In related news, there’s an Orthodox Christian saint St. Paisios, reposed in 1994, who wrote a book called Spiritual Awakening that foretells a situation strongly resembling the present and saying that he believes it will lead to Christ giving a slap to the world system and a time when Christ will be widely known and believed. Literally the Great Awakening!
I'm Christian not because I am tasked with interpreting miracles but because I have proclaimed Jesus as my savior. I am not here to challenge the legitimacy of what may or may not be the work of the Holy Spirit, but to make sure new Christians don't mistakenly think interpreting signs is part of the commandment for being saved.
John 6:47
Jesus says "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
The tomb of Jesus I am familiar with is an assuming excavated space in the side of a limestone hill with a round mill stone to the side, the stone which was put in place to signify his burial and the same which Jesus moved aside after conquering death.
That tomb is inside the ancient walls. Thus, could not be the real tomb. It's a beautiful place, where endless prayers sanctify it, but it is not THE tomb.
Queen Helena had her people on the ground first and they found many of the Holy sites. The Roman church came afterward and since it shares the Holy Sepulcher space, it's prima facia evidence there was agreement amongst the early researchers.
Thanks for noting the timestamp. The Holy Fire comes while the Patriarch is in the Sepulchre, it wasn’t just the one guy blocking the view. Note that the police check the room and the Patriarch before he enters to rule out fraudulent claims. And these are the Israelis — they have every incentive to catch any tricks.
Or every incentive to pretend it's real. This is an area whose tourism industry heavily relies on it being the real holy land.
Today: "We are the real holy land! Look at all these confirmed, real miracles that happen here, like the holy fire!"
If a hoax is revealed: "Well, the fire may have been a hoax, but we're still the real holy land! Look at all these other confirmed, real miracles, like..."
Well you can see the pillar that was damaged the year centuries ago when the Orthodox Patriarch was not allowed into the Sepulchre and one of the other Christian bodies occupied the space. The Israelis are beating people up to keep them out this year. Might want to look into this one a bit more before delurking.
When I say the pillar was damaged, I mean that it was damaged because the fire went through it to where the Patriarch was standing. Ever since then he’s been allowed in.
There’s a very large body of evidence connected to this miracle that has been happening continuously for many centuries. That outweighs a casual Internet comment.
He doesnt. He’s just a scoffer and a mocker. Truth is lost on him and his kind.
They have a different fire awaiting them. But they won’t believe it so I guess it can’t be true…🤪
Another thing is that archeology can't prove the connection of one major religion to Jerusalem, since Mohammed never went to Jerusalem while alive. He supposedly touched down on the Temple Mount on his way to heaven.
Actually archeology continues to uncover pretty incredible evidence. This is the first I have ever heard of this fire. We were not told of this when I visited.
Stormfalcon is covering the part where the fire is of a different nature, it’s not conventional fire for the first 30 minutes or so. But local law enforcement searches both the Holy Sepulchre and the Patriarch to ensure there’s no means of igniting a fire available to him in the room or on his person. It truly is lit through miraculous means. At a minimum, not by means known to Israeli law enforcement, or to the Turks in the centuries before them.
Huh? What did I just watch? A fire comes out of the tomb of Jesus Christ each year?
That’s correct. http://www.holyfire.org/eng/index.htm
In related news, there’s an Orthodox Christian saint St. Paisios, reposed in 1994, who wrote a book called Spiritual Awakening that foretells a situation strongly resembling the present and saying that he believes it will lead to Christ giving a slap to the world system and a time when Christ will be widely known and believed. Literally the Great Awakening!
I'm Christian not because I am tasked with interpreting miracles but because I have proclaimed Jesus as my savior. I am not here to challenge the legitimacy of what may or may not be the work of the Holy Spirit, but to make sure new Christians don't mistakenly think interpreting signs is part of the commandment for being saved.
John 6:47
Jesus says "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
No one is arguing that.
Correct, just setting the record straight.
