Thanks for posting. I wasn't aware of all this. It's clear, though. Once they managed to "secularize" Christmas, they moved on to convincing Christians that they were celebrating a "pagan" holiday and that "real" Christians needed to return to celebrating all the OT festivals instead. They stole the rainbow, we need to reclaim it. And Christmas. Don't let them mutilate and then steal Christmas from us! I was almost convinced by this deception for a couple of years. Inspiring Philosophy did a video on the historical roots of our Christmas traditions and how early Church fathers calculated the date for the holiday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bWSrF7kNpM Not the best vid, but it gets the message across. I also enjoyed Kirk Cameron's video on the meaning behind Christmas traditions. We need to reclaim our culture and our faith!
I will keep that in mind - hadn't really noticed it but fits the pattern they usually do, which is to take something great/beautiful/sacred and completely invert it. Sick stuff.
Thanks glad you found it informative. Interesting how Christmas has been subverted using pop-culture songs to undermine and dillute the message, and to confuse people about the true meanings.
I've rejected most of this 'consumer christmas' stuff but still participate because I don't want to be some kind recluse with the family, but am really interested in finding out more about the true christmas traditions. Obviously going to mass, going to confession, trying to get myself right with the world... lots of things to do while remembering the birth of Christ in this world. I will check out the Kirk Cameron video too, thanks for recommending!
Yes. You should watch the IP video in the link also. It sets the record straight after the onslaught of videos in recent years and twisting of history that has been done to convince us that Christmas is too "pagan" for us to celebrate and that we need to return to Jewish feasts. Between that video and the one you posted, I feel deceived and am angry. Of course, it seems we can never know the truth these days. So we may as well cherish our traditions - even IF they include some pagan traditions from our forefathers - instead of letting them be stolen from us.
Thank you for this. The home movies felt familiar. Your calm, thoughtful voice helped me take a deep breath and resolve to go trash CDs of “holiday” music downstairs. Beautiful religious CDs are soothing and will help one prepare for Christmas. We light our Advent Candles each morning, sing “O Come, O Come Emmanuel” and read a short meditative message, with our morning coffee.
guys... the gift-giving aspect of this holiday traces far back in history to the European, Celtic and Scandinavian tribes living in cold regions.
It became the custom at Midwinter (the Winter Solstice, Dec. 21) to go and check on family members and anyone living in isolated areas taking care of the herds.
The chief of the tribe would organize the others to gather up food, warm clothes, furs, etc. for anyone in need to make sure they could get through the rest of the winter. There might even be a few toys included to keep the children amused during the long dark days.
The king/chief was often an older man with grey/white hair and a beard, and as king would wear the finest furs. In some places he might use a reindeer to pull a sledge to get everything through the forest.
If you've ever heard the Christmas carol Good King Wenceslas - that's exactly what it's about. (He spotted a farmer who was in need, so he got a page - a young helper - and they took supplies to the farmer.)
This is where the Santa Claus legends come from. It's a very, very old tradition and explains why we give gifts at Christmas time and why we have such a strong custom of going home for Christmas.
There is certainly nothing sinister about this. These people were your ancestors and were taking care of everyone in need 3,000 years ago or more. They sound kind of ok to me.
I do like our blend of ancient Christian and European traditions. I vote to keep Christmas. Santa Claus also seems to be a blend of the real-life 4th century Saint Nicholas, bishop of Myra in Anatolia, who according to legend secretly put dowries for poor young women in their shoes, and the King Wenceslas traditions you mention.
Thank you. For anyone whose ancestry traces back to what is now the British Isles, Europe, Scandinavia, and Russia: People lived in those regions long before Christianity came to them. They had a remarkably well-organized civilization (see Brehon Law in Ireland, for one) and were not ignorant savages living in degeneracy. They would not have survived those climates for long if they were. They had to work together, look out for their own, and understand the world around them (natural science) if they were going to make it through, and they did.
The beautiful objects they made survive today in museums. Their customs and traditions became a part of Western civilization, and one of those customs was taking care of everyone at the middle of winter - the Winter Solstice.
That is where our customs of gift-giving and going home at Christmas come from. Be proud of your brave and generous long-ago ancestors who created such ways of living.
This probably explains why, for the most part, Christianity did not have to be forced on these people. It made sense to them and it was easily combined with their other traditions, like the one about gift-giving on the Solstice. So that's what they did. As we still do today.
Thanks for posting. I wasn't aware of all this. It's clear, though. Once they managed to "secularize" Christmas, they moved on to convincing Christians that they were celebrating a "pagan" holiday and that "real" Christians needed to return to celebrating all the OT festivals instead. They stole the rainbow, we need to reclaim it. And Christmas. Don't let them mutilate and then steal Christmas from us! I was almost convinced by this deception for a couple of years. Inspiring Philosophy did a video on the historical roots of our Christmas traditions and how early Church fathers calculated the date for the holiday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bWSrF7kNpM Not the best vid, but it gets the message across. I also enjoyed Kirk Cameron's video on the meaning behind Christmas traditions. We need to reclaim our culture and our faith!
