First, there is no such thing as "debunked." The search for truth is an endless debate, all points made by any party necessarily directly addressed in rebuttal. This rebuttal process can go on forever, because there is always more evidence to show, always new points to be made that were not considered. We have been trained to believe that a single rebuttal is sufficient for truth. That is exactly how the world is controlled.
Second, I have addressed in rebuttal all of the statements by the "no such thing as isolation" crowd more times than I can count. Granted, it has been a very long time, but I will not do so here again. It falls on deaf ears every time. The reason it falls on deaf ears is because no one has any response to what I have to say. They simply lack the knowledge, and they don't have a canned "rebuttal" they can point to online, so instead they say something like "your education and experience is a fraud." To that I say, I pretty much agree, but it wasn't all a fraud.
You can't fake experiments. While I haven't ever worked with human viruses personally, I have done experiments with bacteriophage, which is a bacterial virus. I have done isolation of organelles, DNA, RNA, proteins, blebs, etc. on human cells through the exact same purification (isolation) techniques they use to isolate the virus. It's not the same techniques as what the "no isolation"-ist demand, but that's because their demanded technique of "isolation" is completely impractical. If those who say "there is no such thing as isolation" had ever done these experiments, had ever isolated organelles, much less viruses, they would understand why these experiments work, and why they are sufficient.
Again, I could go through all the biology explicitly (again), but it would be a complete waste of my time. You believe what you believe and that's fine, but what you haven't done is "debunk" anything. And it isn't because I haven't listened, or that I want my beliefs to be true. I don't give a fuck what I believe. My beliefs are completely mutable with new evidence, but if an argument can't be put forth that will match with all of the experiments, all of the evidence then they won't convince me, and I will think them likely to be disinformation campaigns.
These people, like Kaufman who "prove" these things show evidence, but they leave out a whole bunch of contraindicating evidence. Any theory that needs to leave out evidence to be "proven," is, I suggest, wrong. Or at the least, not proven.
The ideas that they can't be used to isolate a virus are ludicrous
This is the key remark you made in the above comment Slyver. On this, we agree completely. Your ability to isolate bacteriophages, of similar size, shape and morphology proves it's possible, just like what has been done with the nebulous "exosome". All this to say, anybody suggesting boogeyman-virus isolation is not possible is spewing nonsense - "ludicrous" as you say. We're not dealing with a technical problem here, it's something far more sinister.''
Dr. Tom Cowan was contacted by a guy whose profession was to literally "find very hard to find things". This guy stated that boogeymen-viruses would be one of the EASIEST things he could find given all the details of their alleged size/shape. He said he had been working in this unique field for over 40 years as one its well known specialists and had never once been asked to find any boogeymen-viruses, although he had a great deal of experience finding other trace substances/chemicals/elements in human tissue/fluid samples.
On the topic of bacteriophages, I understand the scientific community at large calls these a type of "virus". But this is highly misleading, quite on purpose I might add. Because before such an attribution can be made, an actual "thing" called a boogeyman-virus must be proven to exist. And electron microscope pictures or viral culturing cytopathic effects (without control experiments, independent variables or hypothesis) or correlative epidemiology studies are not even remotely close to good enough. All this to say, calling a bacteriophage a virus is like calling a donkey a unicorn that lost its horn. First you have to prove the unicorn exists, only then can we speculate as to whether the donkey is related to the mythical creature.
Here is the core problem in a nutshell. The field of virology has been called out - COMPLETELY in a BIG WAY, with very easy to understand assertions from the "no boogeyman-virus" camp. And no virologist has even ATTEMPTED to respond to their assertions. Instead, they simply repeat this same basic line when confronted; "virologists have been working with boogeyman-viruses for decades so we know they exist" type deflections. This statement, knowing full well that Dr. Stefan Lanka won the famous "no proof of measles" case in 2015 as well as his 2020 viral culturing control experiment paper demonstrating you didn't need to add the fluids of a sick person (ostensibly containing a boogeyman-virus) to cause the cytopathic effect. And let's make no mistake, it is the cytopathic effect that virologists use as their ONE AND ONLY CLAIM as proof that viruses exist.
So Dr. Lanka showed he can produce the cytopathic effect without adding any boogeyman-viruses. This is key. He DEFINITIVELY demonstrates something else is causing these chromosomally abnormal, highly sensitive and reactive green monkey kidney cells to deteriorate and decay. Is it the lowering of the nutrition (FBS), the addition of the anti-biotics which are highly poisonous to living tissue, especially kidney tissue, or something else? My money is on the anti-biotics, ostensibly used to "sterilize" the vero cells to ensure no bacteria are present. But I can't prove that at the moment, it's merely speculation.
The front-half of this viral-culturing process is also a MAJOR problem, as the bodily fluids/tissues are not proven to contain any boogeyman-viruses before adding them to the toxic culture soup. How can we be sure there are any boogeyman-viruses at all without doing this step? How can we be sure there aren't 2 or 3 or more boogeyman-viruses? We can't be sure of anything actually. Our virologists excuse? The boogeyman-viruses are "too hard to find" or "there aren't enough in the sample" or "the boogeyman-viruses are hiding within the cell membrane". These statements are what our virologists were brainwashed to believe and say. Taken as a whole, they can be seen for what they are - deflections.
Doctors Cowan and Kaufman pressed a Wuhan virologist on a call back in late 2020 and asked if they could find a boogeyman-virus if they added 10 fluid/tissue samples of people sick with the same dis-ease together. The answer was "nope", not enough to find. They then asked 100, a vat with 1000 samples and got the same answer. They then asked 10,000, looking for the point at which the virologist would finally agree he could find them, but he stopped responding to them and moved to other questioners. This was a telling exchange in my opinion. First it demonstrated that the virologist had clearly never even attempted to find a virus in a real world sample. And second, that he couldn't answer the question if someone asked him about a vat of 1 billion fluid samples. He didn't know because he had no idea. He was just repeating his brainwashing. But most importantly, this exchange demonstrated to me that such absurdity simply cannot be reconciled with the notion that a microscopic fleck of my spittle can fly out of my mouth into yours, teaming with boogeyman-viruses, that can make you sick hours or days later. Both notions can not rationally be held as true, which in my reckoning, renders them both false.
However, the debate-ending assertions that we can all agree on without any hemming and hawing are the fact that virologists do not follow the scientific method in any way, shape or form. The classic viral-culturing process is 100% PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC. In fact, it's clearly not even treated as an experiment at all as no hypothesis is even stated in their papers let alone the defining of an independent variable. But the most damning part of it is that they do not run any control experiments. This is CLEARLY deliberate and undoubtedly NECESSARY to continue upholding the boogeyman-virus lie.
