Not sure where that is from, but typically these folks use the word "love" to mean the carnal sort of love. These folks think that passion should rule their lives (and yours). Pathos, not Logos.
As such, they are at best Rousseau-ian. But, really, it is just better to say they are Satanic.
It's the second half of the quote you just quoted. It is the second line that follows the line you posted in crowleys work. You speak with such authority but reveal that you are clueless about what you speak, only repeating what others have fed you.
The Trinity in esoteric religions is the heart, the mind, and the will. Crowley was very big on will above all (and then the degenerate died a heroin addict with no will of his own, the irony).
Love under will means to act with love (open to interpretation) within your own will, or what YOU want to accomplish.
As usual the fundamentalist nutjobs in here go nuts and act out their own version of “everything is proof of white supremacy and systemic racism”. Only instead, it’s “everything is proof satanism is in all things in the secular world”
Effectively what the thelemic law states is that no man can control man or should control man, only gods will controls man.
Crowley was a giant piece of shi, flawed like all of us, but he did have really solid writing and ideas. His over all concept is that there is a divine will for all of us, and all we need to do is to tap into it and play the role. Whether that means you are charles fucking Manson or Nikola Tesla is irrelevant, as each role plays a part.
Inb4 some dolt takes a quote from Crowley out of context to push their agenda … same way atheist cucks will try to put all their eggs in one basket based on a passage about keeping slaves or women being seen and not heard
You trying to explain how it’s possible to extract good logical philosophical insight from the life and writings of Crowley is like watching someone lick the choad of a gangbanged tranny and turn around to explain to people about how the salt you extracted is actually beneficial to the human body.
we all know what happens when the left actually try to engage an argument and hit a wall - they resort to baseless and/or weak character attacks, aka The text equivalent of chimping out
The entire quote is actually "Do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will. "
You are god, there IS a right and wrong, but you must choose it. You can't force others to be good. You can't stop others from being evil. It can't be forced. You can only help others to make the choice to do good or evil.
He said at a point early in his journey, that his purpose was to.... bring forth restricted light and knowledge to the world, by 'playing the role' of the anti-christ.
He was more chaos than pure black (at first at least) and tried out lots of religions ideas, and served many deities/ entities in a scientific manner to figure out what they were all about and how useful each was (and suggested to others to do the same, instead of relying on what we are told)
He had a really tough childhood and did NOT like the hypocritical control system religions with false promises and answers that was shoved at him, and was all about rebelling against that, and making Christians open their eyes up to the lies of the church and get the hidden world out of the shadows and out into the public consciousness.
His 'great work' was exposing the secrets of the church elders, secret societies, political string pullers, and elite cabal circles. To do this, he had to become them in the most extreme way. He saw himself as 'sacrificing' his life for others, to wash away the secrets of the past and bring forth the same truths Jesus was talking about from a different angle in an increasingly atheist world where the religion and 'science' around the 'supernatural' had become a mockery of the real truths of this reality.
The greatest lie the devil ever spread was that he didn't exist.
Crowley puts people on the path to God, in his own twisted way, by showing them the devil and pure evil are real & the consequences of living that life path.
at least, that was what he told himself and others at one point.... Could have been lies.
This is both "what I already knew" and a totally fresh take on his life. Thank you. I knew he'd gone into a variety of religious ideas, but did not know the motivations you describe. Indeed now he sounds most like someone I should admire more. However, I am very wary of opening doors I don't know much about, so I doubt I would ever follow his example, at least to the degree that it appears he did.
Thanks for the detailed response and insight.
EDIT: I liked also that you stated he chose the third way, Chaos. There is as you say not just Black or White: Brahma and Vishnu are not complete without Shiva. And since I already quoted Jeremiah in a post on this thread, I am reminded of another quote from the same "Call of Jeremiah".
"See, today I appoint you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant.”
How goes it Mahvelous Marvin, my "no virus" comrade in arms!!
I don't take that same "meaning" at all. I'm not making any moral judgments, just evaluating the words on their face.
To me it means what it says without adding anything else to it; you are free to do whatever you want irrespective of the moral benefits or consequences.
You don't have to be "God" to do whatever you want. You are able to "do as thou wilt" in any given moment, which is effectively "you have free will" as I see it. That's all.
