I don't agree with DOWNLOADING FOR FREE OFF THE INTERNET as something that should be a crime. I don't care what it is. If you "participate" in illegal activities, ie: paying or distributing things that are illegal, etc then that's different of course.
These FED clowns have made simple possession of anything THEY DEEM ILLEGAL from the internet onto your computer a crime in itself. No, it's not. This is more power grab by the FEDs.
I've already stated this a while back in detail. If someone is posting illegal stuff on the internet then you go after the posters..NOT the free downloaders.
If some nutjob posts child porn on Twitter and 100,000 people download it before it's removed, are 100,000 people now pedophiles? Should the FBI bust down the doors of 100,000 homes, confiscate all their computers and throw all of them in prison? Absolutely ludicrous. This FED overreach has got to stop.
Anyone that would watch that type of thing is sick and should be removed from society let alone download it. Free or not these people are sick and they want to pass their sickness throughout our nation. No quarter!
It is a self supporting community. If you are downloading, you are sharing. Doesnt really seem like the right hill to die on for free speech, but you do you.
Why would LE not arrest people that download images of abuse of children again?
Also, why do you expect hate comments? Unless you've provocatively and on purpose have left out nuance and context necessary for an intelligent discussion. I assume it's to enjoy some combative argumentation. Opposition and defiance for the sake of feeling strength is not a winning strategy.
Your computer/phone downloads images you see online all the time without your knowledge or consent. It's called caching, and it's done so that if you refresh the page, the server doesn't have to send the image again using up extra data/bandwidth.
Now of course, you shouldn't be actively going out looking for child porn. But if you happen to be scrolling through Twitter, and someone you follow has been hacked to post that illegal content, you'll have it downloaded on your machine just for being on Twitter and having it show up on your feed.
Does that make you a pedophile now? If you happened to be raided at that moment before clearing your cache, those images will be on your machine, in your cache.
Nah i saw it, i was replying to the comment "Why would LE not arrest people that download images of abuse of children again?" It's tough to know where to draw the line exactly, and we don't want them to start arresting for that cached image or two.
I tend to stay off of Twitter but that doesn't mean it can't happen elsewhere. I wouldn't want to be trapped with a cached image i had nothing to do with.
Almost everyone involved in the supply/demand chain of illicit content or contraband do so willingly. Dealers and distributors would not be in "business" were it not for the demand from the customers. The couriers, sellers and middlemen would not exist were it not for the demand from the customers.
There comes a point on physical scene where the suspect should or ought to know the content or contraband they are in possession of is illegal and the mere possession of it furthers the criminal cycle of distribution.
Fentanyl and controlled substances are a perfect example. Dealing in stolen property also is a good example. Distribution of child pornography is ABSOLUTELY in the same category. The basics of supply and demand are met and all involved from the photographer/videographer to the "customer" are all suspects involved in a crime.
Imagine seeing the face of the child who was exploited, face to face, and you tell them "hey I don't think possessing pictures of you being abused and exploited should be illegal." NO ONE would EVER say OR think this if they had to physically interact with the victim on scene. I'm not saying you're a terrible person for defending your position, but I would say the consequence is a terrible one.
Downloading ANYTHING for free off the internet is not in any supply/demand chain. If some company wants to pay for "clicks" on pedo sites..who's actually the criminal here? The company paying for the clicks.. and obviously the pedos producing the material...it's NOT anyone else who happens to have free access to the internet.
Like I said before..I'm completely against child exploitation of any kind.
I'm saying these FED clowns shouldn't know or care what you freely download.
Your Fentanyl example is completely wrong. You're PAYING for Fentanyl. It's not even remotely the same.
I bet you're the kind of person who would make it a crime for me to download FREELY off the net plans for a 3D printed gun. You'd want to put me in prison, huh?
See, that's the difference between you and me. I like to follow the constitution and be deemed innocent until PROVEN guilty of a crime. But only for a crime I COMMITTED AND CAUSED HARM TO SOMEONE.
Defending pedos isnt going to get you far in here. Free speech is one thing, harming children is another. Child sexual abuse is not simply something "they deem illegal". It is an affront to God and man and is one of the most horrible crimes that one can commit. Posting and downloading child porn isnt free speech it is engaging with and supporting people abusing children.
If some nutjob posts child porn on Twitter and 100,000 people download it before it's removed, are 100,000 people now pedophiles? Should the FBI bust down the doors of 100,000 homes, confiscate all their computers and throw all of them in prison?
Yes. Why would you condone pedophilia in any form? You dont download childporn by mistake or because you are curious. You do it because you are fucking scum.
You're the moron. You're trying to straw-man the argument for child porn specifically. I'm saying anything freely downloadable off the free internet shouldn't be a crime. If you didn't produce, pay, buy, sell, distribute, etc then you didn't harm anyone. It would need to be proven in a court of law that I specifically did harm to someone. Downloading anything freely is not harming anyone.
I don't agree with DOWNLOADING FOR FREE OFF THE INTERNET as something that should be a crime. I don't care what it is. If you "participate" in illegal activities, ie: paying or distributing things that are illegal, etc then that's different of course.
These FED clowns have made simple possession of anything THEY DEEM ILLEGAL from the internet onto your computer a crime in itself. No, it's not. This is more power grab by the FEDs.
I've already stated this a while back in detail. If someone is posting illegal stuff on the internet then you go after the posters..NOT the free downloaders.
