What's ironic is that the same can be applied to religious fundamentalists. Specifically the hardcore and science denying types who see any challenge to their beliefs as literal satan.
Now don't misunderstand (unless you want to). If you have chose faith for yourself, GREAT! Religion is a tool that can be used for good, but we can't just pretend as a lot of the Christians on this board try to do, that the atrocities of the past didn't happen. What helped my growth as a person in both facets of faith and practical life was ACCEPTING the mistakes of the past and agreeing with the people calling them out. In fact, I was able to have deeper conversations with people that wouldn't otherwise happen if I didn't acknowledge their grievances. I also realized, that my actions and ideas are mine and I am responsible for only what I do and don't do. This is where the tribalism needs to be broken. We aren't responsible for the mistakes of the past, but we need to acknowledge and accept them in order to build a better future.
If you are correct and your beliefs are right, you don't need vindication, especially from those who disagree with you. Censorship and narrative control is wrong no matter how right you think you are. If you have to resort to such then... you are not a good person and your ideas are weak and likely wrong.
The most bizarre situation I ever ran across on the internet was being on an old site that is no longer around call IIDB Internet Infidels Discussion Board(2005-10 era). The mods were very careful to separate political and religious discussions. So I was on the politics board and this guy was making great points. He was so on point and eloquent that I even took note of his name etc.
A while later I got on the religion boards for Christianity and I notice this guy that is talking like a raving lunatic. He was fairly eloquent but he sounded like a freaking lunatic. He ignored basic facts and often went on rants that weren't even about the point being made etc... Same guy.
When I finally noticed I even when back to politics and checked to be sure. He was clearly intelligent. He always had the right facts and was totally on point in the politics boards, but when he posted on the religion board he ignored facts and drifted to his pet points to pull the argument in another direction so he wouldn't be seen as losing the real argument because he was losing.
It was truly amazing to me to see how the passion some people put into something like religion(or in the case of leftists their religion of big GOV Socialism) can make them devolve into blathering idiots when they were otherwise sane, intelligent, and skillful debaters.
It was Christians that fought the revolutionary war. And later ended slavery in the USA.
AND IT WILL BE Christians that will MAGA.
It is your leftist pals that censor you.
Truth is the same yesterday today and tomorrow.
That's why we are hated.
But everyone lives of off the freedom we provide.
All real men desire truth. Truth is Fundamental to life.. Lies lead to death..
So an atheist is incapable of fighting? of building? of telling the truth?
You completely ignore the truth... atheists (admittedly a VERY small number of them) also participated in all the things you listed. I would argue that the small number of them present had everything to do with them being discriminated against by Christians. In that era anyone that wasn't a Christian was viewed as an agent of the devil.
And for the record while I might be an atheist... I AM NOT A FUCKING LEFTIST. And they aren't my pals. I assure you they hate me maybe even more than you because like a black conservative can negate the race card I can and often do negate the religion card. FYI - I'm banned on both YT and Twitter for my politics.
Everyone is so busy being emotional about their pet religion they all prove my actual point. When overly emotional about a subject people tend to lose all sense of logic and sanity. I wasn't bashing Christians. I was simply making a point similar to the OP and the reply. Passion while sometimes a good thing can also be a bad thing.
What's ironic is that the same can be applied to religious fundamentalists. Specifically the hardcore and science denying types who see any challenge to their beliefs as literal satan.
Now don't misunderstand (unless you want to). If you have chose faith for yourself, GREAT! Religion is a tool that can be used for good, but we can't just pretend as a lot of the Christians on this board try to do, that the atrocities of the past didn't happen. What helped my growth as a person in both facets of faith and practical life was ACCEPTING the mistakes of the past and agreeing with the people calling them out. In fact, I was able to have deeper conversations with people that wouldn't otherwise happen if I didn't acknowledge their grievances. I also realized, that my actions and ideas are mine and I am responsible for only what I do and don't do. This is where the tribalism needs to be broken. We aren't responsible for the mistakes of the past, but we need to acknowledge and accept them in order to build a better future.
If you are correct and your beliefs are right, you don't need vindication, especially from those who disagree with you. Censorship and narrative control is wrong no matter how right you think you are. If you have to resort to such then... you are not a good person and your ideas are weak and likely wrong.
The most bizarre situation I ever ran across on the internet was being on an old site that is no longer around call IIDB Internet Infidels Discussion Board(2005-10 era). The mods were very careful to separate political and religious discussions. So I was on the politics board and this guy was making great points. He was so on point and eloquent that I even took note of his name etc.
A while later I got on the religion boards for Christianity and I notice this guy that is talking like a raving lunatic. He was fairly eloquent but he sounded like a freaking lunatic. He ignored basic facts and often went on rants that weren't even about the point being made etc... Same guy.
When I finally noticed I even when back to politics and checked to be sure. He was clearly intelligent. He always had the right facts and was totally on point in the politics boards, but when he posted on the religion board he ignored facts and drifted to his pet points to pull the argument in another direction so he wouldn't be seen as losing the real argument because he was losing.
It was truly amazing to me to see how the passion some people put into something like religion(or in the case of leftists their religion of big GOV Socialism) can make them devolve into blathering idiots when they were otherwise sane, intelligent, and skillful debaters.
It was Christians that fought the revolutionary war. And later ended slavery in the USA. AND IT WILL BE Christians that will MAGA. It is your leftist pals that censor you. Truth is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. That's why we are hated. But everyone lives of off the freedom we provide. All real men desire truth. Truth is Fundamental to life.. Lies lead to death..
So an atheist is incapable of fighting? of building? of telling the truth?
You completely ignore the truth... atheists (admittedly a VERY small number of them) also participated in all the things you listed. I would argue that the small number of them present had everything to do with them being discriminated against by Christians. In that era anyone that wasn't a Christian was viewed as an agent of the devil.
And for the record while I might be an atheist... I AM NOT A FUCKING LEFTIST. And they aren't my pals. I assure you they hate me maybe even more than you because like a black conservative can negate the race card I can and often do negate the religion card. FYI - I'm banned on both YT and Twitter for my politics.
Everyone is so busy being emotional about their pet religion they all prove my actual point. When overly emotional about a subject people tend to lose all sense of logic and sanity. I wasn't bashing Christians. I was simply making a point similar to the OP and the reply. Passion while sometimes a good thing can also be a bad thing.