Leftism cannot survive scrutiny. It requires artificial supports. It must delete the opposition.
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What's ironic is that the same can be applied to religious fundamentalists. Specifically the hardcore and science denying types who see any challenge to their beliefs as literal satan.
Now don't misunderstand (unless you want to). If you have chose faith for yourself, GREAT! Religion is a tool that can be used for good, but we can't just pretend as a lot of the Christians on this board try to do, that the atrocities of the past didn't happen. What helped my growth as a person in both facets of faith and practical life was ACCEPTING the mistakes of the past and agreeing with the people calling them out. In fact, I was able to have deeper conversations with people that wouldn't otherwise happen if I didn't acknowledge their grievances. I also realized, that my actions and ideas are mine and I am responsible for only what I do and don't do. This is where the tribalism needs to be broken. We aren't responsible for the mistakes of the past, but we need to acknowledge and accept them in order to build a better future.
If you are correct and your beliefs are right, you don't need vindication, especially from those who disagree with you. Censorship and narrative control is wrong no matter how right you think you are. If you have to resort to such then... you are not a good person and your ideas are weak and likely wrong.
The most bizarre situation I ever ran across on the internet was being on an old site that is no longer around call IIDB Internet Infidels Discussion Board(2005-10 era). The mods were very careful to separate political and religious discussions. So I was on the politics board and this guy was making great points. He was so on point and eloquent that I even took note of his name etc.
A while later I got on the religion boards for Christianity and I notice this guy that is talking like a raving lunatic. He was fairly eloquent but he sounded like a freaking lunatic. He ignored basic facts and often went on rants that weren't even about the point being made etc... Same guy.
When I finally noticed I even when back to politics and checked to be sure. He was clearly intelligent. He always had the right facts and was totally on point in the politics boards, but when he posted on the religion board he ignored facts and drifted to his pet points to pull the argument in another direction so he wouldn't be seen as losing the real argument because he was losing.
It was truly amazing to me to see how the passion some people put into something like religion(or in the case of leftists their religion of big GOV Socialism) can make them devolve into blathering idiots when they were otherwise sane, intelligent, and skillful debaters.
What was the subject material?
The web page itself was meant as a resource for atheists and agnostics. It has a discussion board that was mostly about religion but it also had that politics area. When I look back on it I think its safe to say that many of the atheists were just leftists their to bash on Christians. Ironically, a lot of Christians came to the board to argue with atheists.
This is the problem with these leftists. There pattern is quite clear. They find any sort of fringe movement they invade that movement and outnumber the real people involved. This allows them to takeover the narrative. They then throw money and political weight behind that twisted narrative in order to accomplish their own political goals. They've done this a dozen times in the past fifty years. Atheism, racial relations, LGBT, Islam, etc have all fallen victim to these tactics.
Look at LGBT. You now have gay against groomer etc. They want nothing to do with pedos yet the MAP BS has been placed squarely in their lap and the lunatics are attempting to normalize it. A gay man in 1970 wanted nothing to do with any of this BS. The leftist hijacked their movement and made it what it is.
Atheism has had the same problem. They start a movement like Atheism Plus. They make a list of things they view as important. They recruit. Within 5-10 years the list of issues has totally changed so much it has nothing to do with how it started. All the original people(the real atheists) have, for the most part, left. It becomes an echo chamber and falls apart.
Why? Because it started out with 3,000 actual atheists wanting to improve themselves and then 50,000 lunatic leftist show up and take over. They push an agenda that is mostly political and when you peal back the layers... yep they're lunatic Socialist.
Take a step back and look at it from a 50k ft view you will see the pattern I'm talking about.
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