The tomb of Jesus I am familiar with is an assuming excavated space in the side of a limestone hill with a round mill stone to the side, the stone which was put in place to signify his burial and the same which Jesus moved aside after conquering death.
What ever this tourist attraction is, well...
It’s the church built around the tomb of Christ many, many centuries ago.
That tomb is inside the ancient walls. Thus, could not be the real tomb. It's a beautiful place, where endless prayers sanctify it, but it is not THE tomb.
It’s THE tomb. And it’s authenticated by this annual miracle. The fire doesn’t burn you for the first approximately 30 minutes.
I thought I was responding to the post saying the Garden Tomb was the real one, which it couldn't be.
Ah, gotcha.
Queen Helena had her people on the ground first and they found many of the Holy sites. The Roman church came afterward and since it shares the Holy Sepulcher space, it's prima facia evidence there was agreement amongst the early researchers.
This feed is Romanian.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkY-LRVMM_M&pp=ygUJaG9seSBmaXJl A guy putting his face in the Holy Fire, without getting singed at all.
THE HOLY FIRE HAS COME!
It happens at around 3 hours 36 minutes and 52ish seconds into the video, and some dude is blocking the view from everyone else.
Thanks for noting the timestamp. The Holy Fire comes while the Patriarch is in the Sepulchre, it wasn’t just the one guy blocking the view. Note that the police check the room and the Patriarch before he enters to rule out fraudulent claims. And these are the Israelis — they have every incentive to catch any tricks.
Or every incentive to pretend it's real. This is an area whose tourism industry heavily relies on it being the real holy land.
Today: "We are the real holy land! Look at all these confirmed, real miracles that happen here, like the holy fire!"
If a hoax is revealed: "Well, the fire may have been a hoax, but we're still the real holy land! Look at all these other confirmed, real miracles, like..."
Well you can see the pillar that was damaged the year centuries ago when the Orthodox Patriarch was not allowed into the Sepulchre and one of the other Christian bodies occupied the space. The Israelis are beating people up to keep them out this year. Might want to look into this one a bit more before delurking.
When I say the pillar was damaged, I mean that it was damaged because the fire went through it to where the Patriarch was standing. Ever since then he’s been allowed in.
"And folks, if you look to your left with cameras ready, you'll see the famous burning bush followed by..."
Do you have support for your claim that this is inauthentic?
Do you have support for your claim that it is?
There’s a very large body of evidence connected to this miracle that has been happening continuously for many centuries. That outweighs a casual Internet comment.
He doesnt. He’s just a scoffer and a mocker. Truth is lost on him and his kind. They have a different fire awaiting them. But they won’t believe it so I guess it can’t be true…🤪
Your hearsay outweighs legitimate skepticism? Give me one research vector to support this "large body of evidence."
For 500 years people thought flies spontaneously spawned from mud. Any mud could create a fly. That is, until biology discovered maggots.
Point is, duration of a story doesn't provide immunity from truth.
This mockery is obvious since I assume you're fully aware God's dwelling place is far from Jerusalem.
Another thing is that archeology can't prove the connection of one major religion to Jerusalem, since Mohammed never went to Jerusalem while alive. He supposedly touched down on the Temple Mount on his way to heaven.
Actually archeology continues to uncover pretty incredible evidence. This is the first I have ever heard of this fire. We were not told of this when I visited.
I don’t get the miracle. Didn’t they just light a fire and pass it?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkY-LRVMM_M&pp=ygUJaG9seSBmaXJl Here’s a good example of it not burning you.
http://www.holyfire.org/eng/index.htm the fire doesn’t burn you for the first about half-hour.
Thank you!
Stormfalcon is covering the part where the fire is of a different nature, it’s not conventional fire for the first 30 minutes or so. But local law enforcement searches both the Holy Sepulchre and the Patriarch to ensure there’s no means of igniting a fire available to him in the room or on his person. It truly is lit through miraculous means. At a minimum, not by means known to Israeli law enforcement, or to the Turks in the centuries before them.