The biggest irony of all is, the 1954 Ender's measles paper is the basis for all modern viral culturing procedures today and the vast majority always cite this paper in their citations. And in that paper, Enders actually DOES PERFORM a control experiment as he states directly in the paper. He also states his results which COULD NOT BE DISTINGUISHED from the main experiment allegedly proving the measles boogeyman-virus existed. It's right there in black and white. He got the same results in 1954 as Dr. Lanka got in 2020. The "cytopathic effect" is the lynchpin of the whole deception. If there are two, three or dozens of ways to cause this cytopathic effect, the burden of proof is on the virologist to scientifically demonstrate how their particular tests cytopathic effect could ONLY have been caused by the mythical boogeyman-virus.
And let's not forget virology's very deliberate, and highly deceptive use of the word "isolate/isolation". As has been clearly pointed out and demonstrated by the "no virus camp" team over and over again in referencing the "Methods" section of hundreds of these papers, the most common use of the word Isolate/Isolation refers to either: 1. "Isolating" the fluid/tissue sample from the patient. or 2. Isolating the fluids/tissue sample from the swab or bronchial lavage constituents. Only under the rarest of cases has anybody seen any virology paper that actually attempts to filter and centrifuge the fluid/tissue down to a band of particles they allege to be boogeymen-viruses ---- which is what the uninitiated 99% of the population would ASSUME the virologist means when they say they "isolated the virus".
So we have deliberate deception stacked upon deliberate deception, sprinkled with deliberate deception from beginning to end in virology. The word "isolated" doesn't mean what we think it means, nobody checks for any boogey-man viruses in tissue/fluid samples prior to throwing them in the toxic culture mix, and nobody runs any control experiments to rule out other possible causes for the cytopathic effect. The rules of the game I was taught was "3 strikes and you're out!". And this complete lack of honesty, transparency and scientific rigor is wholly and completely INDEFENSIBLE in my opinion. And that is why, not a single credentialed virologist I'm aware of will sit down at the debate table with the "no boogeyman-virus camp" nor will they address these 3 basic points. It's quite clear to me the reason this is so is because they CAN'T DEFEND IT!!!
Now, I have heard quite a few virologists quickly turn the conversation to their more modern "Sequencing" techniques for proof of the boogeyman-virus. This process too is a load of rubbish on its face. The clearest point that can be made about their "Sanger/Metagenomic Sequencing" techniques is that they can never, ever, ever find a "fully intact viral genome" in their fluid/tissue samples. But of course, they want us to believe they can find 789 KAJILLION RNA fragments of the mythical boogeyman-virus sequence. How these people cannot see through this obvious deception is beyond me. It should be quite obvious, even to a child, that all these RNA fragments are, without even a shadow of a doubt, fragments of HUMAN RNA, the host in which they were derived from. The technicians attempts to say "we remove all known human RNA from our analysis" is disingenuous at best, deliberately deceptive at worst. The problem with this argument is, or course, that they don't catalog tiny fragments of known human RNA, they catalog full strand and/or mostly complete sequences of known human RNA. And should you be bored out of your mind enough to read through their explanation of this sequencing process, you see them eliminating these long/large strands of RNA right at the start. And many times, after this process they then chop up the remaining RNA fragments into even tinier pieces --- making them easier to work with to RE-ASSEMBLE their frankenstein-viruses.
The simplest analogy to this deceptively named "sequencing" process is this; imagine taking say "Grapes of Wrath" and shredding it up. Amidst the shreds, you would find the occasional complete sentence, maybe even several or a full paragraph. Maybe if you were a bad shredder, you might even miss a full page. And amidst this you would likewise find single words as well as single letters, etc. A whole mixed bag. Now your goal is to take this now shredded book and make it conform to your model (fake boogeyman-virus genome model), like for instance "For Whom the Bell Tolls". So you tell your software program to take all the shredded paper and stitch the letters, words, sentences, etc. together to match this book which it then does -> ASSEMBLY. The beginning and middle of "For Whom the Bell Tolls" assemble together beautifully. However as we get toward the end of this assembly process, as it turns out, we've run out of say "Os" and "Ts" for example as "For Whom the Bell Tolls" used more of these letters than "The Grapes of Wrath". Now, every time we hit the word "the", the software program can only give us "he", and for "cat" we get "ca", the words "to" and "too" vanish altogether in the final assembly process etc. And voila, this is how our magical, mythical "viral variants" are born. Last I heard, there were over 500,000 "SARS-COV2" variants in the the virologist's databases. This is absolutely LUDICROUS of course. But now you know how they do it and why they get the results they get. No two "viral sequencing" are ever identical and this is the reason why.
It should be noted for all other RNA/DNA "Sequencing" research the world over, the scientists always START with the complete, fully intact genome of the test subject, be it a carrot, mouse or human. They then go about snipping up the full genome to perform their experiments. This is what "sequencing" is for "everything else". But of course, not for our mythical boogeymen-viruses, they're the special exception to the rule.
Sorry, thought I could squeeze all this into one comment.
So finally, we get to the virologists dreaded "Koch's Postulates" problem. They have all been programmed to DISMISS this question by saying "They are archaic and outdated" - smh! Oh how I wish I could respond to these guys who say this and grill them on the absolute absurdity of this stance. The virologists are counting on the fact that the person questioning them doesn't understand the simplicity of Koch's Postulates and the absurdity of their deflection.
Koch's Postulates are grade-school level logic and they make perfect sense. My 11-year old niece understood them in 5 minutes. Take the thing you say is causing the dis-ease in the sick person, ISOLATE it (by our normal definition, not the virologists deceptive definition), and then introduce this "Isolated thing", and only this isolated thing, via normal alleged "infection vectors" (no jabs!!!!) and then demonstrate the healthy person comes down with the symptoms and dis-ease of the original sick person. Rinse and repeat for certainty.
This has been tried, no doubt, thousands of times in the first half of the 20th century. But good luck finding much information as most of it was never published, and/or those papers that were published have been removed, suppressed or white-washed from the records. A large group of us were only able to find 11 examples of these failures. But the simple fact remains, there are no examples of "successes" to be found. And this is why the scientific community stopped even trying around 1950. Instead, they had to come up with their dismissive arguments and even invent "newer, more updated" things like "River's Postulates" which also can't be satisfied for boogeymen-virus.
Thus, as we can see, there is nothing but a trail of deliberate deceptions, sleight-of-hands and deflections everywhere we look that are used in this pseudoscientific field. Not one aspect of virology holds up to even a modicum of scrutiny. It's as simple as this.
