Doesn't have to be easy, just possible. Some tried becoming marines after high school, and could not. Nothing is ever guaranteed, better a slim chance than no chance.
If no other crimes in their life, then it's safe to say they would not have broken the law in this case either.
So many people simply commit marriage fraud and are scott free. The system doesn't work for anyone except beneficiaries of a slave class without rights, and criminals, but I repeat myself.
I know DACA who showed up to Jan6 and many "patriots" that didn't. Some people where just born in a tough situation and are simply trying to make the best of it.
Naw, we should execute the parents, put the child under indentured servitude until they've paid off their 'debt' to society, then execute them too, for having the audacity as a toddler to allow their parents to break the law.
Lol... No, I'm not 'good' with it. But I'm not okay with charging kids for the crimes of their relatives either.
If dad robs a bank, and his 11 month old daughter was in a car seat in the getaway vehicle, you shouldn't subsequently charge that gal as an accessory to the crime once she turns 18. That would be idiotic. Nor would it make sense to charge the gal with receiving stolen property. Now, a arguing said gal benefited financially (though unintentionally) from dad's crime? Probably have some grounds to file lawsuits in that regard.
If you found out YOU weren't actually a citizen (your parents are actually from Canada and have been here illegally and have lied to you since birth) would you be okay renouncing YOUR citizenship and being deported to Canada? Or, would you want to somehow, someway, become a citizen of the country to which you thought you belonged? Maybe you wouldn't, I dunno. Maybe you would move to Canada and shift your patriotism from the red white and blue to the maple leaf. Me, I'd rather be here.
I love (what's left of) this country, I was born here, raised here, and plan to die here. I've been to other countries, and I'm always relieved to return home. For someone who has only known the USA from their earliest experience, I can't fault them for the strong desire to be a part of America. I interact with many DACA recipients I interact with at the 'day job', and a solid majority are redpilled and based AF. Sure, there are always exceptions. But they shouldn't be held at fault for the crimes of the parents. Just because as patriots we may be used to being labeled 'guilty by association' doesn't mean we need to stoop the levels of our enemies. Punishing a person for the crimes of their family is something that happens in the DPRK and communist countries. It should never happen here. I like to think we're better than that.
I'm sure my solution to the problem isn't ideal, but what we have now obviously isn't working. Ultimately, secure borders would solve the problem before its a problem.
We either have laws or we don't. They are enforced or .....why bother? Either breaking our laws is a "thing" or it isn't. SOME illegals are not better than others. Sorry, but I know people who have been struggling, bleeding out money to support these illegals. They even have lost their homes because they could not keep up with the unconstitutional taxation. I really have no sympathy for those who have leeched on the American people for a very long time. It's long past time to put America and OUR people first.
I concur. Luckily, our system of justice and law - while ideally blind - is not without reason and common sense, and allows for mitigating (and aggravating) circumstances. So while a daca recipient is here illegally, the fact they are not here of their own volition is certainly a mitigating circumstance, and likely an affirmative defense.
If I kidnap someone and take them to a military base without authorization, we are both in violation of the law. The person I kidnapped shouldn't be charged, and if they are, the fact I kidnapped them provides both a mitigating circumstance and an affirmative defense.
True, the person couldn't then live on base, lol. But it shouldn't keep them out of the military.
They aren't stateless. They have citizenship in the country of their birth.
I say, give them all green cards. No citizenship.
Fuck em all deport all non citizens we don’t need more people.
Well green card holders can become citizens after 5 years.
Maybe. There are no guarantees and should never be.
Doesn't have to be easy, just possible. Some tried becoming marines after high school, and could not. Nothing is ever guaranteed, better a slim chance than no chance.
If no other crimes in their life, then it's safe to say they would not have broken the law in this case either.
So many people simply commit marriage fraud and are scott free. The system doesn't work for anyone except beneficiaries of a slave class without rights, and criminals, but I repeat myself.
I know DACA who showed up to Jan6 and many "patriots" that didn't. Some people where just born in a tough situation and are simply trying to make the best of it.
So, you're good with a pregnant illegal coming here specifically to drop her load on American soil? THAT should be rewarded? Get real.
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Naw, we should execute the parents, put the child under indentured servitude until they've paid off their 'debt' to society, then execute them too, for having the audacity as a toddler to allow their parents to break the law.
Pathetic.
(real answer)
Lol... No, I'm not 'good' with it. But I'm not okay with charging kids for the crimes of their relatives either.
If dad robs a bank, and his 11 month old daughter was in a car seat in the getaway vehicle, you shouldn't subsequently charge that gal as an accessory to the crime once she turns 18. That would be idiotic. Nor would it make sense to charge the gal with receiving stolen property. Now, a arguing said gal benefited financially (though unintentionally) from dad's crime? Probably have some grounds to file lawsuits in that regard.
If you found out YOU weren't actually a citizen (your parents are actually from Canada and have been here illegally and have lied to you since birth) would you be okay renouncing YOUR citizenship and being deported to Canada? Or, would you want to somehow, someway, become a citizen of the country to which you thought you belonged? Maybe you wouldn't, I dunno. Maybe you would move to Canada and shift your patriotism from the red white and blue to the maple leaf. Me, I'd rather be here.
I love (what's left of) this country, I was born here, raised here, and plan to die here. I've been to other countries, and I'm always relieved to return home. For someone who has only known the USA from their earliest experience, I can't fault them for the strong desire to be a part of America. I interact with many DACA recipients I interact with at the 'day job', and a solid majority are redpilled and based AF. Sure, there are always exceptions. But they shouldn't be held at fault for the crimes of the parents. Just because as patriots we may be used to being labeled 'guilty by association' doesn't mean we need to stoop the levels of our enemies. Punishing a person for the crimes of their family is something that happens in the DPRK and communist countries. It should never happen here. I like to think we're better than that.
I'm sure my solution to the problem isn't ideal, but what we have now obviously isn't working. Ultimately, secure borders would solve the problem before its a problem.
We either have laws or we don't. They are enforced or .....why bother? Either breaking our laws is a "thing" or it isn't. SOME illegals are not better than others. Sorry, but I know people who have been struggling, bleeding out money to support these illegals. They even have lost their homes because they could not keep up with the unconstitutional taxation. I really have no sympathy for those who have leeched on the American people for a very long time. It's long past time to put America and OUR people first.
I concur. Luckily, our system of justice and law - while ideally blind - is not without reason and common sense, and allows for mitigating (and aggravating) circumstances. So while a daca recipient is here illegally, the fact they are not here of their own volition is certainly a mitigating circumstance, and likely an affirmative defense.
If I kidnap someone and take them to a military base without authorization, we are both in violation of the law. The person I kidnapped shouldn't be charged, and if they are, the fact I kidnapped them provides both a mitigating circumstance and an affirmative defense.
True, the person couldn't then live on base, lol. But it shouldn't keep them out of the military.