No one believe Christ was born even in December. There were two pagan holidays celebrated on December 25th in the Roman Empire during the unavoidable adoption of Christianity in Rome. Paganism is satanism. It’s an interesting rabbit hole. It goes deeper than Santa clause
I don't fully trust anything I hear or read about what happened YESTERDAY, even in this age of information from everywhere all the time and with 90% of the global population carrying cel phones with cameras.
Every time I see something in the media that I'm personally familiar with (not an everyday thing, but still), it's wrong -- not always from malice (although usually) because people seldom get things completely right even when they want to.
The game of telephone is a classic ice breaker and party game. It's easy to set up and a lot of fun to play. You and your friends will try to pick a word or phrase, “pass it on” by whispering it to someone next to you, and have fun seeing how much it changed during the game. All you will need to play is a couple of friends, a word or phrase, and a quiet whisper.
So why would I expect any accuracy at all in accounts from 2,000 years ago?
YEP! Jesus would be pissed off if he realized that his birthday was celebrated with materialistic gift giving. Spiritual love not gifts is what Christmas is about. The ultimate insult are when insane people rush into stores to buy crap for Christmas.
From what I gathered Jesus was not born in December. He was born during the time sheep would be out eating fresh pastures. Meaning it had to have been spring or summer time. The December birth date was a Roman Catholic thing to replace the solar deity that was born on December 25th according to that religion.
A very old Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus, also known as the patron saint of children) tale from around the 1600s or before involves pickling children... but he saved the pickled children.
Now Santa Claus is part of a world-wide conspiracy?to replace Jesus? If you actually believe that you are absolutely not a counterfeit idiot. How does the Easter Bunny fit into your theory? I’m dying to know
Easter bunny is a fertility symbol. The rabbit and egg both represent fertility in the ancient religions. Easter = Oaster/ishtar/Astaroth a female deity who was a fertility Goddess.
Also it should be celebrated AT passover but the RC church calendar meddling means it almost never is. Why do Easter and Passover not track together? The last supper was the Passover meal.
Before Christianity, originally it was the spruce tree festival. Central Asia 2-3 thousand years ago it was dedicated to yer-su a diety in the center of the earth a place where dietys an spirits took a breather. Next to yer-su in
Seniority was a diety name ulghen and old
Man with a grizzley beard, he appeard to mortals in a red and white garb.
The spruce was Ulghen's Tree that linked the daylight world of mortals with the underground world of deities and spirits. Like a sharp-pointed arrowhead, it showed Ulghen the way to the surface and up, or ol, which is "road" or "way" in Turkic.
The word is one of the countless Turkic borrowings in the Russian language (where it became yel).
Many centuries later, the tree continues to be feted. For some it is Christmas Tree, others celebrate it on New Year Eve. Ulghen, though, has changed its name to Santa Claus, or Father Frost, or whatever. Name-swapping regardless, he still wears that old garb and is the centre of year-end merrymaking, as ever.
Round dances are still done around the tree. Few dancers ever give thought to such details as the caftan, fur-trimmed hat, colour belt or felt high boots - the way the ancient Turkis used to dress up their deity, for they knew of no other clothing but the one they wore themselves. If you have doubts, ask the archaeologists, who have these facts on record.
Tradition has it that Ulghen could change to a different person, Erlik. Not unlikely, for Erlik was his own brother. It is difficult to establish the truth now, after so much water under the bridge. Is it so important now who was who and how then?
Something is more important than that. For the ancient Turkis, Ulghen and Erlik embodied the good and the ugly, light and darkness. We witness this duality on December 25, when the evilest of people can play good and generous. Why not Erlik, then, the symbol of evil as he was. On that December day, he brought gifts to people in his backpack. No one was more overjoyed than children, who scampered looking for him. To coax him they sang and pleaded with him to give them happiness and well-being.
Saint Nicholas was real though and pretty cool.