Now, the hardest part of all of this isn't the science, or lack thereof. The problem with people accepting all these facts is this; they can't imagine another possible way that they either caught or passed a dis-ease from or too another person. This seems to be the obstacle most people aren't willing to contemplate. And I understand, because the answer to the question of "what else could it have been" shatters our deeply ingrained "victim consciousness" and is the cause for tremendously unsettling cognitive dissonance when first encountered.
Anyway, I've explained the cause of I think 10 or so common "viral dis-eases" several months back here on GA and can link to those threads if anybody is interested. Unfortunately, doctors Cowan, Kaufman, Mark & Sam Bailey have rejected what Dr. Lanka showed us all in favor of their "terrain theory" which, like germ theory lacks even a shred of scientific proof. Their credibility took a severe hit because they can't readily explain any alternatives other than the blanket "diet/toxins/water/food/5G hypothesis. Only. Dr. Lanka understands the full picture. And he's clearly divorced himself from the others over the past year or so.
So if it ain't toxins and it ain't germs, then what is it? Matter follows mind is my very short answer.
I welcome any feedback or pushback from my two-comment missive. I tried to be as comprehensive as possible without belaboring any single point too deeply. I think I got my point across though -> Virology is CLEARLY a pseudoscience no matter what angle you approach it from. And that's because, boogeyman-viruses don't exist. Thus, it has to be!
Great piece here...... I knew by cc'-ing you, I'd release the Kraken here. This is very well stated. And I'm pretty sure I identify with at least some of the videos and writings you might have watched and read for the backdrop of your thesis.
Yeah, thanks for dragging me in. I tangled with Slyver a few years back. He's clearly educated in the scientific method and these processes so I look forward to his feedback on my missive. I've tried to poke holes in this for years now, and looked for anybody that could, but can't find either - it's air tight. All I've ever see from our "experts" (Malone, Mikovits, McCullough, etc.) are dismissals, denials and inane defenses of an indefensible subject. The jig is up. They had their chance. Their silence is deafening. They can't address any of these points head-on, so they don't even try.
And yeah, I've shared a few videos over the years for those wanting to dig deeper, but this first part of "The Viral Delusion" pretty well sums up what I had to say as a good primer -> https://www.bitchute.com/video/jajyAdPMdzfJ/
If somebody can watch this and not come away, at a minimum, having some serious questions and concerns about boogey-men viruses, then I just don't know what to say.
First, I want you to know I very much appreciate you taking the time and effort to state your case clearly. Also, I want you to know you have given me things to consider, but it will take time. I may respond directly later, but for now let me address one thing that stood out.
an actual "thing" called a boogeyman-virus must be proven to exist.
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calling a bacteriophage a virus is like calling a donkey a unicorn that lost its horn
If you have two batches of the same bacteria in a medium, identical in every way, but you add isolations of a bacteriophage to one and not to the other, and one dies in the same way, every time, is that not evidence of the existence of something in that isolate? I guess you are stating the isolate is not actually an "isolate" and there are other things added in, but I have personally done chain transfections, taking the supernatent from one infected set of cells and infected another set of cells producing the same results, on and on, ad infinitum.
In other words, I have made my own isolations from these infected cells. You don't need to add anything (except water), you just isolate through standard techniques (in this case centrifugation). So unless they added something from the very first isolate, and somehow that "something" continues through dilution after dilution from each subsequent isolate, your idea of "something else" doesn't add up.
Only biological material, or chemicals made by biological processes can persist through continued dilutions (because somehow it keeps getting made). Whatever that biological material is, it acts identical to virologists ideas of a virus. In addition, the function of bacteriophage proteins and the DNA that encodes those proteins contained within them has been studied in extreme detail. These studies were done with controls.
The idea that no one ever noticed bad science being done on something like a bacteriophage, which has literally millions of experiments having been done on them is ludicrous. I myself have done hundreds of such experiments. I mean, there's an entire field of bacteriology called phage typing, whereby specific phage isolates are added to bacteria samples to determine the type of bacteria present. Each time this is done there is a control.
I swear, some people seem to believe that just because biologists have been brainwashed (which I agree with, and not just biologists), that that makes them stupid. They aren't stupid. Biologists understand full well the scientific process. Some papers have problems, and not all scientists follow the scientific process as well as they should, but that is more a function of the publishing process than the scientific process. Scientists, in general, understand the process very well. They understand the importance of hypothesis and controls. They understand that their results, and more importantly, their conclusions aren't "truth." There are some that aren't as bright as they think they are, but they aren't all idiots. In fact, in my experience, the vast majority are pretty damn smart. They aren't being fooled in the way you suggest. They are being fooled in other ways (through dogma). In other words, they aren't "missing something" in their experiments (controls, stuff being added into their mediums, hypotheses, etc.), they are being restricted from looking in certain directions (dogma). THAT is how science is controlled. (That and the publication process, which is where most of the fuckery happens.)
I can't really speak to mammalian viruses because I have personally never worked on them. I have read many experimental reports however, and have not previously noticed red flags. You have given me some specific things to look for however, and I will do so.
I guess you are stating the isolate is not actually an "isolate" and there are other things added in
Correct, that's what we're saying. If you have a pocket full of change and I say "isolate" the pennies from the nickels, dimes and quarters, regardless of whether you can visually identify the pennies or not, until you "isolate" the pennies from the mix, you don't have an "Isolated pennies" yet.
your idea of "something else" doesn't add up.
Your reasoning is rightfully starting with the fact that you have a known "thing", the bacteriophage, that you're looking for, that you've seen, that others have found, seen and "isolated" in the past. Our argument is, nobody has yet been able to START WITH this "known thing" called a boogeyman-virus. Because of this, they can now claim any particle they find at the bottom of the viral culturing petri dish, that wasn't put into the toxic soup in the beginning, is a boogey-man virus as that "thing" wasn't there in the beginning.
I didn't include this in my original missive but you may be familiar with this idea of an "exosome" (outside the body (cell)). It's just a catch-all word they use to describe little particles they can't identify as some "known thing". But the great irony of these exosomes is that virologists are forced to reluctantly admit that they can't tell the difference between exosomes and boogeymen-viruses. The virologists say they look identical to one another - same size, shapes, morphology, etc. This is a damning admission. But then, they want us to turn around and agree that their electron microscope pictures they point their little red arrows at are really boogeymen-viruses and not exosomes. We assert that all these "things" are just "exosomes", or as they sometimes also call them "extracellular vesicles" - which is the same thing. All of it is just particles of the decayed, disintegrated vero cells...and possibly just particles that were in the FBS serum for all we know. But at the end of the day, just particles.
No virologist or scientist has ever taken these particles they point to in the electron microscope pictures following the cytopathic effect in the cultures, isolated them from the toxic brew (using the real definition of course) and then taken these fully isolated particles they claim are boogeymen-viruses and not exosomes or extracellular vesicles, and gone on to infect lab animals or humans via normal so-called "infection vectors" that ultimately causes the symptoms and dis-ease said to be caused by the boogeyman-virus in the bottom of their petri dish.
