I would ask: When do you arrive? We’ve waited almost 2000 years for your return. Us Anons got all the posts you sent ahead. Thank you for the Future info to save humanity…again.
On that note, my personal conviction is that if one learns to read the scripture (bible) with the same approach as one has to the Q drops, things would change significantly in how we understand the providence of God.
For example, future proves past. (IMO) some of the things in scripture cannot be understood until the time has come. Folks try to figure it all out, which is good, but humility is critical in recognizing that there is much about God's work that we don't yet understand, even though Jesus promised a future time when we would, and Paul also prophesied that such a time would come.
But there are numerous questions that the faithful have grappled with over the past 2000 years, but one's on which there is no real definitive answer. (Theology has attempted to grapple with these.)
Questions such as, what is the original purpose of creation? Does predestination exist, and if so, how does it work? God is perfect and absolute, so God's will is also perfect and absolute, but does this mean that everything is God's will?
What do all the symbols in the scripture mean? Are they literal? Symbolic? How can we decode them in a way that reconciles logical understanding, empirical knowledge, and faith?
Why did it take thousands of years (biblically) after the Fall for God to send the Messiah? If Christ had to die on the cross (if this was the only way) why did God prepare and work with the Israelites for 2000 years? Was the cross inevitable, or were there other possibilities?
Etc.
The fact that there are so many different denominations with thousands of different points of interpretation of these and other questions indicates that as a collective, we don't know the whole story. We are trying to put it all together but with a limited understanding and limited information.
The first step in moving out of ignorance is to learn that we do not know. REal ignorance is not simply "not knowing". Real ignorance is not knowing that you don't know.
If you don't know that you don't know, you can never move out of ignorance. But once you learn that you don't know something, you are then position to begin to learn it.
In order to preserve authority that they deemed so important, historically, the church in all its forms has settled on to the idea that firstly, we know and understand everything the scripture is meant to tell us, but secondly, also, there are some things that we just cannot know, and therefore should not even try to know.
In my view, both of those positions are wrong or (softly) less than productive. I think they were derived from the need to preserve 'authority', and we see the end results of that in all sorts of problems within the body of Christ, as it were.
In my view, firstly, the body of Christ clearly does NOT understand everything the scripture is mean to tell us, and secondly, we can know those things, but we have to try and we have to make the effort.
Commensurate with that view is the belief that the New Testament has one primary mission and one primary mission only: to prepare thumanity for the second coming of Christ, just as the Mosaic law had one purpose, to prepare a people for the first advent of Christ.
But look at how badly the Israelites screwed that up. They lost their way time and again, and when Christ arrived, the failed, as a whole, to recognize him. They didn't know that they didn't understand. They thought, in their arrogance, that they did know everything they were supposed to.
What are the lessons there for Christianity? Important lessons.
"Does predestination exist, and if so, how does it work?"
I would argue that predestination is at odds with free will. Also God is good. He would never create a person to do evil, then turn around and condemn them. Doing evil is a personal choice.
Each of us has Christ living within our consciousness. I believe that Christ consciousness has returned and many will (re) remember the Providence of God.
I'm not unfamiliar with that view. Personally, however, I think that view is closer to theosophical ideas than is helpful. I would put it in different terms myself.
I also hold the firm conviction that Christ is in fact a role, a position. It is a mission. Christ from Greek means Messiah in Hebrew. Aka "anointed". That mission comes in the form of the individual, who we know as Jesus. The uniqueness of Jesus is an important and critical idea, although as per my previous comment, I don't believe that generally speaking, we fully understand the mission and function of Christ. (We meaning Christians and believers in general.)
When Jesus arrived, he shared a much more profound level of the truth than was previously available. In that sense, the Gospel is an upgrade. It is an upgrade on the Mosaic law and truth God shared to the Israelites. But we are due for another upgrade, much as many believers don't want to admit or recognize, despite the fact that scripture points very clearly to this.
