Taking money from the govt doesn't make a company government. If it did, farmers, energy companies, airlines, rail, banks, and even people that got tax breaks due to natural disasters would be government. This is not that hard to understand.
And again - you are right govt can't violate the constitution by proxy. In this case the stuff that was published today seemed to be dealing with the Biden campaign. Campaign - i.e. they were not yet government. If however someone that was actually government was also involved then they broke the law and should be hammered. I believe someone in the government did help the campaign, but the campaign was not government and not subject to the 1st amendment.
Enough with the retard stuff - that was a dick comment.
Enough with the retard stuff - that was a dick comment.
True, but I have had enough of libertarians standing by while it got to this point.
But the fact remains that the government cannot provide incentive or demand in any fashion -- any fashion -- for a company to censor on their behalf. That would fall under the "abridging" line.
Apologies, but it's a frustrating subject in general.
No worries. I think we are both actually saying the same thing.
And it's not just the libertarians - RINOs sold us out and they are by far harder to deal with and get rid of (Lisa Murkowski for example). Libertarians are often closer to conservatives or constitutionalists than RINOs are. I agree with a little bit of what libertarians believe (as long as it doesn't conflict with my conservative ideals), and in many cases I'd rather have a libertarian in congress over a RINO. We would probably have less spending and regulation. RINOs always bend over at the first sign of conflict, or they stab you in the back (like McConnell and McCarthy).
Term limits, and a completely new House and Senate with a ban for 1 or 2 terms on everyone currently serving would fix a lot of problems.
I have some serious questions from you. you say government cant violate by proxy then what about j6. They let people in the front door, then arrested them. Please tell me what you think about the oath keepers.
I already said the Oath Keepers are patriots. They are made up of ex cops and ex military. If you think it is weird that they wore masks to J6 I don't know what to say to you. I'm pretty sure ex cops and ex military would properly prepare to go to something that they knew would devolve into violence. It was likely not their first time wearing gas masks. I know I had to do the gas mask training overseas when I was military. I carried my chem gear with me in my car for 2 years while I was stationed in Europe, and we had plenty of chemical exercises. If you think that because the govt went after and arrested oath keepers I'd suggest you remember the govt also went after soccer moms going to school board meetings, and classified them as domestic terrorists.
As for the government violating the Constitution by proxy - it is illegal. Now - when the government, the DOJ, and the FBI are all corrupt who do you think will actually arrest them and hold them responsible? Even if someone does, the courts are corrupt in DC so it will never go anywhere.
That's entirely possible. The feds infiltrated J6 and probably some of the individual groups as well. The point is - even if the feds infiltrated the Oath Keepers that does not mean the Oath Keepers are bad. It means the feds are bad. The feds like Ray Epps pretended to be MAGA patriots also, but that doesn't mean MAGA patriots are bad.
Taking money from the govt doesn't make a company government. If it did, farmers, energy companies, airlines, rail, banks, and even people that got tax breaks due to natural disasters would be government. This is not that hard to understand.
And again - you are right govt can't violate the constitution by proxy. In this case the stuff that was published today seemed to be dealing with the Biden campaign. Campaign - i.e. they were not yet government. If however someone that was actually government was also involved then they broke the law and should be hammered. I believe someone in the government did help the campaign, but the campaign was not government and not subject to the 1st amendment.
Enough with the retard stuff - that was a dick comment.
True, but I have had enough of libertarians standing by while it got to this point.
But the fact remains that the government cannot provide incentive or demand in any fashion -- any fashion -- for a company to censor on their behalf. That would fall under the "abridging" line.
Apologies, but it's a frustrating subject in general.
No worries. I think we are both actually saying the same thing.
And it's not just the libertarians - RINOs sold us out and they are by far harder to deal with and get rid of (Lisa Murkowski for example). Libertarians are often closer to conservatives or constitutionalists than RINOs are. I agree with a little bit of what libertarians believe (as long as it doesn't conflict with my conservative ideals), and in many cases I'd rather have a libertarian in congress over a RINO. We would probably have less spending and regulation. RINOs always bend over at the first sign of conflict, or they stab you in the back (like McConnell and McCarthy).
Term limits, and a completely new House and Senate with a ban for 1 or 2 terms on everyone currently serving would fix a lot of problems.
I have some serious questions from you. you say government cant violate by proxy then what about j6. They let people in the front door, then arrested them. Please tell me what you think about the oath keepers.
I already said the Oath Keepers are patriots. They are made up of ex cops and ex military. If you think it is weird that they wore masks to J6 I don't know what to say to you. I'm pretty sure ex cops and ex military would properly prepare to go to something that they knew would devolve into violence. It was likely not their first time wearing gas masks. I know I had to do the gas mask training overseas when I was military. I carried my chem gear with me in my car for 2 years while I was stationed in Europe, and we had plenty of chemical exercises. If you think that because the govt went after and arrested oath keepers I'd suggest you remember the govt also went after soccer moms going to school board meetings, and classified them as domestic terrorists.
As for the government violating the Constitution by proxy - it is illegal. Now - when the government, the DOJ, and the FBI are all corrupt who do you think will actually arrest them and hold them responsible? Even if someone does, the courts are corrupt in DC so it will never go anywhere.
I ma not picking a fight with you. I worry that some of them were under cover feds at j6. I understand what they are about.
That's entirely possible. The feds infiltrated J6 and probably some of the individual groups as well. The point is - even if the feds infiltrated the Oath Keepers that does not mean the Oath Keepers are bad. It means the feds are bad. The feds like Ray Epps pretended to be MAGA patriots also, but that doesn't mean MAGA patriots are bad.