And furthermore, no scientific paper exists where they can demonstrate that these newly isolated particles can be introduced to a healthy cell line and shown to enter the cellular membrane via any alleged "receptor" (e.g. "ACE receptor) and then go on to use the cellular machinery to "replicate" themselves. They can't "see" this of course, because you have to kill everything to see at this magnification level with electron microscopes. The fact that Royal Rife and Gaston Naessens "somatoscope" dark-field microscopy does exist today, although not used in mainstream establishment labs is lost on them. If dark-field microscopy was used, they COULD see this alleged boogeyman-virus receptor breach and replication process happening....if it were true. But we assert it isn't true, and therefore, nobody in the field of virology would attempt such a feat.
So it's not just a matter of taking pictures of particles with an electron microscope that proves the existence of the boogeyman-virus. That's only a third of the equation. The burden of proof is on the virologist to demonstrate this receptor breach, intra-cellular machinery takeover event and replication process to demonstrate the second third of the equation. And should they succeed at this, then the final third of the equation is to take these newly replicated boogeymen-viruses, isolate them and introduce them to human subjects or lab animals via normal "infection vectors", not with injections into the sterile body cavity and bloodstream, which then exhibit the symptoms and alleged dis-ease the boogeyman-virus is said to cause. Really it's the second and third part of the equation that are essential. The electron microscope pictures are entirely unnecessary in the proof.
All this to say, the problem we have with both the viral culturing and sequencing techniques is there is no scientific proof that the starting "material" is anything other than RNA/DNA derived from the human bodily fluids/tissues or the vero cells. Without definitively demonstrating the provenance of the RNA/DNA, nothing can be proven. And Occam's razor suggests that's all these virologists are doing with their sequencing (assembling) process - they're working with human RNA/DNA fragments due to the natural bodily process of apoptosis, which is always heightened when a person is sick to make it all the more obvious what's going on.
The idea that no one ever noticed bad science being done on something like a bacteriophage, which has literally millions of experiments having been done on them is ludicrous.
I fully agree. You're working with a REAL "thing" that exists in nature. Virologists are not. It's this simple.
I swear, some people seem to believe that just because biologists have been brainwashed (which I agree with, and not just biologists), that that makes them stupid.
I never said such a thing and I hope you don't think I implied it. We all believe what we've been taught. This is at the crux of the issue - not intelligence levels or IQ or whatever. It's a situation of "blind belief in authority" where today's working virologists had to have blindly believed their professors and teachers in medical school in order to get their degree and license. And assuming you don't suspect you're being deceived in any way, this is perfectly understandable. It's happened in all walks of life, professions, disciplines, etc. I've pierced but a handful - but virology and health are my specialties - thanks to Cooties-1984 I might add.
Scientists, in general, understand the process [scientific method] very well.
I totally agree. I'm not suggesting they don't. I'm simply saying all their papers do NOT follow the fundamental tenants of the scientific method. It's not a problem with "understanding". This is simply a case of "this is how you do it...follow the rules...do what others that came before you did...and above all else....don't ask too many questions". I can't think of any better explanation then this -> if you want to keep your paycheck, pay off your loans and live the lifestyle you've become accustomed to, maintain your reputation, etc., your best bet is to "go along to get along" on the off chance you start getting cold feet...
They aren't being fooled in the way you suggest. They are being fooled in other ways (through dogma).
I agree again. They've been deceived within the dogma of their discipline. Furthermore, many assume that if you didn't receive the same education that they had, then you can't possibly be qualified to question their methods and techniques. This is why it took somebody like Dr. Lanka, one of their own, to blow the lid off of things and add credibility to the "no virus camp" claims.
THAT is how science is controlled. (That and the publication process, which is where most of the fuckery happens.)
Agreed again, 100%!
I can't really speak to mammalian viruses because I have personally never worked on them. I have read many experimental reports however, and have not previously noticed red flags. You have given me some specific things to look for however, and I will do so.
Great! That's all I can hope for. I don't expect anybody to believe me straight-away. It took me a good 6-months to come around to all this. I was a heavy skeptic from the start. It was the lack of credentialed virologists countering the assertions and arguments of the "no virus camp" that finally swayed me. It was clear they had nothing to offer but dismissal/denial. And as I mentioned, I honestly believe Judy Mikovits does fully BELIEVE she has worked with viruses all her life. I don't think she's trying to deceive us by defending her work. She literally doesn't understand how she was fooled. That's my take on it anyway. And the same may hold true for Dr. Malone as well. It's hard to say. All I know for sure is that neither these two, nor anybody else has even attempted to respond to the "no-virus-camp" assertions in any meaningful way. And they've all been invited to discuss at open round tables thousands of times now over the past 3 years. No takers, no talkers and none are willing to go on record.
I wish you luck in poking around with the material and look forward to your professional assessment in the future. Now that you know the trick word "isolation" and the lack of control experiments in play, you'll be well armed to see through some of these not-so-obvious discrepancies.
The clearest point that can be made about their "Sanger/Metagenomic Sequencing" techniques is that they can never, ever, ever find a "fully intact viral genome" in their fluid/tissue samples.
That's not what's going on. It isn't that they can't find intact viral genomes, it's that they don't select for it. Shotgun sequencing (more specifically Illumina or PacBio) requires smaller pieces of DNA/RNA to function. There are numerous techniques for mapping a genome. These techniques mentioned are the cheapest and fastest, so it is the most often used, but all of the techniques corroborate each other. It works by getting multiple copies and overlapping them. The odds of a mismatch on an overlap, given a large enough sample size, are miniscule. The odds of the same mismatch on two subsequent tests are so small as to be ludicrous. The odds of the same mismatch on a thousand subsequent tests isn't even worth talking about. This is how it is done. When the same experiments get the same (or close enough to the same) results every time, it is safe to assume there is something to the experiment. At the least it is ridiculous to assume there isn't.
Basically, if you want to challenge these WGS techniques, you are basically stating that the entirety of genomics (not just virology) is not just "wrong," but completely fabricated, despite getting the same results each time on the same sample types (same organism). These, according to the "fabricated" idea, just so happen to be different results on different sample types, which are then also the same for each of those same sample types.
SOMETHING is making the expected sameness and differences in output from these experiments. You assume it's ridiculous and there is nothing there, but this is an assertion made, I suggest, in not understanding what is done in these experiments. Please look up these sequencing techniques to understand them. Look specifically at the math involved. Look also for examples of corroboration with different sequencing techniques. Perhaps that will reduce your incredulity.
