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posted 3 years ago by 369Q 3 years ago by 369Q +71 / -0
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– Narg 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

Thank you for all the quotes. Tolkien is really a patron saint of the Great Awakening.

I'm one who believes Tolkien's abolitionist message deserves more ink here at GA. Not because we likely could abolish forcible government soon, but because it really is as important a task for the long-term as was ending chattel slavery.

Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is specifically about the evil of coercive State Power, and the Ring of Power is as clear and blatant a symbol as I can imagine. It isn't the "Ring of Corruption" or the "Ring of Evil" or of anything else, but of POWER, plain and simple. Power over others. In particular, the ability to INITIATE coercion against other people (coercion used in defense of the innocent is very different, of course).

The State is the ultimate prize for the sociopath and the natural home of the psychopath; watch how they scramble to attain the Power of the State! As part of the State, or even as partner TO the State, one can force millions to do (or not do) almost anything, even against their will and against their best interests -- and one doesn't get ARRESTED for doing this, not when one is wielding or directing or buying the Power of the State, no: IT'S a highly-respected and even sacred JOB and those who do it are treated as royalty instead of as criminals.

No wonder the Ring of Power is so addictive! No wonder it corrupts even innocent souls! Frodo is the hero of the story because he alone is able to carry the ring without quickly becoming corrupt, but even he feels it eating away at him. For us, Trump is (among other things) our Frodo; able to carry the Power without becoming corrupted; working to whittle the Power down, to give Power back to the People, to remove forcible regulations and laws and stupidities from the backs of the citizens.

But the corruption and addictive quality of Power is real and very few can resist after touching it. No wonder America's small Ring of Power -- constitutional government -- GREW over the years into the monster we have today. Civil society -- a FREE society, where regulation, protective services (police, etc), and everything else -- including, yes, national defense -- is safer, less costly, more efficient, better run, and more effective than using coercive government, because "everything government touches turns to shit." And by "shit" I mean corruption, violence, aggressive war, and all manner of tyranny.

Tolkien's Lord of the Rings weaves that truth into an epic story, and that kernel of truth is the important part of the tale. Here is Gandalf refusing to even touch the Ring and explaining why (dialog from the Peter Jackson film version):


Frodo, desperately handing the Ring to Gandalf)

  • Take it, Gandalf. Take it!

(Gandalf, backing away from the Ring)

  • No, Frodo.

(Frodo)

  • You must take it!

(Gandalf)

  • You cannot offer me this Ring.

(Frodo)

  • I'm giving it to you!

(Gandalf)

  • Don't tempt me, Frodo! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe. Understand, Frodo – I would use this Ring from a desire to do good . . . [long pause] . . . but through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.
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– brain_dead 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

I will give you 5+ if I can. Good summary.

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– StarSpangled 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Hiked the AT last year. One has a lot of time to think of things, the ins and outs of reality and other workings of life while you walk along under the green tunnel.

While hiking, I quite often listened to audio books of Tolkien's works. Almost feeling like I was part of the journey at times. I can tell by the way he describes nature and other things in the world of Middle Earth that he spent a good amount of time in the woods himself running chatter through his own cranium working out the world.

These are all great quotes by him! Thank you for posting them. I always forget how many wise, deep things he wrote.

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." J.R.R. Tolkien

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– MAGA_mandalorian 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

That's by and far my favorite LOTR/Tolkien quotes. The delivery by gandalf is tender but also wise. You can almost see the glimmer of hope in his eyes. Sometimes I feel like this is something God tells us all too.

  • "The circumstances of our birth are irrelevant" - Mewtwo.* I know it's not a Tolkien quote but it goes along with it well. We decide the fate of our short lives
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– Bito-on 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Love these!!! got cold chills reading through...

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– MAGA_mandalorian 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

There's nothing wrong with drawing inspiration from a fantasy book. It may not be real life, but a real person wrote them. These quotes are timeless and actually have meaning in the real world. A message of hope, of driving away the darkness, of better and brighter days ahead of us. Rebellions are built on hope. And we're rebelling against the corrupt system because we have the hope that they will be taken down and our time of bondage to come to an end, by the grace of God.

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