Absolutely, part of the information you provide is your State Driver's License number, your birthdate, and physical description. The Gun Dealer than adds whether you are, or are not known to him - and either way, the data is gathered.
The Gun Dealer than calls the ATF number, to register the sale, and passes this information over the phone to an agent, verbally - where he is then given an authorization code, that he will write on the registration form.
Did this several times, as I have a close personal friend that has a permit, and was able to score some super good wholesale prices. Depending upon where you live, there may be quite a few people who do this as a side job.
It’s so much worse in California… since there’s now a background check for buying ammo, if you buy ammo for a caliber/gun not on file (ie. You are going shooting with a friend and buy ammo to shoot in his gun) you are flagged in the system…currently nothing happens but the theory is that one day they could raid your house thinking you have illegal guns
Oh and California works with local gun (cabelas/Sportsmans warehouse) stores in Reno NV to notify CA law enforcement of California residents buying ammo who are likely taking it home.
This was all told to me by a county DA’s office investigator I know. I work in social services and he is our fraud investigator.
The dealer would call in only if the online NICS system was down. 99.99% of all 4473's are entered electronically into an ATF/FBI NICS system. That system will shoot back "proceed", "delay", "deny".
My point is that the information is collected more efficiently than someone verbally giving info over the phone. In fact, its been expedited. It can take less than a minute to enter info and get a response back whereas it could take 10-15 min speaking directly to an agent.
I worked at a large retail firearm chain for two years and not once called in one form.
Also, in addition to 4473's, many folks apply for CCW permits. The government already knows who owns guns and is no secret.
Well, my friend was running out of his home, and I sat next to him when he called. I can see where it would be completely impractical to have a large retail chain perform this task.
I agree that online would be far faster, and more efficient. Last firearm I purchased was about 2 years ago, and I can't imagine that they would update the entire system that soon. All I know is he called a number, identified himself and his dealer number, reported a transfer, gave make, model and SN of the firearm, then read my Driver's license number, pronounced and spelled my information. This took a couple minutes, and then he received an authorization code, that he entered in his copy of the records. I have no idea of how long he has to retain those records. I know he had online access, because I helped install the system - but for reasons I don't know, he used the phone.
To your point with the CCW, one of the reasons I got my CCW was to allow faster processing, the Gov't has my prints, name, address and the fact that I work for them - they also have my clearance data, which knows they know more about me than my wife ever will.
My buddy has a license to buy/sell guns, and ran a business out of his home. This Gun Dealer's license allowed him to sell fully assembled guns, pistols and shotguns - but NOT to buy and assemble rifles, such as the AR - from his home.
I believe the lastest requirements to get and keep this type of license is you must process 20+ transactions/year. They don't want people using this for personal use, they expect you to run a legitimate business. My friend probably sold 20 firearms/month, which is a cool $4k+/year working a few hours a week at home - with the added benefit of buying used guns in trade..
Many people do this, essentially you would go to a wholesale site, and purchase your firearm with your VISA, it would be then sent to the registered Gun Dealer on file. So, he would receive your firearm; you would then pay him a "Registration Fee" for him to take your information and register the firearm. In my case, I brought along $20 + tip, and after some paperwork, went home with my firearm.
So, run to Cabella's or Bass Pro and look at the assortment of firearms for the pistol you like. Save ~$50-150 by ordering it wholesale, wait a week for it to arrive at your buddy's place, pay him for his services, and drive home with a shiny new, in the box firearm.
Say the S&W M&P 9mm Shield for $297 with 2 clips. Or a couple of AR-15 lowers for $49 each, and build it with parts you picked up over time.
Oh, I see. Thanks. That's pretty cool. I never heard of someone selling part-time from home like that. Wish I knew someone who did. Sounds like you can save some decent $. Appreciate the answer.
When you buy a gun from a dealer and complete the background check information, wouldn't they already have your home address??
