Flat Earther spends $20,000 on DIY experiment that accidentally proved the planet is ROUND
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Ah, yes. The human senses. What you don't bother to examine is the fact that no human sense can tell you if you are on a 1000 mph rotating ball (but decreasingly less with increasing latitude, until 0 mph at the poles). For one thing, we have no "sense" of velocity (nothing but peace and calm on an airliner flying at 600 mph). For another thing, the centrifugal acceleration of the rotation is too small to detect (but the equatorial bulge can be measured). The Australians see all the constellations we cannot see, because they ARE on the other hemisphere of the Earth. The elliptical orbit is scarcely different from a circle, the speed-up and slow-down is very small, astronomers can detect it, but not anyone walking down the street.
Reality is what we can measure, and all you have offered is that you don't know what you are talking about, and can't demonstrate any of it.
You can choose to stay in denial for as long as you like. There seems to be some psychological barrier preventing you all from grasping the fact that there are literally zero scientific proofs of the globe, of curvature, of the earth in motion. There should be THOUSANDS of them after 200 years of advanced scientism.
You can't find one. If you could, you would go get yourself the $90K, or at a minimum, give me your scientific proof snd let me take it to the FlatEarthDave for verification netting yourself a cool $45K and the death blow to the FE community.
But oddly, you continue to do neither.
No science = No globe. It's literally this simple.
And you would know from example, correct? There are plenty of proofs, such as the fact that modern commerce and communication involves daily interaction with the reality of the global Earth. There are thousands of them...but you don't want to accept any of them.
Simple proof: the Earth is a continuous positively-curved surface that closes on itself and has no edge. Established by humans being everywhere on the surface of the Earth. Plus we have photos (taken before there was any CGI).
Meanwhile, we continue to send satellites into orbit and also people to go AROUND the Earth. Want to take the ride? You are living evidence that ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.
Science can't be denied. Show me how these are scientifically proven and you (we) win. You can't use man-made mathematical models with assumptions built-in as "science" though.
You and I aren't allowed to travel anywhere beyond the 60th parallel other than a single government-approved, paid-for $20K+ chaperoned trip to the tip of an island off of Antarctica. Nor are you allowed to go to, nor anywhere near the north pole.
Ever wonder why no so-called alleged "satellites". that we argue do not exist as described, never orbit north south over the so-called alleged poles? Where's all the satellite imagery of these so-called poles? You won't find anything other than CGI out there my friend. What do you think NASA does with their $80 million daily budget? They've got better technology than Hollyweird.
Why end with ad-hominen, personal attacks? Why do all you globe-believers do this? You all have this in common and I don't understand why? You should be kind. We're being kind with all of you who continue to NOT LOOK INTO THIS FOR YOURSELF but rather bank on lies you've been taught. This is half the reason I started to side with the flat-earthers - because the globe-defenders act like ABSOLUTE DOUCHEBAGS almost without fail.
If you started off from the position; "I don't know what the shape of the earth is", you would quickly come to the correct conclusion. Your problem, like so many others, is that you keep referring to lies and deceptions that we have proven to be 100% LIES!!!!!. The list of lies is so long it's impossible to encapsulate. Briefly:
Newtonian gravity does not exist. There's no such thing. The "gravitational force" is an electrostatic phenomenon of ionic-electro forces seeking balance. Nobody has ever pointed to a "thing" called "gravity" - not a "particle", a "field", a "force", it's all nonsensical theory. So what is the "thing" that pulls objects back down to earth? Einsteinian gravity is a massive lie. If space is a "void", as the establishment says, then how can a THING* called "gravity" operate in this empty space?
All establishment theory around magnetism is completely wrong. They of course understand the "effect", as with gravity, but are so backwards on what magentism actually is. And learning what it is first requires a "de-education" from the establishment lie which we have no space for here.
Dark matter and dark energy were both INVENTED to account for the broken mathematical gravitational models. To think that 95% of the "known universe" is made up of UNIDENTIFIABLE matter and energy is a dead giveaway that we're awash in lies. Defending this is just further mental abstraction gymanstics.
Need I say anything about the zillions of lies about the moon landing?
All of Einstein's special/general relativity THEORY has proven to be false due to fraudulent assumptions built-into it which are demonstrably provable.
Quantum theory (Bohr) is also a provable deception
There is no such thing as a "photon". It's a theoretical construct once again, like gravity. There are no "light particles" hitting your eyes right now as you read this text. It's just so completely OBVIOUS once you stop and think about it.
There's no such thing as atoms-protons-electrons-neutrons as per the "atomic model". None of these "things" exist in reality. Instead, they are a useful MODEL OR REALITY for performing elemental/molecular interactions. The truth of the matter is, this is all happening due to SOUND, tonal vibrations balancing one another. Again, this is something that takes time and considerable study to wrap your mind around however.
