This is a follow up to my previous of the same title. Today I got to spend some time with Steve, the facilities director of the school district. (Glad that I finally found out his title instead of grand Poobah, haha). Steve is a very well spoken man with a great passion for the school district. He told me his story of how he came to the facilities dirctor and basically it came down that in this state you need a degree in order to teach and once he got into the classroom he figured out real quick that teaching sucked. So he opted to go into managing facilities and found a job at a local amusement park and worked his way up through the pecking order and got the top facilities gig at the park. As with everything in life, changes happen and Steve decide to go back to education and went to the school district than rose to the top spot after a few years. Now as Facilities director he has control over all areas of the school system's facilities.
His latest project is overseeing the renovation of the Primary school (kindergarten and 1st grade). The budget is somewhere around $15M-$16M depending on cost overruns and unexpected construction dificulties. I toured the exterior of the building with Steve and he explained that everything was stripped out of the building...i.e. interior walls, plumbing, electrical, air conditioning and even then floors. Big remodel expected to be finished by August of next year. He and the board hired a construction firm that is a CMR. Steve has worked with this company in the past and is very confident in their abilities to do a good job with workmanship and budget.
Steve also showed me the Junior High School. Wow, is all I could say about the school. He told me this school won a world wide architectural award for best design of a school. Lots of bells and whistles within this school. A 900 seat theater complete with sound booth sky box and a huge stage. Just awesome. There was a full gymnasium next to the theater. The entire school is embedded within a mound of dirt on the front side which makes the school look like it is build underground. Walk to the backside of the school and it's three stories with the ground floor the cafeteria, theater, and gym along with consession areas for the theater. The top two floors are classrooms. I didn't ask the cost of this building but I'm thinking it was around $12M. It houses about 200 kids. Steve was proud of the firefighting systems within the building. There were a few cones hung from the ceiling and they pointed downward. These cones were high volume fans which in cooperation with the fire alarm system push smoke out of the building via automatic opening doors. So, when a fire breaks out the fans come on and the exterior doors automatically open and the smoke is pushed out to keep the area free of smoke so the fire fighters can enter and not deal with a lot of smoke.
Next we took a quick trip to the Vo-Tech campus. It is an old building which is falling down. Literally. A new"ish" section of the building is pulling away from the original building. So the school board has voted to build a new Vo-Tech campus. Upping the square footage from 43K to over 84K sq. ft. Great opportunities for learning a trade. Nursing, welding, boat repair, chef school, tier 1 and tier 2 automotive repair, and electrical and a couple of others. Steve's son went through the Vo-Tech side of electrical and now works as a lineman for the local electrical company. Makes good money. A former student, who went through the welding course offered at the Vo-Tech, came back to the high school to tell the students who don't want to go to college how much money they can make by getting a trade under their belts. He works as a welder, brought his pay stubs along to prove his earnings, and showed how, with a little effort, he makes over $150k/yr. I didn't ask about the cost of the proposed Vo-Tech building, though. But I feel that this is a great avenue for kids who don't want to go through the drudgery of college. The land is already appropriated for the building and has stakes marking out the corners.
Then we went driving behind the elementary school. There was a women's softball field and a practice baseball field. The elementary school looked alright, nothing eyepopping but definetly better than the old elementary school down the road.
Finally Steve took me offroading behind the Junior High school. Literally down a dirt trail. He explained the school district had purchased 150 acres of land contiguous to the other campuses. As we were driving in the woods there were colored marker tape here and there. Steve explained that "over there is where the tennis courts will be, here is the frisbee golf course and back there is the cross country running track." On the way out of the woods I asked Steve how much was these things going to cost. Without blinking he said," around 8 or 9 million dollars and about a million of that for dirt and rock removal and relocation". To me that is staggering for pushing dirt around. But such is life.
Overall I was very impressed with Steve and his passion for this school district and wanting to make it the best in the state. In my opinion he is well on his way to accomplishing that goal. His explainations as to why the buildings cost so much was in line with my research. He understands the relationship betweent he architecs and the construction CMR. He likes the way all parties in the building process are on the same page. And he keeps apprised on all aspects of the Primary school remodel. Steve is a hand on guy who is very good at what he does.
The one thing about the time I spent with Steve was the cost of the tennis courts and frisbee golf course and track. Although Steve thinks this is a great addition to the schools extracurricular activities, I'm thinking it is unnecessary expenditures. How many kids will be frisbee golfing? How many want to play tennis on a daily basis?
But that is my feeling and now I am asking the GAW community what I can do to put the brakes on the expenditure of the funds to build these courts and courses? They are ready to break ground so do I have any power to stop the $9M dollars being spent? I and a lady were the only people at the school board meeting and there is a policy that if you want to address the school board you've got to put your name on the list. So I get to speak to the board for three minutes, but I don't think that will do anything to change the minds of the seven board members. I am but one voice saying "don't spend $9M on needless tennis courts". No other community members will speak up because they don't want to go to the board meetings. Will one voice be enough to stop the expenditure? Will I have to go to every board member and voice my concerns? Will they do what I ask? Has the dye already been set? Can I alone pull back the $9M and put it towards the cost of the Primary school remodel?
