Occultists, writers, and occultic writers have reasonably postulated (from a myopic point of view) that Christianity is based in lies and that it actually uses far more ancient occultic pagan symbols, names, and concepts, obscured by the knowledge gap between the "profane" and the "initiate", and that in the modern example of Christianity the practices performed are actually ancient occultic rituals.
While I think that it is partly true, that Christ/Chrestos is not a term specifically for Yeshua and comes from Oracleist temple initiate tradition and that modern Christianity does use pagan rites and older concepts, I offer a rebuttal to the idea that it nullifies the sacrifice of Yeshua to take away the sins of the world.
I think that rather than the salvation of Christ being a lie because of the usage of pagan symbols in it's practice, it's actually the opposite, in that it's actually Yeshua's sacrifice using worldly (the world being the domain of Satan) symbols so that salvation from sin through Yeshua's sacrifice can manifest itself in those who profanely use said symbols and rites.
It is a fulfillment of Yeshua's practice on Earth of dining with Tax Collectors and Sinners. That is; it brings the healing to the sick who by their fleshly nature will always be partially dominated by the symbols of the world. Rather than nullifying it, it confirms that all can be saved from sinful nature.
For as far as I can tell, it is the only religion that dictates necessarily that one depart from sin, that there are codified acts of evil that can be and must be departed from.
Other religions talk about various states of enlightenment but make no effort to document the state of said enlightenment, or equate it with a specific set of rules of "goodness", and thus make no effort to dictate specific rules of "badness".
It is thus through the handing down of the Commandments to Moses that Israel's people were "chosen". Not by birthright or geneaology, over which many wars have been fought, but simply by the act of providing them with the "rules of goodness" which have formed the backbone of the healthier aspects of our profane society.
Thus, Christianity is the religion of becoming one with the Father by departing from sin, which uses ancient worldly symbols to appeal to the nature of the flesh, so that the flesh can open the door to the spirit.
Other religions practiced by the Egyptian/Masonic/Crowlean/Osirian sects see a unification of opposites into a third state of being as the door into enlightenment, but that enlightenment is the false enlightenment offered by the serpent to Eve, the knowledge of good AND evil synthesized into a being who thinks that they can now become God (the third state of being). This state of being is an ilusion, as the human is dominated by the World, the World is dominated by Satan, and Satan is dominated by God. God has no boundaries and is a law unto Himself.
Many will try lead you from the path of Yeshua and thus God, and will use such discussions to lead your mind into arguing against God, Yeshua the Messiah, and ultimately lead you into seeking gnosis elsewhere in avenues that do not conform to the core tenet of "Sin no more".
It is this core tenet that they tempt you into betraying. And as flesh dominated by the world, our viewpoint and ability to reason is limited, thus arguments that seem intellectual will often completely miss the spiritual core of it all in "Sin no more" and "Forgiveness for Sins already committed".
I've been thinking about this all morning in one form or another, and would like to discuss it with all of you. Debate and discussion is encouraged.
Question: To the best of YOUR knowledge, are there other religions and spiritual practices that necessitate the departure from sin?
All I have studied do, it's just a matter of word interpretation. Herein lies the rub.
The IDEA being addressed by all worthy spiritual traditions is one of **Self-Realization". But this IDEA is wholly couched in metaphor when reading spiritual texts up until the late 1880s.
And so what was borne out of all these metaphorical stories are adherents taking these things Literally. Herein lies a second rub.
The word "sin" used in biblical scripture, was defined in that time as "Missing the Mark". It was a borrowed term frequently used in archery.
But what does it mean to "miss the mark"? Someone who wishes to cling to today's modified definition makes the case that "greed, lust, jealousy, wrath, sloth, etc." are all examples of "missing the mark".
However, I would argue that these "7 deadly sins" are the EXPECTED RESULT of first "missing the mark".
So then what is "the mark"?
All the time-tested spiritual traditions speak of this "mark", but metaphorically so. In the bible, it is stated as "witnessing for God". But what does this mean exactly?
If one can imagine what it must be like to be "witnessing for God" one can imagine that their own thoughts and ideas would be set aside allowing only "God" to see through them in some sense. This is a relatively accurate way to imagine this state.
Put more simply, it's the emptying out of one's thoughts, one's fears, one's judgments, one's meanderings of the past and future, etc.
Doing so wholly thrusts one into the PRESENT NOW MOMENT. Said another way, one would be now "seeing from the heart space** as opposed to seeing from the head space (aka "thinking").
And thus, with this interpretation of things, we can begin to harmonize words.
Zen - Meditation - Presence - Witnessing - Comm-Union. These words are all pointing to the same state of being. A state outside of THINKING. A state of freedom. A state of expansion. A state of heaven one could say.