What if He already returned when He promised "in their lifetime" and that history has been hidden from us? What if this isn't 2023? What if we are living in Satan's season of Rev 20, and He and the saints are camped at the north pole, hence the Northern Lights? We would be waiting on the Earth to be made new. (Millenial Kingdom, Tartarian Architecture, orphan trains, insane asylums...)
Because as the Bible namely Revelations foretells, Christ’s return will be known by All across the Earth. The question is how will that be announced, because John may not have had the detailed language or modern words to describe how that event or “broadcast” would be done.
I think many people expect, are under assumption, or imagine: bright light all over and the sound of Angels singing without stereo speakers all over the Earth, and Christ swishing down out of the sky or clouds like Superman! No, it won’t happen this way. Why? Do not forget his last Triumphant return, though on a smaller scale, ended not long after in his sacrifice, death, and resurrection.
I think God, before Jesus Christ returns this 2nd time around will do a thorough “pre-prep”, because people, through technology and Hollywood (excuse the reference), could handle Christ’s 2nd return without persecuting him and executing him. Also the fact he would be well protected by folks that are just as armed and greater in defensive number than those that wished Christ harm.
So how would the “thorough pre-prep” be done? First, a specific “clearing of the way” like John the Baptist did. Do we know whom? Yes, and maybe more people, but the one I know best; Kim Clement has been more on point of Christ’s return than anyone I’ve researched. Though people condemn his timelines of his “prophecies”, Kim ALWAYS was clear things were for the future, even if the words, “right now”, or “this time or season”, came out of his mouth. Remember a mere mortal was relaying possible messages from God himself. And WE ALL SHOULD KNOW, God’s Timeline is dimensionally different than our tiny fractional concept! The Bible even says, a man’s (human’s) life (single human’s whole lifetime) is but a blink of an eye to God.
To add on this piece, this prophet, or even multiple prophets around the Earth, would be able to more evenly spread the word. How? Now that is important. The Internet. What better way to spread the future coming of Christ, pre-prep the Earth’s populous than the Internet?! No current humanly Better Way Period!
Then comes Q. Why the F would I now say this?! Because how the F can anyone explain Q having 6-7 years of PERFECT Future Intel and Info beyond Game and String Theory or known current AI technology, or even Project Looking Glass ability?! Each of this things from what ANYONE currently knows cannot pinpoint any Future event down to the month, week, day, person, and pinpoint action! Even Project Looking Glass people that reported on it stated, things were more like a convoluted vision. It’s not like names, times, dates, or seasons were clearly shown like an HBO TV series or some BS. But Q sure as shit has been on point with Future Proves Past!! Hasn’t he Anons?
So are we privy to Christ’s return, and are good folks being prepped to comprehend, prep, and receive Christ safely and securely, to keep The Cabal from screwing it up?! Yes indeed I have faith this is so. And I will swear on everything I can that this is what I believe and have deep faith that the dots connect to be true. Many of you know I’ve written on this theoretically before a year ago. If needed I will post my other theory again.
But that’s all I have for now. Sorry for the pages of text but it had to be laid out this way. God bless you all Anons. WWG1WGA.
No one has a window into the future, not human at least. You can see the past but not the future. Educated guess can be made. The past already happened and you can’t go back and change it. What you can do is go back and re live it or experience it. The future can’t be seen as this would violate free will, and fundamental law. Neither can you travel to the future and alter the past, or travel to the past and alter the future. The past is there to learn and remember only.
No one with exception to God or Christ. And yes, not unless God decided to provide it. That was my whole long and detailed point I was hoping to convey. ;)
I can add plenty more but it wasn’t the time in that conversation haha.
It's very much appreciated. The minute we stop pushing is the minute we fall. Keep pushing forward frogs!! Our salvation is guaranteed, let us not fear what lies ahead.
I would ask: When do you arrive? We’ve waited almost 2000 years for your return. Us Anons got all the posts you sent ahead. Thank you for the Future info to save humanity…again.
On that note, my personal conviction is that if one learns to read the scripture (bible) with the same approach as one has to the Q drops, things would change significantly in how we understand the providence of God.