I'm in full agreement with you Slyver, for everything BUT boogeymen-viruses. They are not doing "sequencing", they are ASSEMBLING fragments together. Herein lies the rub.
This film provides a good explanation of the trickery involved when it comes to - EXCLUSIVELY - what the virologists are purporting to do. I am not questioning those studying bacteria, or carrots, or mice or whatever else - just boogeymen-viruses. For the record. Here's the film. You can FF to about the 40minute mark for the discussion on sequencing: https://www.bitchute.com/video/jajyAdPMdzfJ/
First, there is no such thing as "debunked." The search for truth is an endless debate, all points made by any party necessarily directly addressed in rebuttal. This rebuttal process can go on forever, because there is always more evidence to show, always new points to be made that were not considered. We have been trained to believe that a single rebuttal is sufficient for truth. That is exactly how the world is controlled.
Second, I have addressed in rebuttal all of the statements by the "no such thing as isolation" crowd more times than I can count. Granted, it has been a very long time, but I will not do so here again. It falls on deaf ears every time. The reason it falls on deaf ears is because no one has any response to what I have to say. They simply lack the knowledge, and they don't have a canned "rebuttal" they can point to online, so instead they say something like "your education and experience is a fraud." To that I say, I pretty much agree, but it wasn't all a fraud.
You can't fake experiments. While I haven't ever worked with human viruses personally, I have done experiments with bacteriophage, which is a bacterial virus. I have done isolation of organelles, DNA, RNA, proteins, blebs, etc. on human cells through the exact same purification (isolation) techniques they use to isolate the virus. It's not the same techniques as what the "no isolation"-ist demand, but that's because their demanded technique of "isolation" is completely impractical. If those who say "there is no such thing as isolation" had ever done these experiments, had ever isolated organelles, much less viruses, they would understand why these experiments work, and why they are sufficient.
Again, I could go through all the biology explicitly (again), but it would be a complete waste of my time. You believe what you believe and that's fine, but what you haven't done is "debunk" anything. And it isn't because I haven't listened, or that I want my beliefs to be true. I don't give a fuck what I believe. My beliefs are completely mutable with new evidence, but if an argument can't be put forth that will match with all of the experiments, all of the evidence then they won't convince me, and I will think them likely to be disinformation campaigns.
These people, like Kaufman who "prove" these things show evidence, but they leave out a whole bunch of contraindicating evidence. Any theory that needs to leave out evidence to be "proven," is, I suggest, wrong. Or at the least, not proven.
This is the key remark you made in the above comment Slyver. On this, we agree completely. Your ability to isolate bacteriophages, of similar size, shape and morphology proves it's possible, just like what has been done with the nebulous "exosome". All this to say, anybody suggesting boogeyman-virus isolation is not possible is spewing nonsense - "ludicrous" as you say. We're not dealing with a technical problem here, it's something far more sinister.''
Dr. Tom Cowan was contacted by a guy whose profession was to literally "find very hard to find things". This guy stated that boogeymen-viruses would be one of the EASIEST things he could find given all the details of their alleged size/shape. He said he had been working in this unique field for over 40 years as one its well known specialists and had never once been asked to find any boogeymen-viruses, although he had a great deal of experience finding other trace substances/chemicals/elements in human tissue/fluid samples.
On the topic of bacteriophages, I understand the scientific community at large calls these a type of "virus". But this is highly misleading, quite on purpose I might add. Because before such an attribution can be made, an actual "thing" called a boogeyman-virus must be proven to exist. And electron microscope pictures or viral culturing cytopathic effects (without control experiments, independent variables or hypothesis) or correlative epidemiology studies are not even remotely close to good enough. All this to say, calling a bacteriophage a virus is like calling a donkey a unicorn that lost its horn. First you have to prove the unicorn exists, only then can we speculate as to whether the donkey is related to the mythical creature.
Here is the core problem in a nutshell. The field of virology has been called out - COMPLETELY in a BIG WAY, with very easy to understand assertions from the "no boogeyman-virus" camp. And no virologist has even ATTEMPTED to respond to their assertions. Instead, they simply repeat this same basic line when confronted; "virologists have been working with boogeyman-viruses for decades so we know they exist" type deflections. This statement, knowing full well that Dr. Stefan Lanka won the famous "no proof of measles" case in 2015 as well as his 2020 viral culturing control experiment paper demonstrating you didn't need to add the fluids of a sick person (ostensibly containing a boogeyman-virus) to cause the cytopathic effect. And let's make no mistake, it is the cytopathic effect that virologists use as their ONE AND ONLY CLAIM as proof that viruses exist.
So Dr. Lanka showed he can produce the cytopathic effect without adding any boogeyman-viruses. This is key. He DEFINITIVELY demonstrates something else is causing these chromosomally abnormal, highly sensitive and reactive green monkey kidney cells to deteriorate and decay. Is it the lowering of the nutrition (FBS), the addition of the anti-biotics which are highly poisonous to living tissue, especially kidney tissue, or something else? My money is on the anti-biotics, ostensibly used to "sterilize" the vero cells to ensure no bacteria are present. But I can't prove that at the moment, it's merely speculation.
The front-half of this viral-culturing process is also a MAJOR problem, as the bodily fluids/tissues are not proven to contain any boogeyman-viruses before adding them to the toxic culture soup. How can we be sure there are any boogeyman-viruses at all without doing this step? How can we be sure there aren't 2 or 3 or more boogeyman-viruses? We can't be sure of anything actually. Our virologists excuse? The boogeyman-viruses are "too hard to find" or "there aren't enough in the sample" or "the boogeyman-viruses are hiding within the cell membrane". These statements are what our virologists were brainwashed to believe and say. Taken as a whole, they can be seen for what they are - deflections.
Doctors Cowan and Kaufman pressed a Wuhan virologist on a call back in late 2020 and asked if they could find a boogeyman-virus if they added 10 fluid/tissue samples of people sick with the same dis-ease together. The answer was "nope", not enough to find. They then asked 100, a vat with 1000 samples and got the same answer. They then asked 10,000, looking for the point at which the virologist would finally agree he could find them, but he stopped responding to them and moved to other questioners. This was a telling exchange in my opinion. First it demonstrated that the virologist had clearly never even attempted to find a virus in a real world sample. And second, that he couldn't answer the question if someone asked him about a vat of 1 billion fluid samples. He didn't know because he had no idea. He was just repeating his brainwashing. But most importantly, this exchange demonstrated to me that such absurdity simply cannot be reconciled with the notion that a microscopic fleck of my spittle can fly out of my mouth into yours, teaming with boogeyman-viruses, that can make you sick hours or days later. Both notions can not rationally be held as true, which in my reckoning, renders them both false.
