Office matters. That's why I said it. "Elected office" is not one size fits all. Your county commissioner is not the same as your House representative. Your state senator is not the same as your US senator. The way you are trying to twist this, you could apply the same logic to any act being somehow of meaningful precedential value. The arrest of one pedo is "precedent" to arrest cabal pedos... a complete non sequitur when corruption is what shields them from prosecution.
People can petition the AG to institute Quo Warranto proceedings to remove unlawful office holders. If the AG refuses, people can file a request in DC district court to have any duly licensed attorney appointed to represent the United States before the court in this matter. Except the House/Senate/President/Vice President are exempt from this statute, because they exist as explicitly created by the Constitution. Which has its own framework for office qualifications & the process by which they assume office. None of which involve judges/courts/SCOTUS.
The legality of it matters, and the courts are the arbiters of the law. AG's are weak, as are most legislators. Fraudulent elections, are not constitutionally legal, regardless of the legal framework or precedent, or temporary allowance of such. They are in no way legal, as they alienate others from their constitutional right to representation. Courts at the federal court level, at the state court level and at the county level are all responsible for hearing cases brought forth by interested parties at the jurisdiction level appropriate level of government in which the fraud was perpetrated (County, state, federal).
You speak only in platitudes and cliches. At no point do you address anything I said. It is nothing more than "this is wrong, thus, someone can lawfully fix it." Simply not true. That isn't how it works.
First, you have no constitutional right to vote for president/vice president. The state legislatures could appoint electors directly without your input, and historically this has happened. Second, each house is responsible for judging the elections of their own members. If they want to act lawless and allow a fraudulently elected rep to serve their term, they act lawless. No judge can usurp that determination for them.
As I said before, you cannot bring suit to remove any federal office holder from unlawfully holding office anywhere but the DC circuit. And House/Senate/Pres/VP are exempt from this. Want to remove a sitting president? Impeach him. Otherwise, he serves the 4 year term. Want to remove a senator/congressman? Convince 2/3rds of that body to expel them. Otherwise, they serve their 6/2 year terms. State officials would vary based on the particular state's constitution.
The legality of it matters, and the courts are the arbiters of the law.
They already weighed in on this over the centuries. The answer is no, they can't do this no matter how mad you are about it, and no matter how badly you want them to.
Just want to back you up in this. It’s a hard truth people need to hear nonetheless. Once the electoral college votes and congress certified, the only way to remove Biden became impeachment and conviction. Misleading statements by the FBI don’t change that from a legal standpoint
It seems your contention is that because a fraudulent congress certified fraudulent electors,that there is zero recourse? Fraud is fraud, and election fraud is treason.
All you are doing is saying that fraud is egregious, and because it is egregious and greatly damaging, a remedy exists. Which is simply not an argument, but a desire. I don't disagree with the egregiousness. But if you want to be faithful to the Constitution and rule of law, we have no judicial recourse here regardless of how shit this is. And not just that, but the very same people stealing elections are the ones in charge of putting justices on the supreme court. What's your remedy for their refusal to hear cases arising out of 2020? Why will they suddenly hear them again? How will anyone have standing now but didn't in Nov/Dec/Jan of 2020/21? Pretending that these officials were in the dark about the reality of the situation is deluding yourself. They knew. All of them. Including the highest court in the land.
Your recourse is to vote out people who certified fraudulent electors. And if your election system is compromised where you live, it is up to the people to fix that locally. There is no magic bullet that someone already in government has which fixes this. Ultimately, it will come down to the States. They birthed the federal government. It is their job to resist it. Until states do this, we are unlikely to see a change.
To be fair, I do not disagree with much of what you have said. However, everything you have said implies that the election itself was on the up and up.. and it wasnt. Anytime fraud places someone into office (regardless of the office) the people represented by said office are disenfranchised, as they have not conferred their consent of the government.
I know the election was fraudulent. But our system of government was designed for a moral people. It was not a be all end all for all peoples. We are fortunate it has lasted this long. I don't believe the founders would have guessed that 230+ years later we still exist. There is no "because there was fraud, SCOTUS can fix it" in that document.
Just as there are reasons the electors clause was written into the Constitution, so too there is a reason that Congress, not SCOTUS certifies the electoral college. Co-equal branches is why SCOTUS cannot intervene here.
Want a textbook example of SCOTUS intervening where it should not have? Bush v. Gore in 2000. You know who had authority to reject what was going on there? The Florida legislature.