For example, future proves past. (IMO) some of the things in scripture cannot be understood until the time has come. Folks try to figure it all out, which is good, but humility is critical in recognizing that there is much about God's work that we don't yet understand, even though Jesus promised a future time when we would, and Paul also prophesied that such a time would come.
The return of Christ is a case in point.
Good point. You must have the context in order to understand the symbols. Until the context manifests, the symbols are meaningless.
Yes, that's one example of it, I suppose.
But there are numerous questions that the faithful have grappled with over the past 2000 years, but one's on which there is no real definitive answer. (Theology has attempted to grapple with these.)
Questions such as, what is the original purpose of creation? Does predestination exist, and if so, how does it work? God is perfect and absolute, so God's will is also perfect and absolute, but does this mean that everything is God's will?
What do all the symbols in the scripture mean? Are they literal? Symbolic? How can we decode them in a way that reconciles logical understanding, empirical knowledge, and faith?
Why did it take thousands of years (biblically) after the Fall for God to send the Messiah? If Christ had to die on the cross (if this was the only way) why did God prepare and work with the Israelites for 2000 years? Was the cross inevitable, or were there other possibilities?
Etc.
The fact that there are so many different denominations with thousands of different points of interpretation of these and other questions indicates that as a collective, we don't know the whole story. We are trying to put it all together but with a limited understanding and limited information.
The first step in moving out of ignorance is to learn that we do not know. REal ignorance is not simply "not knowing". Real ignorance is not knowing that you don't know.
If you don't know that you don't know, you can never move out of ignorance. But once you learn that you don't know something, you are then position to begin to learn it.
In order to preserve authority that they deemed so important, historically, the church in all its forms has settled on to the idea that firstly, we know and understand everything the scripture is meant to tell us, but secondly, also, there are some things that we just cannot know, and therefore should not even try to know.
In my view, both of those positions are wrong or (softly) less than productive. I think they were derived from the need to preserve 'authority', and we see the end results of that in all sorts of problems within the body of Christ, as it were.
In my view, firstly, the body of Christ clearly does NOT understand everything the scripture is mean to tell us, and secondly, we can know those things, but we have to try and we have to make the effort.
Commensurate with that view is the belief that the New Testament has one primary mission and one primary mission only: to prepare thumanity for the second coming of Christ, just as the Mosaic law had one purpose, to prepare a people for the first advent of Christ.
But look at how badly the Israelites screwed that up. They lost their way time and again, and when Christ arrived, the failed, as a whole, to recognize him. They didn't know that they didn't understand. They thought, in their arrogance, that they did know everything they were supposed to.
What are the lessons there for Christianity? Important lessons.
"Does predestination exist, and if so, how does it work?"
I would argue that predestination is at odds with free will. Also God is good. He would never create a person to do evil, then turn around and condemn them. Doing evil is a personal choice.
Well said my old friend.
I'm not that old... :P
Each of us has Christ living within our consciousness. I believe that Christ consciousness has returned and many will (re) remember the Providence of God.
I'm not unfamiliar with that view. Personally, however, I think that view is closer to theosophical ideas than is helpful. I would put it in different terms myself.
I also hold the firm conviction that Christ is in fact a role, a position. It is a mission. Christ from Greek means Messiah in Hebrew. Aka "anointed". That mission comes in the form of the individual, who we know as Jesus. The uniqueness of Jesus is an important and critical idea, although as per my previous comment, I don't believe that generally speaking, we fully understand the mission and function of Christ. (We meaning Christians and believers in general.)
When Jesus arrived, he shared a much more profound level of the truth than was previously available. In that sense, the Gospel is an upgrade. It is an upgrade on the Mosaic law and truth God shared to the Israelites. But we are due for another upgrade, much as many believers don't want to admit or recognize, despite the fact that scripture points very clearly to this.
What if He already returned when He promised "in their lifetime" and that history has been hidden from us? What if this isn't 2023? What if we are living in Satan's season of Rev 20, and He and the saints are camped at the north pole, hence the Northern Lights? We would be waiting on the Earth to be made new. (Millenial Kingdom, Tartarian Architecture, orphan trains, insane asylums...)
