked out with it. The only way this crumbles is from within, and it might, but if we successfully stomp out the liberal hive mind we will develop an immunity to it like a vaccine. Basically, if the US gets it’s shit together, if we fire all of the fifth columns and wake up the populace, society is going to enter into a golden age.
Just go do some research on how mighty the US military is. You don’t have to think hard on the soft power, it’s all around you, but I don’t think anons realize that the US military is truly at an insane level of competence.”
Art of war is making both appear true. Realistically, we almost certainly have a couple gens of advancement beyond where our conventional junk more or less stalled. With a Space Force consisting of the most advanced stuff, US mainland is basically unassailable, conventional forces not needed. If they aren't needed, you can project w/e image you want. Both, most definitely, CAN be true.
Doomer porn is fun, but the reality is that we are light years ahead of the Russians and the Chicoms. Its obvious.
Now, do we want to try invading either of them? Certainly not. But our recent experiences in Afghanistan aren't comparable because we were under VERY strict RoE. That would not be the case in a peer-to-peer conflict. It wouldn't be a cakewalk like Iraq of course.
Such a conflict won't occur unless Putin loses his mind and invades someone other than Ukraine, or if the Chicoms decide we are stretched too thin to defend Taiwan. And even then, that will mostly be Naval and Air, not Ground.
The EU is and always was the enemy of America. Only since they lost WW2, the Germans realized to defeat America and steal its wealth, they needed political strategy, not a hard power military one. And thus the EU was born, the EU lobbies were born, and Germans and EU billionaires started a comprehensive plan to conquer the USA with politics and economics to ensure the lion's shair of the US's productivity went to the EU, and the EU always got first-pick of the USA's production. China did the same, and China gets 2nd pick. America last, and they used the democrats to get it all done.
GERMANY IS A MORTAL ENEMY OF AMERICA and was NEVER at any point its friend. From the revolution to the current day, Europeans have always been trying to destroy America. They are tyrants who hate freedom, Its why hundreds of millions fled to the Western Hemisphere to escape Europe in the colonial ages, and they seethe in xenophobic rage that America is greater than their old, petty fiefdoms.
The democrats are traitors, and the EU, particularly the Germans, are our mortal enemies. Do you think it was an accident there were Dominion servers in Germany that were raided by the US Army? China might have paid for it, but it was Germans, particularly Klaus and company, that organized the coup of America.
Oh and what other nation does Germany HAAAAATE? Oh right Russia, only fought like 15 wars with them through history, including both world wars. Germany has been trying to destory Russia for 100's of years, and 2022 is no different than any year prior.
America needs to realize who its real enemies are: Germany and China.
I beg to differ. The U.S. military is shit hot. And even a coalition of foreign militaries would be hard pressed to stop us. The problem is with the politicians. See, [they] figured out during Korea and Vietnam that if [they] control the "rules" of engagement, [they] can control our military more effectively than anything else. Once the combatant commands figure out just whose side these pols are really on, the bullshit stops. Even with this "woke" mess, the amount of "woke" military members is such a small, small subset of small sunset in the military that it doesn't matter. The ship will right itself.
All weakness in the USM is 100% the fault of politicans. From bad equipment to forced vaxxing that pushed life long career members out, to the safe space regiments that will crumple like wet napkins...ALL of it is pushed by DC.
From the Joint Cheifs on down, the military is ferocious machine. The problem is the DoD and the Congress.
the big combloc stuff isn't like more complicated versions of super reliable AK47's, it's either ineffective targets like the t-72s or just shit like the russian navy and air force. Most of em are welded to the pier or 90% cannibalized sitting in hangers to keep the other 10% going.
Sure,but shit in numbers big enough is just enough.Soviet Russian T35 vs German Tigers. Of course they had Land-Lease from USA. So they lost "only" 13,7% of population,not 86.3% and were in Berlin in 1945 not in 1955.