However, the debate-ending assertions that we can all agree on without any hemming and hawing are the fact that virologists do not follow the scientific method in any way, shape or form. The classic viral-culturing process is 100% PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC. In fact, it's clearly not even treated as an experiment at all as no hypothesis is even stated in their papers let alone the defining of an independent variable. But the most damning part of it is that they do not run any control experiments. This is CLEARLY deliberate and undoubtedly NECESSARY to continue upholding the boogeyman-virus lie.
The biggest irony of all is, the 1954 Ender's measles paper is the basis for all modern viral culturing procedures today and the vast majority always cite this paper in their citations. And in that paper, Enders actually DOES PERFORM a control experiment as he states directly in the paper. He also states his results which COULD NOT BE DISTINGUISHED from the main experiment allegedly proving the measles boogeyman-virus existed. It's right there in black and white. He got the same results in 1954 as Dr. Lanka got in 2020. The "cytopathic effect" is the lynchpin of the whole deception. If there are two, three or dozens of ways to cause this cytopathic effect, the burden of proof is on the virologist to scientifically demonstrate how their particular tests cytopathic effect could ONLY have been caused by the mythical boogeyman-virus.
And let's not forget virology's very deliberate, and highly deceptive use of the word "isolate/isolation". As has been clearly pointed out and demonstrated by the "no virus camp" team over and over again in referencing the "Methods" section of hundreds of these papers, the most common use of the word Isolate/Isolation refers to either: 1. "Isolating" the fluid/tissue sample from the patient. or 2. Isolating the fluids/tissue sample from the swab or bronchial lavage constituents. Only under the rarest of cases has anybody seen any virology paper that actually attempts to filter and centrifuge the fluid/tissue down to a band of particles they allege to be boogeymen-viruses ---- which is what the uninitiated 99% of the population would ASSUME the virologist means when they say they "isolated the virus".
So we have deliberate deception stacked upon deliberate deception, sprinkled with deliberate deception from beginning to end in virology. The word "isolated" doesn't mean what we think it means, nobody checks for any boogey-man viruses in tissue/fluid samples prior to throwing them in the toxic culture mix, and nobody runs any control experiments to rule out other possible causes for the cytopathic effect. The rules of the game I was taught was "3 strikes and you're out!". And this complete lack of honesty, transparency and scientific rigor is wholly and completely INDEFENSIBLE in my opinion. And that is why, not a single credentialed virologist I'm aware of will sit down at the debate table with the "no boogeyman-virus camp" nor will they address these 3 basic points. It's quite clear to me the reason this is so is because they CAN'T DEFEND IT!!!
Now, I have heard quite a few virologists quickly turn the conversation to their more modern "Sequencing" techniques for proof of the boogeyman-virus. This process too is a load of rubbish on its face. The clearest point that can be made about their "Sanger/Metagenomic Sequencing" techniques is that they can never, ever, ever find a "fully intact viral genome" in their fluid/tissue samples. But of course, they want us to believe they can find 789 KAJILLION RNA fragments of the mythical boogeyman-virus sequence. How these people cannot see through this obvious deception is beyond me. It should be quite obvious, even to a child, that all these RNA fragments are, without even a shadow of a doubt, fragments of HUMAN RNA, the host in which they were derived from. The technicians attempts to say "we remove all known human RNA from our analysis" is disingenuous at best, deliberately deceptive at worst. The problem with this argument is, or course, that they don't catalog tiny fragments of known human RNA, they catalog full strand and/or mostly complete sequences of known human RNA. And should you be bored out of your mind enough to read through their explanation of this sequencing process, you see them eliminating these long/large strands of RNA right at the start. And many times, after this process they then chop up the remaining RNA fragments into even tinier pieces --- making them easier to work with to RE-ASSEMBLE their frankenstein-viruses.
The simplest analogy to this deceptively named "sequencing" process is this; imagine taking say "Grapes of Wrath" and shredding it up. Amidst the shreds, you would find the occasional complete sentence, maybe even several or a full paragraph. Maybe if you were a bad shredder, you might even miss a full page. And amidst this you would likewise find single words as well as single letters, etc. A whole mixed bag. Now your goal is to take this now shredded book and make it conform to your model (fake boogeyman-virus genome model), like for instance "For Whom the Bell Tolls". So you tell your software program to take all the shredded paper and stitch the letters, words, sentences, etc. together to match this book which it then does -> ASSEMBLY. The beginning and middle of "For Whom the Bell Tolls" assemble together beautifully. However as we get toward the end of this assembly process, as it turns out, we've run out of say "Os" and "Ts" for example as "For Whom the Bell Tolls" used more of these letters than "The Grapes of Wrath". Now, every time we hit the word "the", the software program can only give us "he", and for "cat" we get "ca", the words "to" and "too" vanish altogether in the final assembly process etc. And voila, this is how our magical, mythical "viral variants" are born. Last I heard, there were over 500,000 "SARS-COV2" variants in the the virologist's databases. This is absolutely LUDICROUS of course. But now you know how they do it and why they get the results they get. No two "viral sequencing" are ever identical and this is the reason why.
It should be noted for all other RNA/DNA "Sequencing" research the world over, the scientists always START with the complete, fully intact genome of the test subject, be it a carrot, mouse or human. They then go about snipping up the full genome to perform their experiments. This is what "sequencing" is for "everything else". But of course, not for our mythical boogeymen-viruses, they're the special exception to the rule.
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Sorry, thought I could squeeze all this into one comment.
So finally, we get to the virologists dreaded "Koch's Postulates" problem. They have all been programmed to DISMISS this question by saying "They are archaic and outdated" - smh! Oh how I wish I could respond to these guys who say this and grill them on the absolute absurdity of this stance. The virologists are counting on the fact that the person questioning them doesn't understand the simplicity of Koch's Postulates and the absurdity of their deflection.
Koch's Postulates are grade-school level logic and they make perfect sense. My 11-year old niece understood them in 5 minutes. Take the thing you say is causing the dis-ease in the sick person, ISOLATE it (by our normal definition, not the virologists deceptive definition), and then introduce this "Isolated thing", and only this isolated thing, via normal alleged "infection vectors" (no jabs!!!!) and then demonstrate the healthy person comes down with the symptoms and dis-ease of the original sick person. Rinse and repeat for certainty.
This has been tried, no doubt, thousands of times in the first half of the 20th century. But good luck finding much information as most of it was never published, and/or those papers that were published have been removed, suppressed or white-washed from the records. A large group of us were only able to find 11 examples of these failures. But the simple fact remains, there are no examples of "successes" to be found. And this is why the scientific community stopped even trying around 1950. Instead, they had to come up with their dismissive arguments and even invent "newer, more updated" things like "River's Postulates" which also can't be satisfied for boogeymen-virus.