Others on this thread have mentioned that a lot of these "esoteric" beliefs are not good or bad, but that thinking makes it so (quote from Shakespeare). Meaning, there are powers in the universe, and one can wield these powers for good or for evil. You decide.
Shakespeare and Bacon were possibly the same person. In light of Bacon's involvement in some of these societies, I consider Shakespeare's quote to be not coincidental.
I like your quote. I did not know Rumi. Sufi. I think those folks, the Zoroastrians and the Ahura Mazda folks are/were all much closer to God than the Hollow Men religions we have today. Leaning together, headpieces filled with straw.
The quote seems to following along the lines of Nietszche's "Beyond Good and Evil". And, in a way, like Søren Kierkegaard. Or even Tesla. "If one wishes to understand the Universe, one must learn to think in terms of frequency and vibration."
And then there’s others on here who know who about people like Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and about their fun little clubs like the theosophical society and the esalen institute. We understand the creation of the melting pot of esoteric religions and mysticism through the emergence of the plethora of new age spiritualism choices that they created to trick naive people into joining their lucifarian intentions without realizing that the ideas and philosophies they adhere to were created and disseminated by lucifarians.
"The word “thou” originates from Old English. Although is used as an ordinary pronoun meaning “you,” it was once used in certain Bible translations to refer exclusively to God and was capitalized."
So it can be translated to "Do What God Wills." Though I believe it's sort of both. Crowley spoke of finding one's True Will. Which is free will but aligned with God - one's true purpose.
thanks for speaking truth among the lies being spread in here by people who have likely never cracked open any of crowleys works before, let alone truly are “awakened” and allow themselves to take advantage of the freedom of thought our creator struggles to give us.
Crowley himself is a pretty shitty person, but his insights/wisdoms and what have you tend to be very solid.
Personally my favorite bit is about explaining nuit and hadit.
The entire quote is "Do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law."
Meaning, you are God. Meaning, there is no right or wrong, only what you want.
What does "love is the law, love under will" mean?
Not sure where that is from, but typically these folks use the word "love" to mean the carnal sort of love. These folks think that passion should rule their lives (and yours). Pathos, not Logos.
As such, they are at best Rousseau-ian. But, really, it is just better to say they are Satanic.
It's the second half of the quote you just quoted. It is the second line that follows the line you posted in crowleys work. You speak with such authority but reveal that you are clueless about what you speak, only repeating what others have fed you.
The Trinity in esoteric religions is the heart, the mind, and the will. Crowley was very big on will above all (and then the degenerate died a heroin addict with no will of his own, the irony).
Love under will means to act with love (open to interpretation) within your own will, or what YOU want to accomplish.
As usual the fundamentalist nutjobs in here go nuts and act out their own version of “everything is proof of white supremacy and systemic racism”. Only instead, it’s “everything is proof satanism is in all things in the secular world”
Effectively what the thelemic law states is that no man can control man or should control man, only gods will controls man.
Crowley was a giant piece of shi, flawed like all of us, but he did have really solid writing and ideas. His over all concept is that there is a divine will for all of us, and all we need to do is to tap into it and play the role. Whether that means you are charles fucking Manson or Nikola Tesla is irrelevant, as each role plays a part.
Inb4 some dolt takes a quote from Crowley out of context to push their agenda … same way atheist cucks will try to put all their eggs in one basket based on a passage about keeping slaves or women being seen and not heard
You trying to explain how it’s possible to extract good logical philosophical insight from the life and writings of Crowley is like watching someone lick the choad of a gangbanged tranny and turn around to explain to people about how the salt you extracted is actually beneficial to the human body.
we all know what happens when the left actually try to engage an argument and hit a wall - they resort to baseless and/or weak character attacks, aka The text equivalent of chimping out
You may have hit that wall my friend.
The entire quote is actually "Do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will. "
You are god, there IS a right and wrong, but you must choose it. You can't force others to be good. You can't stop others from being evil. It can't be forced. You can only help others to make the choice to do good or evil.
Fair enough, but in the case of Mr. Crowley, it doesn't appear he chose the White. It appears he chose the Black.
But, also, I wasn't there. I don't know.
He said at a point early in his journey, that his purpose was to.... bring forth restricted light and knowledge to the world, by 'playing the role' of the anti-christ.