For it is the monkey-mind thought-stream that drives us bonkers. A thought-stream that we willfully choose to partake in by "eating from the tree of KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL (aka "Judgment).
But the best any of these spiritual traditions can ever do is POINT TO this state. It's beyond the matrix (thoughts and words). It's purely experiential.
I have found that most people would rather argue with me over this topic rather than make a genuine effort to see this for themselves. So be it. We could have never-ending arguments over whose beliefs are right versus whose are wrong. We've been doing that for thousands of years.
The question is, what would happen if I decided to make an effort to experience this state of presence/witnessing/zen/meditation?
The results will speak for themselves when you do. But it takes some practice and dedication. It's a sort of "skill" in a way. Not really, but it will seem like it for a while. You won't master it in a few weeks, months, years or possibly decades, if ever. It all depends on your desire to find the truth and your ability to recognize how virtually all thoughts but the most simple always lead us astray, no exceptions.
Whadaya think?
This guy gets it.
I think this is heresy, the worship of the self and not God. Self emptying is kenosis, emptying the soul to filled with grace and not some Buddhist enlightenment that takes years to master.
This enlightenment is nothing more than a process in our amglydia, it can be generated electro acoustically by the Persinger "god" helmet. Its got nothing to do with any divinity at all.
As for Buddha? He said that enlightenment isn't for everyone. Source: Buddha by Karen Armstrong
That's because you're unaware of who and what "the self" is as well as who and what "God" is - both based on BELIEFS. It's not heresy. You are awash in a sea of beliefs in this reality. They're a dime a dozen and this temporary realm is built upon them exclusively.
"Enlightenment" is the reconciliation of the who and what. It isn't something you LEARN. It isn't something you FIGURE OUT. It isn't something you can pontificate about. And it certainly isn't something that you BELIEVE!!! Enlightenment, aka "AWAKENING" is purely EXPERIENTIAL in nature. It has nothing whatsoever to do with anything "physical". It's simply a spiritual "opening" back into reality if you will. A shift from "unreality" back into "reality". A shift from the temporary to the permanent.
And yes, the Buddha was correct in his time especially and still correct today only less so. But eventually "enlightenment/awakening" is indeed for "everybody".
What do you think the GREAT AWAKENING is exactly? Do you think it's merely everybody waking up to all the institutional fraud and corruption we're enmeshed in? This is just a precursor - a warm-up. Once people see how deep and far-reaching the lies are, they begin to question this "unreality" we temporarily seem to find ourselves in.
And this opens the door for the GREAT AWAKENING. Until that door is open, the sheeple remain asleep and unconscious to the fact that they're trapped in a dream of their own making. A dream (or nightmare) that's wholly built on the thoughts and beliefs of the mind.
Exit the monkey-mind and see what I mean. Or choose to remain in it and "enjoy the show. The choice is yours.
Yeah I know, the hedge at the bottom of the garden or is it a shit wiping stick?
Keep your patronising cosmic confusion, its nothing but guru gabble.
Accept Jesus Christ or not, its your choice.
Your first sentence is vile and incomprehensible. If you don't like what was said, keep it to yourself. This is the way. By your act of judgment, you demonstrate you understand very little of the scripture you read. It's a terrible look and always puts "Christians" in a bad light. I wonder why?
I "accept Jesus Christ", but you and I have different definitions of who and what "Jesus Christ" is. You can thank the cabal for your present state of misunderstanding and confusion.
What, you don't believe the cabal subverted your understanding of scripture but somehow managed to subvert everything else in this realm?
Butthurt much?
Anyone who disagrees with you is a mind slave of the cabal, no question about it. Stop telling others what to think and who they should be, it puts satan in a bad light.
You have no idea what my relationship with Jesus Christ is at all so don't pretend you do, you say I don't understand much scripture, but why do you quote a book you don't believe in at all? You do not have the authority.
And as for my first sentence, you don't know very much about buddhist teachings I see. Google these phrases.
I look forward to your next outburst of demonic terminalogical inexactitudes.
Then of course there is Judaism. Maybe I don't understand your question properly.
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You're not wrong that, "Christianity is based in lies and that it actually uses far more ancient occultic pagan symbols, names, and concepts..." This was not the original New Testament faith of Christians, it was added in by the Roman Catholic Church. They brought in idolatry and pagan practices. This was the "leaven" that the "woman," in Matt. 13:33, mixed into 3 measures of meal, which signify the teachings concerning Christ.
