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Non Catholic version: Father I pray to you in Jesus name... insert prayer here hehe
That’s right. No intermediary
Catholics do not pray to an intermediary. We simply ask for her to pray for us. Hence 'Holy Mary, Mother of God, PRAY for us sinners..'
You know, much in the same way that many non-Catholics ask their friends or family for their prayer when encountering hard times. In fact I see many now use the term almost as a throw away. 'Oh my kids are crawling up the walls today. Pray for me.'
Catholics figure if anyone can ask any ol' random sinner friend or family for help in prayer why not also be able to ask Mother Mary, who birthed our savior, for help in prayer.
The answer is that Mary is dead. She cannot hear you. She is with the father. To say she can hear you is to make a deity out of her. Christ commanded us as the bride to gather togather and pray to the father in the name of the son. No other way is taught in scripture. Only God is omnipotent and omnipresent
You may want to reread my post. Nowhere did I say that Mother Mary was omnipotent or omnipresent. It appears you are arguing some caricature of how you believe or have been told a Catholic warships.
You are also making some very important assumptions about the ability to hear when spending eternity with The Lord and correlating that ability to only belonging to a deity. Nor you or I have the knowledge to make that assumption. But you and I CAN agree that God can give or take ANY ability to whom He desires.
You appear to also be, either intentionally or by convenience, corrupting scripture by outright disregarding the many promises of eternal LIFE. Meaning to live. Meaning one NEVER dies. To make the statement "The answer is that Mary is dead." Is in direct contradiction to what scripture promised every one of us should we follow the teachings of Christ.
Unless, of course, you are saying that Mother Mary lived a sinful life and if so did not repent. Is that what you are attempting to convey? Let's get on with it. What exactly are you saying here?
I left these bible verses below to help you formulate your reply. Look forward to it.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
John 2:17
"The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever."
Dead people can’t hear us now? Could you point me to the verses that say that? 😂
Jesus tells us to come to Him. Any thing else is product of a lie JESUS never called mary His mother nor does HE advise us to seek her for anything. Honor her as you would any brother or sister in the LORD. However Mary is at rest now. Let her be in peace. Mary herself would rebuke the folk promoting The false doctrine of a co-intercessor . JESUS DISCIPLESHIP requires following what JESUS teaches. Anything else is of satanic deception. JESUS is Lord over all ages JESUS constantly refers to his FATHER BTW
John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw HIS MOTHER, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto HIS MOTHER, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy MOTHER! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Are you saying the bible is fallible?
So now we have 1baldeagle who pretends to speak for Mother Mary and his claim of her "rebuke" and TheGreatPumpkin who claims she is dead and not alive in heaven enjoying her ultimate reward of eternal life with God.
It seems we have a problem with humility and a forceful inability and wanting misunderstanding of another's method of prayer, warship, adoration and the difference between.
There is a difference between prayer and adoration. Prayer is what millions do both in communion with others and within the privacy of one's home and mind. Adoration is to be given to and only Gods. Prayer is what, no doubt, you ask for from loved ones and in that, whether you want to believe it or not, is the asking of those very same people you ask for help in prayer what would have to be considered intercession. It's what many would consider 'the power of prayer'. If not that than why ask anyone to pray for you? Why even entertain that method of prayer? Why attend church in mass if the gathering of many for the common prayer meant nothing or in your words were a 'satanic deception'? Why would a priest, reverend, or minister envoke the words "let us pray" if not for the common power of prayer to bare it's weight to the subject of prayer rather than a single person praying the same? The answer to that question is precisely why Catholics pray in mass and in private while asking for as much help as possible and that includes anyone willing to hear that request and act on it including Mother Mary.
What I find astonishing is not the missunderstanding of another's religion, because that is natural, but the disregard of and lack of humility to recognize one can't possibly know ones own religion prefectly then turn to another and pretend they know that person's religion also. It's bazaar.
Show me in scripture where this is taught please. I wanna make sure I’m doing it correctly.
Show me scripture where it is taught to ask your friends or loved ones to pray for you when you need it and I'll show you scripture where it is taught it is ok to ask Mother Mary for the same.
That’s literally what an intermediary does.
And asking friends/family to pray for you is not the same thing. They actually know who you are and what you’re going through. We have no idea to what degree people in heaven are aware of people/events on earth, if at all. You also don’t pray to your family to pray for you, you just ask.
Catholics also pray to Mary because they believe that she was sinless and perfect in life. Which is unbiblical, as not only does Jesus gently chide her on occasion, when she first heard she would bear Jesus she rejoiced that her Savior had come. Why would she rejoice over a Savior if she was perfect and didn’t need one?
Lastly, Catholics do a lot more than just pray to Mary. In addition to the previously mentioned belief that she was perfect, the RCC has openly stated that they worship Mary and have dedicated feasts to her. I challenge anyone to find a single scriptural basis for such beliefs and practices.
You quote where I mentioned Catholics ASK Mary to pray for us then in the paragraph after that you yourself admit that you also ASK your family to pray for you.
So you accuse Catholics of having an intermediary for ASKING Mary to pray for us while also admitting that you also ASK your family to pray for you and, by your own definition, use your family as an intermediary.
I don't agree with your definition but simply pointing out your contradiction.
Then you appear to say that one can't ask someone else to pray for you if they don't know you or know what your going through. Since we're asking for scriptural (am I doing it right?) proof can you point out the part where we can ask for prayer from those we know and can not from those we don't know?
In regard to "feasts". This is done everyday all around the world in celebration for graduations, weddings....all kinds of stuff. Since when is dedicating a feast to anyone a sign of warship or an acknowledgment of recognition of a false deity?
As a Catholic I have never heard of the rest of what you mentioned being taught as Catholic doctrine. As a result I won't chase ghosts. I hope you don't expect people to entertain any random accusation without you having to provide some proof.