Since this does not affect 600,000 brought or wandered in illegally, I propose several things: 1) Denial of full U.S. citizenship ever, 2) Immediate removal if tried and convicted of any felony, 3) Denial of holding any governmental position, law license.
I know you mentioned it but I watched someone (family of 4) all with brand new cell phones pay 300 bucks on EBT at Walmart while I was grabbing fresh shit for dinner.
Yes thank you for that. I am sick of the anchor babies and before, during and after getting free health care, education, food, housing,etc. If a U.S. citizen needs aide, you work. Get the homeless off the streets and in mental hospitals.
That's reasonable, if course. If your parent squat in a house for when you're a year old and stay there for 15 years before getting evicted, you don't get to stay there because your parents broke the law.
But that kid shouldn't be charged with a crime either. His parents broke the law, not him.
I guess I see both sides on this issue. This is the only nation they know. If they are productive abs law abiding, I see no problem with a reasonable path to stay legally, or even obtain citizenship.
Likewise, there should be a reasonable path to send the bad ones back.
How about, if you bring a minor into the country illegally? You get deported and you forfeit your parental and familial rights. The kids stays and gets adopted out. But you can't come see them and they can't bring you over. Kid gets citizenship after adoption. If the illegals value what this country has to offer, it's a small price to pay to have your child raised in the land of opportunity.
Well that would be fine, but the SC issued a ruling protecting 600,000 DACA recipients. Unlike the Left, we follow the law, which includes the SC rulings.
The supreme court (I assume that's what SC is) DOES NOT MAKE LAWS. Their rulings are manure. This "ruling" is obviously contrary to the Constitution and is therefore null and void, like almost everything that comes from CONgress, SCOTUS, and state legislatures. Their job is to always be in agreement with the Constitution.
The point is to stop all incentives or "rewards" for illegally entering the US. There are legal ways to apply for asylum, green cards, work visas, and US citizenship. No one is against legal immigration.
People entering illegally have already committed crimes--violating both state and federal laws. Without significant consequences, this will continue.
wait you're against "legal immigration"?? The rational extreme of that argument is to give everything back to the Native Americans lol. My great grandparents came from Norway and Poland and I married a beautiful Christian Mexican woman who has more of a moral backbone than most Americans I know.
Some of these people's reward is simply being with their family. 600k people get through the border every 4-6 months. Just to put into perspective Trump offered residency to 1.2m for the wall that got built and is being built.
600k DACA =
No other crimes
Brought as Children
Paid $600 a year extra to the government
Some entered legally
Speak English
Banned for life automatically will not deter the 100k/month that don't even qualify.
They are here illegally, that’s why. They or their parents are here illegally. They broke the law,. We need a tough stance to stop this, along with finishing the wall.
Naw, we should execute the parents, put the child under indentured servitude until they've paid off their 'debt' to society, then execute them too, for having the audacity as a toddler to allow their parents to break the law.
Lol... No, I'm not 'good' with it. But I'm not okay with charging kids for the crimes of their relatives either.
If dad robs a bank, and his 11 month old daughter was in a car seat in the getaway vehicle, you shouldn't subsequently charge that gal as an accessory to the crime once she turns 18. That would be idiotic. Nor would it make sense to charge the gal with receiving stolen property. Now, a arguing said gal benefited financially (though unintentionally) from dad's crime? Probably have some grounds to file lawsuits in that regard.
If you found out YOU weren't actually a citizen (your parents are actually from Canada and have been here illegally and have lied to you since birth) would you be okay renouncing YOUR citizenship and being deported to Canada? Or, would you want to somehow, someway, become a citizen of the country to which you thought you belonged? Maybe you wouldn't, I dunno. Maybe you would move to Canada and shift your patriotism from the red white and blue to the maple leaf. Me, I'd rather be here.
I love (what's left of) this country, I was born here, raised here, and plan to die here. I've been to other countries, and I'm always relieved to return home. For someone who has only known the USA from their earliest experience, I can't fault them for the strong desire to be a part of America. I interact with many DACA recipients I interact with at the 'day job', and a solid majority are redpilled and based AF. Sure, there are always exceptions. But they shouldn't be held at fault for the crimes of the parents. Just because as patriots we may be used to being labeled 'guilty by association' doesn't mean we need to stoop the levels of our enemies. Punishing a person for the crimes of their family is something that happens in the DPRK and communist countries. It should never happen here. I like to think we're better than that.
I'm sure my solution to the problem isn't ideal, but what we have now obviously isn't working. Ultimately, secure borders would solve the problem before its a problem.
Since this does not affect 600,000 brought or wandered in illegally, I propose several things: 1) Denial of full U.S. citizenship ever, 2) Immediate removal if tried and convicted of any felony, 3) Denial of holding any governmental position, law license.
Adding to your list: The following should apply to every person, regardless of age, who enters the US illegally:
-- Deportation; no exceptions (there are legal entry places for those seeking asylum)
-- No limitations on deportations, regardless of how long they've been in the US.
-- Round 'em up and send them back; use all resources available, including militias.
-- No auto-citizenship for their kids born here; Congress must "fix" the high jacking and misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.
-- No taxpayer benefits... ZERO.
-- Enforce current laws and increase punishment for violations.
-- Finish the wall, beginning NOW.
Think this is too expensive and/or will take too long??
--The taxpayers have spent multi-trillions of dollars on ILLEGALS, even before Biden opened the border.
-- Over 80% of the +/- 30 million ILLEGALS already living here receive government assistance (i.e., forced taxpayer support).
--This doesn't account for CRIME, which is massive, costly, and horrific.
The problem of ILLEGAL Immigration will never end until ALL incentives are removed, and ALL laws are enforced.