Office matters. That's why I said it. "Elected office" is not one size fits all. Your county commissioner is not the same as your House representative. Your state senator is not the same as your US senator. The way you are trying to twist this, you could apply the same logic to any act being somehow of meaningful precedential value. The arrest of one pedo is "precedent" to arrest cabal pedos... a complete non sequitur when corruption is what shields them from prosecution.
People can petition the AG to institute Quo Warranto proceedings to remove unlawful office holders. If the AG refuses, people can file a request in DC district court to have any duly licensed attorney appointed to represent the United States before the court in this matter. Except the House/Senate/President/Vice President are exempt from this statute, because they exist as explicitly created by the Constitution. Which has its own framework for office qualifications & the process by which they assume office. None of which involve judges/courts/SCOTUS.
The mechanism in this instance would be mass revolt from the states.
This is, unfortunately, unlikely at this juncture.
The legality of it matters, and the courts are the arbiters of the law. AG's are weak, as are most legislators. Fraudulent elections, are not constitutionally legal, regardless of the legal framework or precedent, or temporary allowance of such. They are in no way legal, as they alienate others from their constitutional right to representation. Courts at the federal court level, at the state court level and at the county level are all responsible for hearing cases brought forth by interested parties at the jurisdiction level appropriate level of government in which the fraud was perpetrated (County, state, federal).
You speak only in platitudes and cliches. At no point do you address anything I said. It is nothing more than "this is wrong, thus, someone can lawfully fix it." Simply not true. That isn't how it works.
First, you have no constitutional right to vote for president/vice president. The state legislatures could appoint electors directly without your input, and historically this has happened. Second, each house is responsible for judging the elections of their own members. If they want to act lawless and allow a fraudulently elected rep to serve their term, they act lawless. No judge can usurp that determination for them.
As I said before, you cannot bring suit to remove any federal office holder from unlawfully holding office anywhere but the DC circuit. And House/Senate/Pres/VP are exempt from this. Want to remove a sitting president? Impeach him. Otherwise, he serves the 4 year term. Want to remove a senator/congressman? Convince 2/3rds of that body to expel them. Otherwise, they serve their 6/2 year terms. State officials would vary based on the particular state's constitution.
They already weighed in on this over the centuries. The answer is no, they can't do this no matter how mad you are about it, and no matter how badly you want them to.
Just want to back you up in this. It’s a hard truth people need to hear nonetheless. Once the electoral college votes and congress certified, the only way to remove Biden became impeachment and conviction. Misleading statements by the FBI don’t change that from a legal standpoint
It seems your contention is that because a fraudulent congress certified fraudulent electors,that there is zero recourse? Fraud is fraud, and election fraud is treason.
All you are doing is saying that fraud is egregious, and because it is egregious and greatly damaging, a remedy exists. Which is simply not an argument, but a desire. I don't disagree with the egregiousness. But if you want to be faithful to the Constitution and rule of law, we have no judicial recourse here regardless of how shit this is. And not just that, but the very same people stealing elections are the ones in charge of putting justices on the supreme court. What's your remedy for their refusal to hear cases arising out of 2020? Why will they suddenly hear them again? How will anyone have standing now but didn't in Nov/Dec/Jan of 2020/21? Pretending that these officials were in the dark about the reality of the situation is deluding yourself. They knew. All of them. Including the highest court in the land.
Your recourse is to vote out people who certified fraudulent electors. And if your election system is compromised where you live, it is up to the people to fix that locally. There is no magic bullet that someone already in government has which fixes this. Ultimately, it will come down to the States. They birthed the federal government. It is their job to resist it. Until states do this, we are unlikely to see a change.
To be fair, I do not disagree with much of what you have said. However, everything you have said implies that the election itself was on the up and up.. and it wasnt. Anytime fraud places someone into office (regardless of the office) the people represented by said office are disenfranchised, as they have not conferred their consent of the government.
I know the election was fraudulent. But our system of government was designed for a moral people. It was not a be all end all for all peoples. We are fortunate it has lasted this long. I don't believe the founders would have guessed that 230+ years later we still exist. There is no "because there was fraud, SCOTUS can fix it" in that document.
Just as there are reasons the electors clause was written into the Constitution, so too there is a reason that Congress, not SCOTUS certifies the electoral college. Co-equal branches is why SCOTUS cannot intervene here.
Want a textbook example of SCOTUS intervening where it should not have? Bush v. Gore in 2000. You know who had authority to reject what was going on there? The Florida legislature.