Thanks, GAW, for allowing a thread like this to be posted. Freedom of speech is necessary...........so is freedom of answers to a $9M dollar question. God Bless.
One man with courage is a majority.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Thanks. That made my heart skip a beat. Thanks, again.
You're welcome, fren. Keep up the good work! 😉
I'm impressed with anyone who attends school board meetings and Steve must have also been impressed with you. Can your objections be addressed in writing to the School Board so that there is a record? Would your local newspaper have any interest in this subject? Any local offices up for relection where this question could be raised? (Just spittballing some thoughts here)
Post 1 was from 5 days ago - I didnt see this one at the time
https://greatawakening.win/p/15JnKfUWqx/i-went-to-a-school-board-meating/c/
I think school boards and in general any body that is open for participation to the wider public will have massively poor awareness of their activities, budget plans, day to day costs, and all other operational properties unless there is a massive effort to put this info out there. And how many groups are much happier to run with minimal accountability and disclosures? So poor participation, poor alignment with the views of the stakeholders is probably normal.
Being that way, its a sword that swings both ways in that anybody who attends and speaks out can exert undue influence. Great when its patriots attending, not so great when its pedos or antifa or 'burn the system' crazies turning up to push their insanity.
I should think that in the era of escalating costs that rather than buying lands to construct new and expensive sporting activities, it would be more prudent to try and focus on the core of what the school should be providing, leaving $ aside to fund future maintenance, trying to fund better quality teachers, and stuff like that. But having that sort of cash to fling around suggests they are at least doing something right.
Thank you for your follow-up post, and for your commitment to your local school system. It sounds like by and large the facilities director is a thorough guy and passionate about the work he's doing.
I think if you believe the funds should go to the primary school, you should find others associated with the school (parents, teachers) and let them know about the situation, so maybe you'll get more than two people at the next board meeting. Concurrently I would continue your conversations with the facilities guy. Let him know, respectfully, what you see and how the $9M would be more beneficial for the primary school. Even if he doesn't see your point of view, he can certainly give you feedback on how to get the Board to take up this matter. Unlike the social issues plaguing schools, budget issues regarding school facilities is something most people can agree upon, and sometimes asking the right questions of the right people can go a long way. Good luck!
So no $ for food, gardening? Hydroponics center? 150 acres of food? Hard No on frisbee golf & tennis courts🤷♀️ Any small farmer would LOVE 150 acres to produce food funded by taxpayer$ and give back to the local community🤷♀️
Ya, know....I thought to ask Steve about some gardens for the kids. I figured there is plenty of ground for a small garden to be started, one for each class. But just as soon as I had the idea in my head, it slipped my mind. Maybe I'll bring it up at the next SB meeting......(if I get a chance to speak) :)
Good for you for taking the time to do this. And thank you for reporting to us. I agree that the pricetag is outrageous for something so unnecessary. Kids can't even do math or read, so frisbee golf and tennis are pointless. That's what after school activities are for. And it's not because I'm an old grinch. If kids were excelling, if schools were doing their job and if everybody was employed and flourishing, I'd say, go for it. But there is zero reason taxpayers should be paying for such things.
Maybe look into the academic scores the school is reporting and if you see they are low, use that as a metric for defeating the wasteful use of money.
Steve may be an impressive guy, but it honestly seems to me that he is a guy who cares about HIS 'thing.' And his thing is buildings and expanding. He looks impressive if his place looks impressive. And he's not footing the bill, so it's easy to spend other people's money. I really hate people like that. SuzanneX gave you some good ideas. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
THIS!! SO MUCH THIS!! But EVERY school is much more focused on providing unnecessary extras to distract both the students and parents from the utter failure that education has become as well as push every and any social agenda that will line their pockets as much as possible from those willing to stuff them as quick as they can.
I’m not sure why you DONT want the tennis court. BUT. I see that price tag is just foolish. What if… you contact builders and land clearers to get a price estimate around the entire operation. See if they really need that much to do it. If you see you can get it done for much less. Then offer your price tag to the school for the same construction. Then tell them to spend the remainder on whatever it is that you think is needed. Unfortunately they probably can’t buy better teachers. The teacher field seems to be corrupt to a degree as far as ideology goes.
I asked Steve about costs of construction and he said that this state has "prevailing wage" structure in place for schools. Meaning, if any body does work on any project on school property, whether it's a five star construction company or a fly by night, shady looking, drunk who can swing a hammer, an outrageous amount of money is paid for the hourly workers. So, the drunk or the five star employee must make the same hourly wage. If the drunk said he could do the job for $500,000 then the school district probably would have to come up with an additional $8.5M so the five star company wouldn't get upset and sue.(Now this is just my opinion, but somewhere in it is a bit of logic.)