If some nutjob posts child porn on Twitter and 100,000 people download it before it's removed, are 100,000 people now pedophiles? Should the FBI bust down the doors of 100,000 homes, confiscate all their computers and throw all of them in prison? Absolutely ludicrous. This FED overreach has got to stop.
ok, bring on the hate comments.
Anyone that would watch that type of thing is sick and should be removed from society let alone download it. Free or not these people are sick and they want to pass their sickness throughout our nation. No quarter!
Yes, BUT...
How do you know they downloaded it knowingly?
If I were a Fed and wanted to get rid of someone, it would be easy to plant it on the person's computer, then turn them in for something I did.
How do you prove you didn't do it?
Especially if you aren't very tech savvy?
It is a self supporting community. If you are downloading, you are sharing. Doesnt really seem like the right hill to die on for free speech, but you do you.
I believe it’s illegal to have in your possession child porn. No matter how you got it, still illegal.
If it's "Free", someone is paying for it. In this case, it's the children being victimized to produce the content.
Then arrest whoever is "paying" for it.
Note: I'm completely against pedophilia..for the smooth brains out there that like to put words in my mouth.
Why would LE not arrest people that download images of abuse of children again?
Also, why do you expect hate comments? Unless you've provocatively and on purpose have left out nuance and context necessary for an intelligent discussion. I assume it's to enjoy some combative argumentation. Opposition and defiance for the sake of feeling strength is not a winning strategy.
Your computer/phone downloads images you see online all the time without your knowledge or consent. It's called caching, and it's done so that if you refresh the page, the server doesn't have to send the image again using up extra data/bandwidth.
Now of course, you shouldn't be actively going out looking for child porn. But if you happen to be scrolling through Twitter, and someone you follow has been hacked to post that illegal content, you'll have it downloaded on your machine just for being on Twitter and having it show up on your feed.
Does that make you a pedophile now? If you happened to be raided at that moment before clearing your cache, those images will be on your machine, in your cache.
Just saying.
Exactly. And that's one of the ways it can get on your computer.
But the FEDs are saying simply HAVING it on your computer is crime. That's where I draw the line.
You might have skipped over the words "massive amount" in the title. Not a pic here and there from the cache.
Nah i saw it, i was replying to the comment "Why would LE not arrest people that download images of abuse of children again?" It's tough to know where to draw the line exactly, and we don't want them to start arresting for that cached image or two.
I tend to stay off of Twitter but that doesn't mean it can't happen elsewhere. I wouldn't want to be trapped with a cached image i had nothing to do with.
Almost everyone involved in the supply/demand chain of illicit content or contraband do so willingly. Dealers and distributors would not be in "business" were it not for the demand from the customers. The couriers, sellers and middlemen would not exist were it not for the demand from the customers.
There comes a point on physical scene where the suspect should or ought to know the content or contraband they are in possession of is illegal and the mere possession of it furthers the criminal cycle of distribution.
Fentanyl and controlled substances are a perfect example. Dealing in stolen property also is a good example. Distribution of child pornography is ABSOLUTELY in the same category. The basics of supply and demand are met and all involved from the photographer/videographer to the "customer" are all suspects involved in a crime.
Imagine seeing the face of the child who was exploited, face to face, and you tell them "hey I don't think possessing pictures of you being abused and exploited should be illegal." NO ONE would EVER say OR think this if they had to physically interact with the victim on scene. I'm not saying you're a terrible person for defending your position, but I would say the consequence is a terrible one.
Downloading ANYTHING for free off the internet is not in any supply/demand chain. If some company wants to pay for "clicks" on pedo sites..who's actually the criminal here? The company paying for the clicks.. and obviously the pedos producing the material...it's NOT anyone else who happens to have free access to the internet.
Like I said before..I'm completely against child exploitation of any kind.
I'm saying these FED clowns shouldn't know or care what you freely download.
Your Fentanyl example is completely wrong. You're PAYING for Fentanyl. It's not even remotely the same.
I bet you're the kind of person who would make it a crime for me to download FREELY off the net plans for a 3D printed gun. You'd want to put me in prison, huh?
See, that's the difference between you and me. I like to follow the constitution and be deemed innocent until PROVEN guilty of a crime. But only for a crime I COMMITTED AND CAUSED HARM TO SOMEONE.
Defending pedos isnt going to get you far in here. Free speech is one thing, harming children is another. Child sexual abuse is not simply something "they deem illegal". It is an affront to God and man and is one of the most horrible crimes that one can commit. Posting and downloading child porn isnt free speech it is engaging with and supporting people abusing children.
Yes. Why would you condone pedophilia in any form? You dont download childporn by mistake or because you are curious. You do it because you are fucking scum.
Why are you defending pedos?
Not defending pedos or condoning it. Tell me where I said that. I'm for free, private non-surveillance. You're a moron if you think I said that.
Whatever you say, groomer.
Tell me you're a pedo without telling me you're a pedo
I bet you like your govt to keep tabs on you, don't you. Oh, surveil me harder daddy.
Surveillance laws and possession laws are two separate issues. You argued in favor of legalized possession. Sicko.
You're the moron. You're trying to straw-man the argument for child porn specifically. I'm saying anything freely downloadable off the free internet shouldn't be a crime. If you didn't produce, pay, buy, sell, distribute, etc then you didn't harm anyone. It would need to be proven in a court of law that I specifically did harm to someone. Downloading anything freely is not harming anyone.