Surely Russia wouldn't be able occupy USA ever. But neither USA nor whole NATO will be able to occupy Russia (at least against the will of Russians) too,even if some of my dumbest Polish fellow citizens might think otherwise after being brainwashed. Ruin - of course (ending "nuke and be nuked" then),occupy - no. Come on,Afghanistan would be small fart...
The real problem is many of those military equipment from Ukraine is stolen. What if it goes really to China and CHINESE "blue helmets" are trained to use it ? That would be absolute nightmare.
Oh 100%, if the US fought a real war, it would lose harder than Poland did in WW2.
Its just horribly unprepared.
The only saving grace the US has is China is even more incompetent, and Russia, well the only way the US would fight Russia in a conventional war is if the US went to Russia to fight the war. Which case it WILL lose because nobody in history, no matter their advantages, has ever beat Russians in Russia, and there was no shortage of people trying all throughout history.
But as far a military power goes...
Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>> USA > China (mostly from officer incompetence)
Why Russia ranked so highly? They haven't forgotten the basics of warfare: that artillery does 90% of the work, and the only thing better than artillery is more artillery shooting bigger guns. Combined that with a slow advance that never exposes their flanks or out paces their supply lines, and the Russian military doctrine is very, very hard to beat when they have artillery and armor to back them up.
And in case you doubt me on China, I saw recently a video of China showing off one of their special forces units and they were showing off their China-made special gun for the special forces... And then they panned over the targets, the bullets were all keyholding (aka tumbling sideways) inside of 5 yards. And remember this is their spec ops guns, the best for the best of the best of the best. now imagine the garbage their conscript infantry has.
Communist Mao China used SOVIET made guns, and everything else, and they still failed horribly. We'll see when China inevitably launches an aggressive war, what Chinese weapons kill more of, China's own soldiers, or its enemy.
And yes I am being absolutely brutal putting the USM only slightly ahead of China. US officers are largely highly competent, but US equipment also sucks, its mostly worn out, expensive, hard to maintain cold-war stuff, and the US military is currently built around the idea of fighting small bands of irregulars, not a huge force on force peer wars. The US isn't ready, the collapse of morale from the fallout of Covid, followed by a record number of personnel seeking discharges, has gutted its readiness.
Yeah, I’ll just leave this here…:
“ I don’t think anons realize how bonkers American hegemony really is. The US military has power unlike anything mankind has ever known, and that’s just what is revealed to us plebs. The most advanced technologies are made here, by American companies. We have the equivalent firepower of the rest of humanity combined, and with all of the newest equipment in every field. The domination of US military, culture and technology will remain absolute for a looong time. The only way the US might fall is from within, but if we get a relatively sane man in, then we can start drilling the oil beneath our feet and it’s over, the economy is fixed and our Pax Americana will remain for generations, at the very least. I’m only scratching the surface of how powerful the US and it’s military is. The real insanity is how powerful a united West is. NATO is absolutely unstoppable. We really lucked out with it. The only way this crumbles is from within, and it might, but if we successfully stomp out the liberal hive mind we will develop an immunity to it like a vaccine. Basically, if the US gets it’s shit together, if we fire all of the fifth columns and wake up the populace, society is going to enter into a golden age. Just go do some research on how mighty the US military is. You don’t have to think hard on the soft power, it’s all around you, but I don’t think anons realize that the US military is truly at an insane level of competence.”
Read the above post and the one before it. Which is correct? Can't be both.
Art of war is making both appear true. Realistically, we almost certainly have a couple gens of advancement beyond where our conventional junk more or less stalled. With a Space Force consisting of the most advanced stuff, US mainland is basically unassailable, conventional forces not needed. If they aren't needed, you can project w/e image you want. Both, most definitely, CAN be true.
Amazing how the comment above yours assumes I didn’t read previous comments and my reply was in error and not the counterpoint it’s intended to be..
That a counterpoint to a thread is met with confusion is a bit telling.