Because as the Bible namely Revelations foretells, Christ’s return will be known by All across the Earth. The question is how will that be announced, because John may not have had the detailed language or modern words to describe how that event or “broadcast” would be done.
I think many people expect, are under assumption, or imagine: bright light all over and the sound of Angels singing without stereo speakers all over the Earth, and Christ swishing down out of the sky or clouds like Superman! No, it won’t happen this way. Why? Do not forget his last Triumphant return, though on a smaller scale, ended not long after in his sacrifice, death, and resurrection.
I think God, before Jesus Christ returns this 2nd time around will do a thorough “pre-prep”, because people, through technology and Hollywood (excuse the reference), could handle Christ’s 2nd return without persecuting him and executing him. Also the fact he would be well protected by folks that are just as armed and greater in defensive number than those that wished Christ harm.
So how would the “thorough pre-prep” be done? First, a specific “clearing of the way” like John the Baptist did. Do we know whom? Yes, and maybe more people, but the one I know best; Kim Clement has been more on point of Christ’s return than anyone I’ve researched. Though people condemn his timelines of his “prophecies”, Kim ALWAYS was clear things were for the future, even if the words, “right now”, or “this time or season”, came out of his mouth. Remember a mere mortal was relaying possible messages from God himself. And WE ALL SHOULD KNOW, God’s Timeline is dimensionally different than our tiny fractional concept! The Bible even says, a man’s (human’s) life (single human’s whole lifetime) is but a blink of an eye to God.
To add on this piece, this prophet, or even multiple prophets around the Earth, would be able to more evenly spread the word. How? Now that is important. The Internet. What better way to spread the future coming of Christ, pre-prep the Earth’s populous than the Internet?! No current humanly Better Way Period!
Then comes Q. Why the F would I now say this?! Because how the F can anyone explain Q having 6-7 years of PERFECT Future Intel and Info beyond Game and String Theory or known current AI technology, or even Project Looking Glass ability?! Each of this things from what ANYONE currently knows cannot pinpoint any Future event down to the month, week, day, person, and pinpoint action! Even Project Looking Glass people that reported on it stated, things were more like a convoluted vision. It’s not like names, times, dates, or seasons were clearly shown like an HBO TV series or some BS. But Q sure as shit has been on point with Future Proves Past!! Hasn’t he Anons?
So are we privy to Christ’s return, and are good folks being prepped to comprehend, prep, and receive Christ safely and securely, to keep The Cabal from screwing it up?! Yes indeed I have faith this is so. And I will swear on everything I can that this is what I believe and have deep faith that the dots connect to be true. Many of you know I’ve written on this theoretically before a year ago. If needed I will post my other theory again.
But that’s all I have for now. Sorry for the pages of text but it had to be laid out this way. God bless you all Anons. WWG1WGA.
Q led me directly to Christ. In as straight a path as you could imagine.
Of course. And I believe you. Because that’s exactly my whole belief about Who is behind Q. Christ himself.
No one has a window into the future, not human at least. You can see the past but not the future. Educated guess can be made. The past already happened and you can’t go back and change it. What you can do is go back and re live it or experience it. The future can’t be seen as this would violate free will, and fundamental law. Neither can you travel to the future and alter the past, or travel to the past and alter the future. The past is there to learn and remember only.
No one with exception to God or Christ. And yes, not unless God decided to provide it. That was my whole long and detailed point I was hoping to convey. ;)
I can add plenty more but it wasn’t the time in that conversation haha.
/u/Brent75, was Clement the same person who prophecised USA will have two presidents? Because that is absolutely playing out now. Whoever it was.
Yes. Here:
https://rumble.com/vq2a4w-two-presidents-prophecy-trey-smith.html
It's very much appreciated. The minute we stop pushing is the minute we fall. Keep pushing forward frogs!! Our salvation is guaranteed, let us not fear what lies ahead.