We're doing all the holidays wrong and going to hell for it. 😞
No one believe Christ was born even in December. There were two pagan holidays celebrated on December 25th in the Roman Empire during the unavoidable adoption of Christianity in Rome. Paganism is satanism. It’s an interesting rabbit hole. It goes deeper than Santa clause
I don't fully trust anything I hear or read about what happened YESTERDAY, even in this age of information from everywhere all the time and with 90% of the global population carrying cel phones with cameras.
Every time I see something in the media that I'm personally familiar with (not an everyday thing, but still), it's wrong -- not always from malice (although usually) because people seldom get things completely right even when they want to.
Remember the telephone game?
So why would I expect any accuracy at all in accounts from 2,000 years ago?
YEP! Jesus would be pissed off if he realized that his birthday was celebrated with materialistic gift giving. Spiritual love not gifts is what Christmas is about. The ultimate insult are when insane people rush into stores to buy crap for Christmas.
OH YEAH... This is the real history of Santa. It's fing weird dude. https://vimeo.com/379043053
We do Santa as a fun thing but our household is heavily God centered so we do Advent and all kinds of religious stuff. They can coexist
YEP
From what I gathered Jesus was not born in December. He was born during the time sheep would be out eating fresh pastures. Meaning it had to have been spring or summer time. The December birth date was a Roman Catholic thing to replace the solar deity that was born on December 25th according to that religion.
I heard it was September.
A very old Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus, also known as the patron saint of children) tale from around the 1600s or before involves pickling children... but he saved the pickled children.
https://mythcrafts.com/2017/12/09/santa-and-the-pickled-children/
And he fought human trafficking by giving the women who were going to be sold into prostitution money to make that stop. Absolute madlad
Now Santa Claus is part of a world-wide conspiracy?to replace Jesus? If you actually believe that you are absolutely not a counterfeit idiot. How does the Easter Bunny fit into your theory? I’m dying to know
Easter bunny is a fertility symbol. The rabbit and egg both represent fertility in the ancient religions. Easter = Oaster/ishtar/Astaroth a female deity who was a fertility Goddess.
Also it should be celebrated AT passover but the RC church calendar meddling means it almost never is. Why do Easter and Passover not track together? The last supper was the Passover meal.
The Guy in the red suit.
Originally a brown suit before Coca cola
DR Pepper
Before Christianity, originally it was the spruce tree festival. Central Asia 2-3 thousand years ago it was dedicated to yer-su a diety in the center of the earth a place where dietys an spirits took a breather. Next to yer-su in Seniority was a diety name ulghen and old Man with a grizzley beard, he appeard to mortals in a red and white garb. The spruce was Ulghen's Tree that linked the daylight world of mortals with the underground world of deities and spirits. Like a sharp-pointed arrowhead, it showed Ulghen the way to the surface and up, or ol, which is "road" or "way" in Turkic. The word is one of the countless Turkic borrowings in the Russian language (where it became yel). Many centuries later, the tree continues to be feted. For some it is Christmas Tree, others celebrate it on New Year Eve. Ulghen, though, has changed its name to Santa Claus, or Father Frost, or whatever. Name-swapping regardless, he still wears that old garb and is the centre of year-end merrymaking, as ever. Round dances are still done around the tree. Few dancers ever give thought to such details as the caftan, fur-trimmed hat, colour belt or felt high boots - the way the ancient Turkis used to dress up their deity, for they knew of no other clothing but the one they wore themselves. If you have doubts, ask the archaeologists, who have these facts on record. Tradition has it that Ulghen could change to a different person, Erlik. Not unlikely, for Erlik was his own brother. It is difficult to establish the truth now, after so much water under the bridge. Is it so important now who was who and how then? Something is more important than that. For the ancient Turkis, Ulghen and Erlik embodied the good and the ugly, light and darkness. We witness this duality on December 25, when the evilest of people can play good and generous. Why not Erlik, then, the symbol of evil as he was. On that December day, he brought gifts to people in his backpack. No one was more overjoyed than children, who scampered looking for him. To coax him they sang and pleaded with him to give them happiness and well-being.
It was the retailers in NYC! Macy's, Gimble's and FAO Schwarz! The Corporate Retail Industrial Complex!
The Jews
I just wanted to have some fun.