What's ironic is that the same can be applied to religious fundamentalists. Specifically the hardcore and science denying types who see any challenge to their beliefs as literal satan.
Now don't misunderstand (unless you want to). If you have chose faith for yourself, GREAT! Religion is a tool that can be used for good, but we can't just pretend as a lot of the Christians on this board try to do, that the atrocities of the past didn't happen. What helped my growth as a person in both facets of faith and practical life was ACCEPTING the mistakes of the past and agreeing with the people calling them out. In fact, I was able to have deeper conversations with people that wouldn't otherwise happen if I didn't acknowledge their grievances. I also realized, that my actions and ideas are mine and I am responsible for only what I do and don't do. This is where the tribalism needs to be broken. We aren't responsible for the mistakes of the past, but we need to acknowledge and accept them in order to build a better future.
If you are correct and your beliefs are right, you don't need vindication, especially from those who disagree with you. Censorship and narrative control is wrong no matter how right you think you are. If you have to resort to such then... you are not a good person and your ideas are weak and likely wrong.
The most bizarre situation I ever ran across on the internet was being on an old site that is no longer around call IIDB Internet Infidels Discussion Board(2005-10 era). The mods were very careful to separate political and religious discussions. So I was on the politics board and this guy was making great points. He was so on point and eloquent that I even took note of his name etc.
A while later I got on the religion boards for Christianity and I notice this guy that is talking like a raving lunatic. He was fairly eloquent but he sounded like a freaking lunatic. He ignored basic facts and often went on rants that weren't even about the point being made etc... Same guy.
When I finally noticed I even when back to politics and checked to be sure. He was clearly intelligent. He always had the right facts and was totally on point in the politics boards, but when he posted on the religion board he ignored facts and drifted to his pet points to pull the argument in another direction so he wouldn't be seen as losing the real argument because he was losing.
It was truly amazing to me to see how the passion some people put into something like religion(or in the case of leftists their religion of big GOV Socialism) can make them devolve into blathering idiots when they were otherwise sane, intelligent, and skillful debaters.
Umm... To be clear I'm an atheist. I don't agree with most Christians but I respect their faith just like I would hope they respect my lack of faith. For the most part I agree with you. Many people on this board tend to conveniently ignore negative events from the past.
My point was that people tend to lose sanity when discussing subjects they are most passionate about. Confirmation bias is most likely to creep in to their thought processes the closer and more passionate they are about the subject.
The problem with leftists today is that they have been taught that emotion is all important. Thus when they discuss politics they become even more passionate and lose all logic/sanity. Its is a fatal flaw in the very foundational structure of how they function.
Its also the root of what the OP is talking about. The only way they can shore up their emotional stability is to push aside anything that disrupts it. Ignorance is bliss...
What's ironic is that the same can be applied to religious fundamentalists. Specifically the hardcore and science denying types who see any challenge to their beliefs as literal satan.
Now don't misunderstand (unless you want to). If you have chose faith for yourself, GREAT! Religion is a tool that can be used for good, but we can't just pretend as a lot of the Christians on this board try to do, that the atrocities of the past didn't happen. What helped my growth as a person in both facets of faith and practical life was ACCEPTING the mistakes of the past and agreeing with the people calling them out. In fact, I was able to have deeper conversations with people that wouldn't otherwise happen if I didn't acknowledge their grievances. I also realized, that my actions and ideas are mine and I am responsible for only what I do and don't do. This is where the tribalism needs to be broken. We aren't responsible for the mistakes of the past, but we need to acknowledge and accept them in order to build a better future.
If you are correct and your beliefs are right, you don't need vindication, especially from those who disagree with you. Censorship and narrative control is wrong no matter how right you think you are. If you have to resort to such then... you are not a good person and your ideas are weak and likely wrong.
The most bizarre situation I ever ran across on the internet was being on an old site that is no longer around call IIDB Internet Infidels Discussion Board(2005-10 era). The mods were very careful to separate political and religious discussions. So I was on the politics board and this guy was making great points. He was so on point and eloquent that I even took note of his name etc.
A while later I got on the religion boards for Christianity and I notice this guy that is talking like a raving lunatic. He was fairly eloquent but he sounded like a freaking lunatic. He ignored basic facts and often went on rants that weren't even about the point being made etc... Same guy.
When I finally noticed I even when back to politics and checked to be sure. He was clearly intelligent. He always had the right facts and was totally on point in the politics boards, but when he posted on the religion board he ignored facts and drifted to his pet points to pull the argument in another direction so he wouldn't be seen as losing the real argument because he was losing.
It was truly amazing to me to see how the passion some people put into something like religion(or in the case of leftists their religion of big GOV Socialism) can make them devolve into blathering idiots when they were otherwise sane, intelligent, and skillful debaters.
"I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against EVERY form of tyranny upon the mind of man."
-Thomas Jefferson
If you're interested in sharing specific examples, I'll listen.
Otherwise your attempt to compare me to this other person and pass judgment on me is not only unfair, but pathetic at best...
Umm... To be clear I'm an atheist. I don't agree with most Christians but I respect their faith just like I would hope they respect my lack of faith. For the most part I agree with you. Many people on this board tend to conveniently ignore negative events from the past.
My point was that people tend to lose sanity when discussing subjects they are most passionate about. Confirmation bias is most likely to creep in to their thought processes the closer and more passionate they are about the subject.
The problem with leftists today is that they have been taught that emotion is all important. Thus when they discuss politics they become even more passionate and lose all logic/sanity. Its is a fatal flaw in the very foundational structure of how they function.
Its also the root of what the OP is talking about. The only way they can shore up their emotional stability is to push aside anything that disrupts it. Ignorance is bliss...