He was more chaos than pure black (at first at least) and tried out lots of religions ideas, and served many deities/ entities in a scientific manner to figure out what they were all about and how useful each was (and suggested to others to do the same, instead of relying on what we are told)
He had a really tough childhood and did NOT like the hypocritical control system religions with false promises and answers that was shoved at him, and was all about rebelling against that, and making Christians open their eyes up to the lies of the church and get the hidden world out of the shadows and out into the public consciousness.
His 'great work' was exposing the secrets of the church elders, secret societies, political string pullers, and elite cabal circles. To do this, he had to become them in the most extreme way. He saw himself as 'sacrificing' his life for others, to wash away the secrets of the past and bring forth the same truths Jesus was talking about from a different angle in an increasingly atheist world where the religion and 'science' around the 'supernatural' had become a mockery of the real truths of this reality.
The greatest lie the devil ever spread was that he didn't exist.
Crowley puts people on the path to God, in his own twisted way, by showing them the devil and pure evil are real & the consequences of living that life path.
at least, that was what he told himself and others at one point.... Could have been lies.
This is both "what I already knew" and a totally fresh take on his life. Thank you. I knew he'd gone into a variety of religious ideas, but did not know the motivations you describe. Indeed now he sounds most like someone I should admire more. However, I am very wary of opening doors I don't know much about, so I doubt I would ever follow his example, at least to the degree that it appears he did.
Thanks for the detailed response and insight.
EDIT: I liked also that you stated he chose the third way, Chaos. There is as you say not just Black or White: Brahma and Vishnu are not complete without Shiva. And since I already quoted Jeremiah in a post on this thread, I am reminded of another quote from the same "Call of Jeremiah".
"See, today I appoint you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant.”
Destroy to build.
Well said
How goes it Mahvelous Marvin, my "no virus" comrade in arms!!
I don't take that same "meaning" at all. I'm not making any moral judgments, just evaluating the words on their face.
To me it means what it says without adding anything else to it; you are free to do whatever you want irrespective of the moral benefits or consequences.
You don't have to be "God" to do whatever you want. You are able to "do as thou wilt" in any given moment, which is effectively "you have free will" as I see it. That's all.
Others on this thread have mentioned that a lot of these "esoteric" beliefs are not good or bad, but that thinking makes it so (quote from Shakespeare). Meaning, there are powers in the universe, and one can wield these powers for good or for evil. You decide.
Indeed. One of my favorite quotes. Hard for most to come to terms with.
Here's another: "Out beyond the realm of right-doing and wrong-doing there's a field; I'll meet you there" - Rumi
Shakespeare and Bacon were possibly the same person. In light of Bacon's involvement in some of these societies, I consider Shakespeare's quote to be not coincidental.
I like your quote. I did not know Rumi. Sufi. I think those folks, the Zoroastrians and the Ahura Mazda folks are/were all much closer to God than the Hollow Men religions we have today. Leaning together, headpieces filled with straw.
The quote seems to following along the lines of Nietszche's "Beyond Good and Evil". And, in a way, like Søren Kierkegaard. Or even Tesla. "If one wishes to understand the Universe, one must learn to think in terms of frequency and vibration."
And then there’s others on here who know who about people like Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and about their fun little clubs like the theosophical society and the esalen institute. We understand the creation of the melting pot of esoteric religions and mysticism through the emergence of the plethora of new age spiritualism choices that they created to trick naive people into joining their lucifarian intentions without realizing that the ideas and philosophies they adhere to were created and disseminated by lucifarians.
I'm not a joiner. And I do not seek "power". Only self-knowledge and self-control.
Blavatsky is interesting. Aleister Crowley just seems like a bounder.
"The word “thou” originates from Old English. Although is used as an ordinary pronoun meaning “you,” it was once used in certain Bible translations to refer exclusively to God and was capitalized."
So it can be translated to "Do What God Wills." Though I believe it's sort of both. Crowley spoke of finding one's True Will. Which is free will but aligned with God - one's true purpose.
Thou is not capitalized, by Aleister Crowley. He means that you are the God. Not YHWH or whatever is your name for God.
thanks for speaking truth among the lies being spread in here by people who have likely never cracked open any of crowleys works before, let alone truly are “awakened” and allow themselves to take advantage of the freedom of thought our creator struggles to give us.
Crowley himself is a pretty shitty person, but his insights/wisdoms and what have you tend to be very solid.
Personally my favorite bit is about explaining nuit and hadit.