The safety, security, and rights of Americans must come FIRST.
This X 1000^^^^^
I know you mentioned it but I watched someone (family of 4) all with brand new cell phones pay 300 bucks on EBT at Walmart while I was grabbing fresh shit for dinner.
Just saying I hate it is all lol
Yes thank you for that. I am sick of the anchor babies and before, during and after getting free health care, education, food, housing,etc. If a U.S. citizen needs aide, you work. Get the homeless off the streets and in mental hospitals.
But likewise don't charge a 16yo with a crime just because mom brought him over illegally when he was 6 months old.
The 16 yo still has to go back.
And I don't care if the kid doesn't speak the language.
Send them back anyway.
They'll learn fast enough.
I'm not paying for a tutor, either.
That's reasonable, if course. If your parent squat in a house for when you're a year old and stay there for 15 years before getting evicted, you don't get to stay there because your parents broke the law.
But that kid shouldn't be charged with a crime either. His parents broke the law, not him.
I guess I see both sides on this issue. This is the only nation they know. If they are productive abs law abiding, I see no problem with a reasonable path to stay legally, or even obtain citizenship.
Likewise, there should be a reasonable path to send the bad ones back.
Just my 2 cents.
Cut off the taxpayer gravy train and a whole lot of them will self deport.
A good number of them are only here to bleed the taxpayer and have less than zero alliance to this country.
How about, if you bring a minor into the country illegally? You get deported and you forfeit your parental and familial rights. The kids stays and gets adopted out. But you can't come see them and they can't bring you over. Kid gets citizenship after adoption. If the illegals value what this country has to offer, it's a small price to pay to have your child raised in the land of opportunity.
How about we just send them back where they came from
Well that would be fine, but the SC issued a ruling protecting 600,000 DACA recipients. Unlike the Left, we follow the law, which includes the SC rulings.
The supreme court (I assume that's what SC is) DOES NOT MAKE LAWS. Their rulings are manure. This "ruling" is obviously contrary to the Constitution and is therefore null and void, like almost everything that comes from CONgress, SCOTUS, and state legislatures. Their job is to always be in agreement with the Constitution.
Kick em out even for a parking ticket!
Why
The point is to stop all incentives or "rewards" for illegally entering the US. There are legal ways to apply for asylum, green cards, work visas, and US citizenship. No one is against legal immigration.
People entering illegally have already committed crimes--violating both state and federal laws. Without significant consequences, this will continue.
Um yeah I am against legal immigration and you all should be too.
wait you're against "legal immigration"?? The rational extreme of that argument is to give everything back to the Native Americans lol. My great grandparents came from Norway and Poland and I married a beautiful Christian Mexican woman who has more of a moral backbone than most Americans I know.
Unless they have been trafficked against their will and can reasonably show this.
Maybe those guys can apply for citizenship by the proper channels.
edit - apply from outside the US
I would CONSIDER that but, if they were trafficked, they'd want to go back home. So, problem solved.
Some of these people's reward is simply being with their family. 600k people get through the border every 4-6 months. Just to put into perspective Trump offered residency to 1.2m for the wall that got built and is being built.
600k DACA =
No other crimes
Brought as Children
Paid $600 a year extra to the government
Some entered legally
Speak English
Banned for life automatically will not deter the 100k/month that don't even qualify.
Illegal means law breakers. We don't need to "import" law breakers. There are enough here already.
They are here illegally, that’s why. They or their parents are here illegally. They broke the law,. We need a tough stance to stop this, along with finishing the wall.
They aren't stateless. They have citizenship in the country of their birth.
I say, give them all green cards. No citizenship.
Fuck em all deport all non citizens we don’t need more people.
Well green card holders can become citizens after 5 years.
Maybe. There are no guarantees and should never be.
So, you're good with a pregnant illegal coming here specifically to drop her load on American soil? THAT should be rewarded? Get real.
(snarky answer)
Naw, we should execute the parents, put the child under indentured servitude until they've paid off their 'debt' to society, then execute them too, for having the audacity as a toddler to allow their parents to break the law.
(real answer)
Lol... No, I'm not 'good' with it. But I'm not okay with charging kids for the crimes of their relatives either.
If dad robs a bank, and his 11 month old daughter was in a car seat in the getaway vehicle, you shouldn't subsequently charge that gal as an accessory to the crime once she turns 18. That would be idiotic. Nor would it make sense to charge the gal with receiving stolen property. Now, a arguing said gal benefited financially (though unintentionally) from dad's crime? Probably have some grounds to file lawsuits in that regard.
If you found out YOU weren't actually a citizen (your parents are actually from Canada and have been here illegally and have lied to you since birth) would you be okay renouncing YOUR citizenship and being deported to Canada? Or, would you want to somehow, someway, become a citizen of the country to which you thought you belonged? Maybe you wouldn't, I dunno. Maybe you would move to Canada and shift your patriotism from the red white and blue to the maple leaf. Me, I'd rather be here.
I love (what's left of) this country, I was born here, raised here, and plan to die here. I've been to other countries, and I'm always relieved to return home. For someone who has only known the USA from their earliest experience, I can't fault them for the strong desire to be a part of America. I interact with many DACA recipients I interact with at the 'day job', and a solid majority are redpilled and based AF. Sure, there are always exceptions. But they shouldn't be held at fault for the crimes of the parents. Just because as patriots we may be used to being labeled 'guilty by association' doesn't mean we need to stoop the levels of our enemies. Punishing a person for the crimes of their family is something that happens in the DPRK and communist countries. It should never happen here. I like to think we're better than that.
I'm sure my solution to the problem isn't ideal, but what we have now obviously isn't working. Ultimately, secure borders would solve the problem before its a problem.