Theirs is upside down. Purple is at the bottom.
It is a parody of the rainbow.
Be sure to use the real one that depicts what is found in nature. Science, for those who prefer.
The one with purple at the top and red at the bottom is the real rainbow.
I will keep that in mind - hadn't really noticed it but fits the pattern they usually do, which is to take something great/beautiful/sacred and completely invert it. Sick stuff.
Theirs has six colors, God's rainbow has seven visible colors.
Thanks glad you found it informative. Interesting how Christmas has been subverted using pop-culture songs to undermine and dillute the message, and to confuse people about the true meanings.
I've rejected most of this 'consumer christmas' stuff but still participate because I don't want to be some kind recluse with the family, but am really interested in finding out more about the true christmas traditions. Obviously going to mass, going to confession, trying to get myself right with the world... lots of things to do while remembering the birth of Christ in this world. I will check out the Kirk Cameron video too, thanks for recommending!
Yes. You should watch the IP video in the link also. It sets the record straight after the onslaught of videos in recent years and twisting of history that has been done to convince us that Christmas is too "pagan" for us to celebrate and that we need to return to Jewish feasts. Between that video and the one you posted, I feel deceived and am angry. Of course, it seems we can never know the truth these days. So we may as well cherish our traditions - even IF they include some pagan traditions from our forefathers - instead of letting them be stolen from us.
No where in scripture does it say to celebrate the birth of christ.
The fact he died for us is worth celebrating.
Celebrate his death amd resurrection instead of worshipping a fat guy in a red suit. Satan Claws
Maybe the JWs got it right
The more you learn about our degenerate 'culture' the more you think 'hmm maybe they are right to reject it all'.
Thank you for this. The home movies felt familiar. Your calm, thoughtful voice helped me take a deep breath and resolve to go trash CDs of “holiday” music downstairs. Beautiful religious CDs are soothing and will help one prepare for Christmas. We light our Advent Candles each morning, sing “O Come, O Come Emmanuel” and read a short meditative message, with our morning coffee.
guys... the gift-giving aspect of this holiday traces far back in history to the European, Celtic and Scandinavian tribes living in cold regions.
It became the custom at Midwinter (the Winter Solstice, Dec. 21) to go and check on family members and anyone living in isolated areas taking care of the herds.
The chief of the tribe would organize the others to gather up food, warm clothes, furs, etc. for anyone in need to make sure they could get through the rest of the winter. There might even be a few toys included to keep the children amused during the long dark days.
The king/chief was often an older man with grey/white hair and a beard, and as king would wear the finest furs. In some places he might use a reindeer to pull a sledge to get everything through the forest.
If you've ever heard the Christmas carol Good King Wenceslas - that's exactly what it's about. (He spotted a farmer who was in need, so he got a page - a young helper - and they took supplies to the farmer.)
This is where the Santa Claus legends come from. It's a very, very old tradition and explains why we give gifts at Christmas time and why we have such a strong custom of going home for Christmas.
There is certainly nothing sinister about this. These people were your ancestors and were taking care of everyone in need 3,000 years ago or more. They sound kind of ok to me.
I do like our blend of ancient Christian and European traditions. I vote to keep Christmas. Santa Claus also seems to be a blend of the real-life 4th century Saint Nicholas, bishop of Myra in Anatolia, who according to legend secretly put dowries for poor young women in their shoes, and the King Wenceslas traditions you mention.
Thank you. For anyone whose ancestry traces back to what is now the British Isles, Europe, Scandinavia, and Russia: People lived in those regions long before Christianity came to them. They had a remarkably well-organized civilization (see Brehon Law in Ireland, for one) and were not ignorant savages living in degeneracy. They would not have survived those climates for long if they were. They had to work together, look out for their own, and understand the world around them (natural science) if they were going to make it through, and they did.
The beautiful objects they made survive today in museums. Their customs and traditions became a part of Western civilization, and one of those customs was taking care of everyone at the middle of winter - the Winter Solstice.
That is where our customs of gift-giving and going home at Christmas come from. Be proud of your brave and generous long-ago ancestors who created such ways of living.
This probably explains why, for the most part, Christianity did not have to be forced on these people. It made sense to them and it was easily combined with their other traditions, like the one about gift-giving on the Solstice. So that's what they did. As we still do today.
Jewdolph
Depressing
Yeah that's why he's called 'blackpilled' lol. Sorry to ruin christmas for you