From what I could see on the Frisbee course/Tennis court site, it's about two or three acres. The trail I was on is at the top of a razorback ridge and the ridge needs to be cut down so the area is level. This requires clearing of trees, scraping the top six inches of dirt off the ridge and then blasting 10' of hard limestone out and moving it with D-9 Cats, scrapers, and excavators. Lots of big equipment needed around this area to clear a couple of acres and those things are not cheap to operate/rent. Then on top of that is building up the infrastructure. Though the Frisbee "hole" are already donated, there still needs to be individuals hired to install them. Then there is the tennis courts. I'm sure they have to be installed with certain types of base and asphalt. Oh, there is going to be automobile parking, I'm sure. Then the cross country trail will have to be built to wander and meander through the remaining trees on the back side of the site. Once the trail system is installed there will be a viewing platform built so the parents of the runners can watch the entire race from the platform. That will require a heafty amount of money to build.
Absolutely insane! Libtarded morons at the height of absurdity. I can't even imagine why the taxpayers are putting up with this?
Why are they putting up with it????? Well, because nobody knows what the school board is spending money on because no one shows up to the board meetings. The board members have free range on any decisions. Plus, when attending the board meetings a citizen cannot raise his hand to ask a question. Like, "why does this building cost $15M instead of $6M? Why does this building need to be highlighted in a glossy magazine and given world wide awards? Why does a school building built into the side of a hill need to survive a tornado? In this part of the country if there were straight line winds or tornados they seldom if ever touch the ground because of the steep rise and fall of the terrain. These types of questions cannot be asked during the board meetings because every question lenghtens meeting time. (The board members need to get back to their families, ya know).
Those numbers seem incredibly low, especially considering all the extra extravagant things included (sports facilities and such). The local new middle school that opened in 2021was over $43 mil (for 190k sqf) and the new high school that opened up the same year was over $90mil.
I will not disagree with your statement. This is the second time I've spoken with Steve, so I haven't had enough conversations with him to fully grasp the amount of money being spent on the school remodel. Maybe they've spent $15M up to now and have more spending to go. I don't know. Too many questions I was asking and too few notes I wrote down. But, you might be correct.
One more thing I will add. While driving along Steve mentioned that in the future there might be discussions about building a swimming pool facility. Sorry, but that idea seems way out there. Kids go to school to learn how to read and write and do "rithmatic. Now they have to learn to play tennis, throw a frisbee, run cross country, and SWIM???? in order to have a well balanced school experience? I can see a swimming pool for upper crust New England private schools, but where I'm at I think the kids would only use it as an amusement park. They've got baseball, football, wrestling, girls softball, basketball, peewee football, child daycare for teachers with newborns, a CNA nurse, and other expenditures for the kids. Swimming is just a luxury in my opinion.....right along with tossing a frisbee. If at a SB meeting, if one of the board members say then need a bowling lane or two or a nine hole golf course I might have to say something. How many ways can a school system burn through tax payers money yet churn out students in the 37 percentile in english skills and 43 percentile in math. Let's concentrate on spending money on teachers who get results in these expensive classrooms and when ALL the kids are in the 90th percentile, then maybe we can discuss a swimming pool.
Hey, having been part of some budget-y finance-y stuff, I will note that funds earmarked for certain types of expenditure, like facilities, in government rules, cannot be re-allocated to different kinds of expenditures, like teacher pay.
Especially facility stuff, which is a one-time expense with a certain maintenance amount budgeted for future years, versus wages which require the same higher amounts to be added forever forward (plus additional pension, insurance, benefits, etc).
The best you can do would be to redirect the funds to learning projects. Although I must admit that the pool sounds nice...
By the way, maybe find out what home school families need to do in order to get access to those facilities too, then let them know via their local groups.
Thanks for all your work in this area
Just curious since you've got more school board experience than myself. Would it be feasible to begin a tax reduction initiative so the tax payers of this school district could rescind the current tax increase? That might put the school board in a tight squeeze financially and readjust their expenditures into the future. Might even put them between a rock and a hard spot financially. But if that's an avenue for me to pursue to stop the needless spending, I might be willing to go down that path.
Administrative folks get extremely defensive about budgets and expenditures, so I would take it with caution and understand the rules before jumping in, but the idea is absolutely sound.
Things to know: where exactly is their money coming from, meaning each chunk, and what strings are attached? You would want them to turn down money with to many strings going forward, easier to make that argument than trying to force them to turn down money.
Rule 1 in government is- spend all the money. Why? Because if you don't, you won't get more next time, you may even get less. Rule 2- grow your office, because the more employees you have, the more money and power you get. It didn't matter that you never needed those people and they're doing nothing now, if you cut positions you lose salary, because it's based on how many direct reports and subordinates you have.
This is their baseline, and they know how hard it is to get fired, and assume they think they're smarter than you, and have full time all day to work on how to block you, who are doing this part time.
Even if they're honest and good, they still feel the drive to spend all the money. If it's earmarked for renovations or buildings, it cannot be used for personnel, so anything not spent probably won't even stay in the district. Ironically the hardest thing for them to get approvals for is good teachers. What I guess in saying is, you can direct future spending but not get them to not spend per current plan. You might be able to redirect a little, within the same type of expenditure, like pulling back on tennis to horticulture or AgTech.
You are a bright light of wisdom. Thanks so much for the reply. I have something to ponder upon now. It sure is nice to have ideas and go into a situation than have nothing and stumble around senselessly. I appreciate your efforts to educate me on how things work.
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