Thus, as we can see, there is nothing but a trail of deliberate deceptions, sleight-of-hands and deflections everywhere we look that are used in this pseudoscientific field. Not one aspect of virology holds up to even a modicum of scrutiny. It's as simple as this.
Now, the hardest part of all of this isn't the science, or lack thereof. The problem with people accepting all these facts is this; they can't imagine another possible way that they either caught or passed a dis-ease from or too another person. This seems to be the obstacle most people aren't willing to contemplate. And I understand, because the answer to the question of "what else could it have been" shatters our deeply ingrained "victim consciousness" and is the cause for tremendously unsettling cognitive dissonance when first encountered.
Anyway, I've explained the cause of I think 10 or so common "viral dis-eases" several months back here on GA and can link to those threads if anybody is interested. Unfortunately, doctors Cowan, Kaufman, Mark & Sam Bailey have rejected what Dr. Lanka showed us all in favor of their "terrain theory" which, like germ theory lacks even a shred of scientific proof. Their credibility took a severe hit because they can't readily explain any alternatives other than the blanket "diet/toxins/water/food/5G hypothesis. Only. Dr. Lanka understands the full picture. And he's clearly divorced himself from the others over the past year or so.
So if it ain't toxins and it ain't germs, then what is it? Matter follows mind is my very short answer.
I welcome any feedback or pushback from my two-comment missive. I tried to be as comprehensive as possible without belaboring any single point too deeply. I think I got my point across though -> Virology is CLEARLY a pseudoscience no matter what angle you approach it from. And that's because, boogeyman-viruses don't exist. Thus, it has to be!
Great piece here...... I knew by cc'-ing you, I'd release the Kraken here. This is very well stated. And I'm pretty sure I identify with at least some of the videos and writings you might have watched and read for the backdrop of your thesis.
Yeah, thanks for dragging me in. I tangled with Slyver a few years back. He's clearly educated in the scientific method and these processes so I look forward to his feedback on my missive. I've tried to poke holes in this for years now, and looked for anybody that could, but can't find either - it's air tight. All I've ever see from our "experts" (Malone, Mikovits, McCullough, etc.) are dismissals, denials and inane defenses of an indefensible subject. The jig is up. They had their chance. Their silence is deafening. They can't address any of these points head-on, so they don't even try.
And yeah, I've shared a few videos over the years for those wanting to dig deeper, but this first part of "The Viral Delusion" pretty well sums up what I had to say as a good primer -> https://www.bitchute.com/video/jajyAdPMdzfJ/
If somebody can watch this and not come away, at a minimum, having some serious questions and concerns about boogey-men viruses, then I just don't know what to say.
First, I want you to know I very much appreciate you taking the time and effort to state your case clearly. Also, I want you to know you have given me things to consider, but it will take time. I may respond directly later, but for now let me address one thing that stood out.
If you have two batches of the same bacteria in a medium, identical in every way, but you add isolations of a bacteriophage to one and not to the other, and one dies in the same way, every time, is that not evidence of the existence of something in that isolate? I guess you are stating the isolate is not actually an "isolate" and there are other things added in, but I have personally done chain transfections, taking the supernatent from one infected set of cells and infected another set of cells producing the same results, on and on, ad infinitum.
In other words, I have made my own isolations from these infected cells. You don't need to add anything (except water), you just isolate through standard techniques (in this case centrifugation). So unless they added something from the very first isolate, and somehow that "something" continues through dilution after dilution from each subsequent isolate, your idea of "something else" doesn't add up.
Only biological material, or chemicals made by biological processes can persist through continued dilutions (because somehow it keeps getting made). Whatever that biological material is, it acts identical to virologists ideas of a virus. In addition, the function of bacteriophage proteins and the DNA that encodes those proteins contained within them has been studied in extreme detail. These studies were done with controls.
The idea that no one ever noticed bad science being done on something like a bacteriophage, which has literally millions of experiments having been done on them is ludicrous. I myself have done hundreds of such experiments. I mean, there's an entire field of bacteriology called phage typing, whereby specific phage isolates are added to bacteria samples to determine the type of bacteria present. Each time this is done there is a control.
I swear, some people seem to believe that just because biologists have been brainwashed (which I agree with, and not just biologists), that that makes them stupid. They aren't stupid. Biologists understand full well the scientific process. Some papers have problems, and not all scientists follow the scientific process as well as they should, but that is more a function of the publishing process than the scientific process. Scientists, in general, understand the process very well. They understand the importance of hypothesis and controls. They understand that their results, and more importantly, their conclusions aren't "truth." There are some that aren't as bright as they think they are, but they aren't all idiots. In fact, in my experience, the vast majority are pretty damn smart. They aren't being fooled in the way you suggest. They are being fooled in other ways (through dogma). In other words, they aren't "missing something" in their experiments (controls, stuff being added into their mediums, hypotheses, etc.), they are being restricted from looking in certain directions (dogma). THAT is how science is controlled. (That and the publication process, which is where most of the fuckery happens.)
I can't really speak to mammalian viruses because I have personally never worked on them. I have read many experimental reports however, and have not previously noticed red flags. You have given me some specific things to look for however, and I will do so.
Correct, that's what we're saying. If you have a pocket full of change and I say "isolate" the pennies from the nickels, dimes and quarters, regardless of whether you can visually identify the pennies or not, until you "isolate" the pennies from the mix, you don't have an "Isolated pennies" yet.
Your reasoning is rightfully starting with the fact that you have a known "thing", the bacteriophage, that you're looking for, that you've seen, that others have found, seen and "isolated" in the past. Our argument is, nobody has yet been able to START WITH this "known thing" called a boogeyman-virus. Because of this, they can now claim any particle they find at the bottom of the viral culturing petri dish, that wasn't put into the toxic soup in the beginning, is a boogey-man virus as that "thing" wasn't there in the beginning.
I didn't include this in my original missive but you may be familiar with this idea of an "exosome" (outside the body (cell)). It's just a catch-all word they use to describe little particles they can't identify as some "known thing". But the great irony of these exosomes is that virologists are forced to reluctantly admit that they can't tell the difference between exosomes and boogeymen-viruses. The virologists say they look identical to one another - same size, shapes, morphology, etc. This is a damning admission. But then, they want us to turn around and agree that their electron microscope pictures they point their little red arrows at are really boogeymen-viruses and not exosomes. We assert that all these "things" are just "exosomes", or as they sometimes also call them "extracellular vesicles" - which is the same thing. All of it is just particles of the decayed, disintegrated vero cells...and possibly just particles that were in the FBS serum for all we know. But at the end of the day, just particles.