Absolutely, part of the information you provide is your State Driver's License number, your birthdate, and physical description. The Gun Dealer than adds whether you are, or are not known to him - and either way, the data is gathered.
The Gun Dealer than calls the ATF number, to register the sale, and passes this information over the phone to an agent, verbally - where he is then given an authorization code, that he will write on the registration form.
Did this several times, as I have a close personal friend that has a permit, and was able to score some super good wholesale prices. Depending upon where you live, there may be quite a few people who do this as a side job.
It’s so much worse in California… since there’s now a background check for buying ammo, if you buy ammo for a caliber/gun not on file (ie. You are going shooting with a friend and buy ammo to shoot in his gun) you are flagged in the system…currently nothing happens but the theory is that one day they could raid your house thinking you have illegal guns
Oh and California works with local gun (cabelas/Sportsmans warehouse) stores in Reno NV to notify CA law enforcement of California residents buying ammo who are likely taking it home. This was all told to me by a county DA’s office investigator I know. I work in social services and he is our fraud investigator.
Same thing's been going on for years concerning Illinois and surrounding state ammo sales.
Been behind IL shoppers in line at Gander Mtn & Academy and the cashier always checks for IL drivers license.
The dealer would call in only if the online NICS system was down. 99.99% of all 4473's are entered electronically into an ATF/FBI NICS system. That system will shoot back "proceed", "delay", "deny".
My point is that the information is collected more efficiently than someone verbally giving info over the phone. In fact, its been expedited. It can take less than a minute to enter info and get a response back whereas it could take 10-15 min speaking directly to an agent.
I worked at a large retail firearm chain for two years and not once called in one form.
Also, in addition to 4473's, many folks apply for CCW permits. The government already knows who owns guns and is no secret.
Well, my friend was running out of his home, and I sat next to him when he called. I can see where it would be completely impractical to have a large retail chain perform this task.
I agree that online would be far faster, and more efficient. Last firearm I purchased was about 2 years ago, and I can't imagine that they would update the entire system that soon. All I know is he called a number, identified himself and his dealer number, reported a transfer, gave make, model and SN of the firearm, then read my Driver's license number, pronounced and spelled my information. This took a couple minutes, and then he received an authorization code, that he entered in his copy of the records. I have no idea of how long he has to retain those records. I know he had online access, because I helped install the system - but for reasons I don't know, he used the phone.
To your point with the CCW, one of the reasons I got my CCW was to allow faster processing, the Gov't has my prints, name, address and the fact that I work for them - they also have my clearance data, which knows they know more about me than my wife ever will.
Do what as a side job?
FFL
My buddy has a license to buy/sell guns, and ran a business out of his home. This Gun Dealer's license allowed him to sell fully assembled guns, pistols and shotguns - but NOT to buy and assemble rifles, such as the AR - from his home. I believe the lastest requirements to get and keep this type of license is you must process 20+ transactions/year. They don't want people using this for personal use, they expect you to run a legitimate business. My friend probably sold 20 firearms/month, which is a cool $4k+/year working a few hours a week at home - with the added benefit of buying used guns in trade..
Many people do this, essentially you would go to a wholesale site, and purchase your firearm with your VISA, it would be then sent to the registered Gun Dealer on file. So, he would receive your firearm; you would then pay him a "Registration Fee" for him to take your information and register the firearm. In my case, I brought along $20 + tip, and after some paperwork, went home with my firearm.
So, run to Cabella's or Bass Pro and look at the assortment of firearms for the pistol you like. Save ~$50-150 by ordering it wholesale, wait a week for it to arrive at your buddy's place, pay him for his services, and drive home with a shiny new, in the box firearm.
Say the S&W M&P 9mm Shield for $297 with 2 clips. Or a couple of AR-15 lowers for $49 each, and build it with parts you picked up over time.
Oh, I see. Thanks. That's pretty cool. I never heard of someone selling part-time from home like that. Wish I knew someone who did. Sounds like you can save some decent $. Appreciate the answer.
Yes they do have it