America still as supreme dominance. Half these doomer comments suggesting otherwise, here, and on Twitter, are from Ip address NOT located in the USA.
Our enemy uses demoralization campaigns 24/7. Should be obvious.
Some anonymous text message and look how much traction it artificially gets.
Doomer porn is fun, but the reality is that we are light years ahead of the Russians and the Chicoms. Its obvious.
Now, do we want to try invading either of them? Certainly not. But our recent experiences in Afghanistan aren't comparable because we were under VERY strict RoE. That would not be the case in a peer-to-peer conflict. It wouldn't be a cakewalk like Iraq of course.
Such a conflict won't occur unless Putin loses his mind and invades someone other than Ukraine, or if the Chicoms decide we are stretched too thin to defend Taiwan. And even then, that will mostly be Naval and Air, not Ground.
While I agree with you.
The EU is and always was the enemy of America. Only since they lost WW2, the Germans realized to defeat America and steal its wealth, they needed political strategy, not a hard power military one. And thus the EU was born, the EU lobbies were born, and Germans and EU billionaires started a comprehensive plan to conquer the USA with politics and economics to ensure the lion's shair of the US's productivity went to the EU, and the EU always got first-pick of the USA's production. China did the same, and China gets 2nd pick. America last, and they used the democrats to get it all done.
GERMANY IS A MORTAL ENEMY OF AMERICA and was NEVER at any point its friend. From the revolution to the current day, Europeans have always been trying to destroy America. They are tyrants who hate freedom, Its why hundreds of millions fled to the Western Hemisphere to escape Europe in the colonial ages, and they seethe in xenophobic rage that America is greater than their old, petty fiefdoms.
The democrats are traitors, and the EU, particularly the Germans, are our mortal enemies. Do you think it was an accident there were Dominion servers in Germany that were raided by the US Army? China might have paid for it, but it was Germans, particularly Klaus and company, that organized the coup of America.
Oh and what other nation does Germany HAAAAATE? Oh right Russia, only fought like 15 wars with them through history, including both world wars. Germany has been trying to destory Russia for 100's of years, and 2022 is no different than any year prior.
America needs to realize who its real enemies are: Germany and China.
I beg to differ. The U.S. military is shit hot. And even a coalition of foreign militaries would be hard pressed to stop us. The problem is with the politicians. See, [they] figured out during Korea and Vietnam that if [they] control the "rules" of engagement, [they] can control our military more effectively than anything else. Once the combatant commands figure out just whose side these pols are really on, the bullshit stops. Even with this "woke" mess, the amount of "woke" military members is such a small, small subset of small sunset in the military that it doesn't matter. The ship will right itself.
Fully agreed.
All weakness in the USM is 100% the fault of politicans. From bad equipment to forced vaxxing that pushed life long career members out, to the safe space regiments that will crumple like wet napkins...ALL of it is pushed by DC.
From the Joint Cheifs on down, the military is ferocious machine. The problem is the DoD and the Congress.
the big combloc stuff isn't like more complicated versions of super reliable AK47's, it's either ineffective targets like the t-72s or just shit like the russian navy and air force. Most of em are welded to the pier or 90% cannibalized sitting in hangers to keep the other 10% going.
Sure,but shit in numbers big enough is just enough.Soviet Russian T35 vs German Tigers. Of course they had Land-Lease from USA. So they lost "only" 13,7% of population,not 86.3% and were in Berlin in 1945 not in 1955.
Surely Russia wouldn't be able occupy USA ever. But neither USA nor whole NATO will be able to occupy Russia (at least against the will of Russians) too,even if some of my dumbest Polish fellow citizens might think otherwise after being brainwashed. Ruin - of course (ending "nuke and be nuked" then),occupy - no. Come on,Afghanistan would be small fart...
The real problem is many of those military equipment from Ukraine is stolen. What if it goes really to China and CHINESE "blue helmets" are trained to use it ? That would be absolute nightmare.