No virologist or scientist has ever taken these particles they point to in the electron microscope pictures following the cytopathic effect in the cultures, isolated them from the toxic brew (using the real definition of course) and then taken these fully isolated particles they claim are boogeymen-viruses and not exosomes or extracellular vesicles, and gone on to infect lab animals or humans via normal so-called "infection vectors" that ultimately causes the symptoms and dis-ease said to be caused by the boogeyman-virus in the bottom of their petri dish.
And furthermore, no scientific paper exists where they can demonstrate that these newly isolated particles can be introduced to a healthy cell line and shown to enter the cellular membrane via any alleged "receptor" (e.g. "ACE receptor) and then go on to use the cellular machinery to "replicate" themselves. They can't "see" this of course, because you have to kill everything to see at this magnification level with electron microscopes. The fact that Royal Rife and Gaston Naessens "somatoscope" dark-field microscopy does exist today, although not used in mainstream establishment labs is lost on them. If dark-field microscopy was used, they COULD see this alleged boogeyman-virus receptor breach and replication process happening....if it were true. But we assert it isn't true, and therefore, nobody in the field of virology would attempt such a feat.
So it's not just a matter of taking pictures of particles with an electron microscope that proves the existence of the boogeyman-virus. That's only a third of the equation. The burden of proof is on the virologist to demonstrate this receptor breach, intra-cellular machinery takeover event and replication process to demonstrate the second third of the equation. And should they succeed at this, then the final third of the equation is to take these newly replicated boogeymen-viruses, isolate them and introduce them to human subjects or lab animals via normal "infection vectors", not with injections into the sterile body cavity and bloodstream, which then exhibit the symptoms and alleged dis-ease the boogeyman-virus is said to cause. Really it's the second and third part of the equation that are essential. The electron microscope pictures are entirely unnecessary in the proof.
All this to say, the problem we have with both the viral culturing and sequencing techniques is there is no scientific proof that the starting "material" is anything other than RNA/DNA derived from the human bodily fluids/tissues or the vero cells. Without definitively demonstrating the provenance of the RNA/DNA, nothing can be proven. And Occam's razor suggests that's all these virologists are doing with their sequencing (assembling) process - they're working with human RNA/DNA fragments due to the natural bodily process of apoptosis, which is always heightened when a person is sick to make it all the more obvious what's going on.
I fully agree. You're working with a REAL "thing" that exists in nature. Virologists are not. It's this simple.
I never said such a thing and I hope you don't think I implied it. We all believe what we've been taught. This is at the crux of the issue - not intelligence levels or IQ or whatever. It's a situation of "blind belief in authority" where today's working virologists had to have blindly believed their professors and teachers in medical school in order to get their degree and license. And assuming you don't suspect you're being deceived in any way, this is perfectly understandable. It's happened in all walks of life, professions, disciplines, etc. I've pierced but a handful - but virology and health are my specialties - thanks to Cooties-1984 I might add.
I totally agree. I'm not suggesting they don't. I'm simply saying all their papers do NOT follow the fundamental tenants of the scientific method. It's not a problem with "understanding". This is simply a case of "this is how you do it...follow the rules...do what others that came before you did...and above all else....don't ask too many questions". I can't think of any better explanation then this -> if you want to keep your paycheck, pay off your loans and live the lifestyle you've become accustomed to, maintain your reputation, etc., your best bet is to "go along to get along" on the off chance you start getting cold feet...
I agree again. They've been deceived within the dogma of their discipline. Furthermore, many assume that if you didn't receive the same education that they had, then you can't possibly be qualified to question their methods and techniques. This is why it took somebody like Dr. Lanka, one of their own, to blow the lid off of things and add credibility to the "no virus camp" claims.
Agreed again, 100%!
Great! That's all I can hope for. I don't expect anybody to believe me straight-away. It took me a good 6-months to come around to all this. I was a heavy skeptic from the start. It was the lack of credentialed virologists countering the assertions and arguments of the "no virus camp" that finally swayed me. It was clear they had nothing to offer but dismissal/denial. And as I mentioned, I honestly believe Judy Mikovits does fully BELIEVE she has worked with viruses all her life. I don't think she's trying to deceive us by defending her work. She literally doesn't understand how she was fooled. That's my take on it anyway. And the same may hold true for Dr. Malone as well. It's hard to say. All I know for sure is that neither these two, nor anybody else has even attempted to respond to the "no-virus-camp" assertions in any meaningful way. And they've all been invited to discuss at open round tables thousands of times now over the past 3 years. No takers, no talkers and none are willing to go on record.
I wish you luck in poking around with the material and look forward to your professional assessment in the future. Now that you know the trick word "isolation" and the lack of control experiments in play, you'll be well armed to see through some of these not-so-obvious discrepancies.
That's not what's going on. It isn't that they can't find intact viral genomes, it's that they don't select for it. Shotgun sequencing (more specifically Illumina or PacBio) requires smaller pieces of DNA/RNA to function. There are numerous techniques for mapping a genome. These techniques mentioned are the cheapest and fastest, so it is the most often used, but all of the techniques corroborate each other. It works by getting multiple copies and overlapping them. The odds of a mismatch on an overlap, given a large enough sample size, are miniscule. The odds of the same mismatch on two subsequent tests are so small as to be ludicrous. The odds of the same mismatch on a thousand subsequent tests isn't even worth talking about. This is how it is done. When the same experiments get the same (or close enough to the same) results every time, it is safe to assume there is something to the experiment. At the least it is ridiculous to assume there isn't.
Basically, if you want to challenge these WGS techniques, you are basically stating that the entirety of genomics (not just virology) is not just "wrong," but completely fabricated, despite getting the same results each time on the same sample types (same organism). These, according to the "fabricated" idea, just so happen to be different results on different sample types, which are then also the same for each of those same sample types.
SOMETHING is making the expected sameness and differences in output from these experiments. You assume it's ridiculous and there is nothing there, but this is an assertion made, I suggest, in not understanding what is done in these experiments. Please look up these sequencing techniques to understand them. Look specifically at the math involved. Look also for examples of corroboration with different sequencing techniques. Perhaps that will reduce your incredulity.
I'm in full agreement with you Slyver, for everything BUT boogeymen-viruses. They are not doing "sequencing", they are ASSEMBLING fragments together. Herein lies the rub.
This film provides a good explanation of the trickery involved when it comes to - EXCLUSIVELY - what the virologists are purporting to do. I am not questioning those studying bacteria, or carrots, or mice or whatever else - just boogeymen-viruses. For the record. Here's the film. You can FF to about the 40minute mark for the discussion on sequencing: https://www.bitchute.com/video/jajyAdPMdzfJ/
I look forward to your comments.