New Details On Russian Hypersonic Attack On Secret Nato Base Killing 40 Officers
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The reason I haven't stickied this is that there are some things with this story that don't check out for me. NO missile has ever destroyed a buried bunker at a depth of 400ft. So far, only gravity bombs have done that. From a weapons design perspective, the design approaches of a bunker buster and a hypersonic missile couldn't be more opposed to each other.
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Guaranteed, the Khinzal would have none of this.
It is worth noting that destroying a buried bunker at a depth of 400ft would be a difficult task for any missile system that emphasizes speed and maneuverability (the Khinzal would be basically a small SRB with a 1000lb max warhead), as it would require a high level of precision and a large amount of explosive power. It is also possible that the bunker may have been designed to withstand such an attack.
There is a chance this story could be true if the Russians used one of their new glide bombs on the bunker. They are GPS guided, have warheads of 1500lbs, and can coast 65km to their targets (launched from 14km high). But those bombs are not bunker busters. So, hence, I'm having a hard time explaining this feat by Russia. I still think that "hearing buzz" about this from multiple channels means it's likely true, tho, but, I hesitate to sticky this based on these doubts.
Side question - Are you certain ChatGPT isn't going to parrot MSM talking points?
I know weapons and military very well, I used ChatGPT only to assemble the facts in a presentable manner.
The kinetic energy alone would be sufficient-Rod from God enters the chat..
Wait, no, absolutely not. Rods from God are 24-tonne tungsten rods that impact at mach 34. They are designed from the ground up to be deep ground penetrators (several KM) and deliver energy yields in the 5-15 kiloton range. These are entirely different animals. Also, and I hope I'm stating the obvious, these are American weapons, not Russian.
Which don't exist anyway.
you might be right, but one thing to think about, is that Kinetic energy goes up with the square of the velocity, ,
KE = (1/2)mv^2
if it really is going mach 10, instead of say, even mach 5 or 6, it isn't simply double the energy, it's to the square, giving it much much greater penetrating power
Wow, that's very interesting, I forgot to consider that. So it's logarithmic, like the Richter scale? OK, hmm
this might all be MOOT now, but i did this anyway
i'm going to do a quick sanity check, to see if this is even in the ballpark, so making a few assumptions, about the Kinzhal. lets just say it has the same mass as an AGM-129 3500lbs and lets take them at their word, that it's doing mach 10 (maybe it's going faster, maybe it's going slower)
and also.. just ignoring any warhead it may have on board
converting everything to metric
3500lbs = 1588 kg, lets just say 1600kg and mach 10,,. at sea level 3313 m/s, lets just call it 3300 m/s
the kinetic energy . KE = (1/2) 1600kg * 3300^2(m/s) or KE = 8,712,000,000 Joules that's 8.712 Gigajoules and that's without any warhead going off
so using another table/calculator i found here https://www.justintools.com/unit-conversion/energy.php?k1=joules&k2=atomic-bomb-[nuclear-weapon]
I can convert your glide bomb with a 1500lb warhead (680kg) to giga joules I used Kilograms of TNT to gigajoules as the conversion 680 Kilograms of TNT work out to 2.84512 Gigajoules
8.712>2.84512
so assuming.. that warhead weight is equivalent to KG of TNT, , and assuming that a 1500lb(warhead size) glide bomb could penetrate 400 feet of rock along with layers of steel, than, the Kinzhal missle has more than enough energy to penetrate (completely disregarding any warhead it would have).
that being said, i'm not fully confident of those assumptions(you would likely know better than me),., but it makes for an interesting sanity check, and the results are a definite maybe.
For reference even MOAB only goes to 200 ft. https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-04-14/ty-article/what-is-moab-mother-of-all-bombs-and-what-is-it-capable-of/0000017f-dbb8-d856-a37f-fff875cb0000
This stat only refers to the crater created, as the MOAB is an aerosolized, atmospheric-detonating weapon. Its kinetic yield literally depends on the supply of atmospheric oxygen at the target site.
I couldn't find much (on the open internet) that says there are bombs that can penetrate 400 feet. I was agreeing with your earlier point.
Cool, sorry, I hope it came across OK. The USAF has a deep penetrator called the GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), but, yeah, it's hard finding data on testing. It can supposedly penetrate 200 ft of concrete.
The other thing that sounds weird to me is how the Russians would know how many dead were found. Are they the ones digging through the rubble? If so, why did they need to bomb the bunker if they have control of the area?