The word "sin" as Morpheus11 mentions means "missed the mark." What is the mark? It is God. Man was made in God's image and after His likeness. He was made with a human spirit, a vessel that could be joined to God and filled with God, who is Spirit. Had Adam eaten from the tree of life, God Himself would have filled Adam, and he would have been God's expression. But when man sinned, he fell short of God's glory (Rom. 3:23). "Glory" means expression. He "missed the mark" of expressing God. At the end of the Bible, the New Jerusalem, holy city, appears. A "city" is many people under one administration. This city appears "having the glory of God (Rev. 21:11)." And God is on the throne in the city (Rev. 22:3).
The question is, how does this happen? How can sinful man express God? That is what divides the New Testament ministry from all other religions and philosophies. Through incarnation, the Triune God came into humanity and joined Himself to humanity. The Word, who is God, became flesh (Jn. 1:1, 14). This God-man lived a human life with all the human experiences, yet without sin. The man carried God into death, and then God carried the man out of death. In resurrection, the God-man became a life-giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45). This Spirit is now able to be joined to the spirit of man to be his righteousness and life (1 Cor. 6:17). Then He is able to invade and bring life & light into the dark soul of man (Eph. 3:17). He is able to renew man's mind, regulate his feelings, and subdue his will. With a transformed soul, man is able to be built with others into a dwelling place of God in spirit (Eph. 2:22). This is the city. Eventually, this life, the uncreated life of God will transfigure his body to be eternal (Rom.8:11). "Life" in English is the translation of 3 different Greek words: 1. Bios (physical life), 2. Psuche (psychological life), and 3. Zoe (the eternal uncreated life of God). Zoe first enters man's spirit, then invades his soul, and finally transfigures his body. Man becomes the expression of God in his whole being. This all begins when a person turns his heart to the Lord and calls on Him to save him.
I give you this: without reading anyone else's comments, look to the Greeks.
your last paragraph makes sense
have a good weekend Fren.
This is along the lines of the conclusion I've reached. For twenty years, I've drifted between eastern philosophy, various forms of occultism, and nothingness. Only in the last couple of years have I felt called back to Christ, mostly as a result of the Q movement. And my conclusion is this:
Sin is just the biblical word for attachment. All sin is a form of attachment. Greed is attachment to money, lust is attachment to sex and romance, etc. Lose your attachments, stop sinning, and you are no longer a slave to this physical world. And then you know God. God has no attachments. He only is, and he is love. That's all. That's why Jesus said that when we lay down our lives for another, there is no greater love. Because that's the moment we completely lose attachment to our own selfish desires and think only of the greater good of our fellow humans. WWG1WGA.
ETA that most people are incapable of losing all attachments, which is why Jesus is the way. He's the only way we get to God without completely clearing our earthly attachments, hence why Christians have the upper hand over followers of eastern philosophy. My humble opinion.
I don't believe in any religion but in answer to your question: Islam for one.
Zoroastrianism, for two.
I think you're looking for a discussion more than a direct answer to the question terminating your post, so I'll babble now.
Myopic is a good descriptor. The fact that so many religions touch upon the same concepts and symbols does not suggest that Christianity is untrue, it suggests the opposite. What makes something true? Universality makes a strong case for Truth. Religions reference similar concepts not because they are fictional works that build upon one another, but because because the initiates of the various paths successfully reached higher levels of consciousness and thus encountered similar realities.
Humanity is a work in progress. Different periods of our development called for different methods of enlightenment. Obviously, ancient Hindus are not in hell now because they didn't follow Christ. Christ existed, but wasn't known to us yet. At one point Hinduism was the correct path. Later, Greek "mythology" (which to them was just called reality) was the way. From what humanity has taken into our souls over thousands of years, we're now ready to follow Christ.
Sin, as Morpheus11 wrote, is to miss the mark. The mark is the Truth. The farther from Truth we reside, the greater of a liability we become to the universe. Truth is our default, but biases such as pride, lust, shame, etc., cause our deviation.
The spirit of pride that acts upon me is the same pride that acts upon you. Every unique concept is a spiritual entity, just like you are, you unique snowflake, you. Concepts exist, right? Where are they? What are they? Are they dense, or light?
Once we've overcome these parasitic entities who seek to to keep us in them, who thereby secure dwellings within us through our deeds (deeds transfer real estate, after all), there is nothing left but Truth. At that point, thoughts and imaginations produce reality.
Jesus is not a religion. He is the way the truth and the LIFE Jesus name was never given to the Hebrew. Isaiah explains this. There is no Hebrew NT. Jesus name revealed in Greek language. Demons are cast out in the name. GOD says He is doing a New Thing Religion is man-made Man did not Create Jesus Christ, Our Father or the Holy Ghost. We worship ABBA FATHER in spirit and in truth rather than rituals and idols. God has made this plain.