And I'm just barely scratching the surface here. We can play games all day long about "observational" data. The globers make the fatal mistake of never even considering the flat model as a possibility. The FE community has done many examples and models around how certain observations would work on the flat earth model but the globers just refuse to agree it would be possible as such. This is a sign we're dealing with people of infantile psychology. They could say, "well, while I don't agree with the flat model, I see how my observations COULD WORK if it were". They can't even do that, because they're like little children who can't accept they won't get any candy at the grocery store when it comes to this subject.
Your provided examples are just proving my point, that you aren't THINKING ABOUT what you are saying. How do we arrive at all our "commerce and communication" processes in the world? Are they not built on GPS and magnetic declination INVENTIONS by man. If you deny that men could create a mathematical model that would represent a "globe earth", you're still naive to just how far the cabal has gone to deceive us.
There are no "photos" taken "before CGI". Have you ever watched the moon landing video with things in motion? It looks like a bad 1960s B-flick. I mean it's just laughable. It's totally indefensible. And for the record, I use "CGI" simply to mean "manipulated", just as I use the term "photoshop" to mean photo-manipulated. The famous 1972 "blue marble" photo was OBVIOUSLY manipulated and we know exactly how they did it - it's like photoshop 101 in today's world, but I'm sure it was tricky back in 1972.
Our satellites are BALLOONS. Why is NASA the world's largest consumer of helium....by a landslide? What would they need all that helium for exactly? The pictures you saw of the "Chinese spy balloon" is PRECISELY what our "satellites" actually are!!! If the orbiting satellite story was true, there would be dozens, even hundreds that would be providing live feeds, 24x7x365, offering MASSIVE opportunities for advertising revenue ta boot.
Denying all this basic evidence indicates you are simply in a state of DENIAL. There's no other explanation. You don't want to find out you've been fooled. Why don't you just admit that? This is where you're at.
I've seen people in your present condition a thousand times on dozens of different topics. I'm as close to an "expert" on this subject of denial as anybody it seems. I've come to learn that in order to even engage a discussion with somebody, the first question always needs to be; "Can you accept the possibility that you might have been lied to on this topic". If the answer is "no", there's literally nothing you can say, do or show - no facts, no proofs, no truths - that can sway the person as they remain trapped in their mental abstractions.
So this is where we're at. You can't even allow for the possibility that you've been deceived about the shape of the earth. So you're just wasting your time with me.
Provide your SCIENTIFIC PROOF, of which there should be HUNDREDS if the globe is true, and I'll change my mind in a hot second. Unlike you, I'm perfectly willing to change my mind with just one itty-bitty scientific proof. If you can't even do this, I'll let you ruminate on why that is. Should you be honest, you'll recognize that you'll be faced with considerable cognitive dissonance, as we all had to go through when we decided to investigate this topic and see what the "other side" had to say.
It is a truism that science cannot be denied, just like the sky is blue. But you have no connection to science, which refutes you in every way. Science is based on observation, and we daily observe the truth of the Earth's shape and nature, and build technology and transportation industries based on it (being able to do something is included under "science").
If you can travel to the southern 60th parallel, you can circumnavigate Antarctica and find that your travel is far less than the circumference of the equator. Impossible in a flat Earth. Your other claims are nonsense, which you pose as excuses for doing nothing. People have embarked on ventures to the North Pole, which has no international prohibitions---mainly to prove the absence of the Arctic Ocean, but generally fail due to unexpected ice (the irony is delicious). There are commercial expeditions to the South Pole, and you can confirm that is where you are by taking sextant shots of the Sun. Or anywhere else on Antarctica. So, you retreat into "I can't do it" as an excuse for not doing it.
There are satellites that have polar orbits. We maintain launch facilities at Vandenberg Space Force Base in California for that purpose. They do take imagery. Some of it is classified intelligence, but the rest of it is weather reconnaissance. It would do well for you to actually learn something about which you express an opinion. There are plenty of images---but you will call them all "fake." Not a good attitude toward evidence. No fakery from Apollo or really any other time. All you can do is make completely fanciful claims of "fake," without any proof. You are just in denial.
When I am contending with you (a person) and you are ignorant (the truth), it is not a "personal attack," it is a statement of the facts. I am calling you out for being what you are.
Gravity exists. Don't be a fool. You even admit it exists, but you want to explain it otherwise. Newton identified it as obeying a firm law, but never knew how to explain it. Einstein thought he explained it---if you can call allusion to 4th-dimensional space an explanation. Others are still trying to understand it. Meanwhile, we live with it and send satellites around the Earth and probes to other planets, all involving gravity fields (and even "gravity assists" to impart extra velocity to the probes).
Electrical engineers know what magnetism is (but you don't). They are able to design electrical power generation and motive force technology using magnetic fields. This includes magnetohydrodynamics and plasma physics.
Who defends "dark matter" and "dark energy"? Not me. No more than a supposition by some cosmologists, having nothing to do with the life we experience. You are shooting at a straw man.
Since the Moon landing is a fact, no, you don't need to talk about fictitious "lies." (I recently saw a photo of the Moon that had such high resolution, you can zoom in on the remaining lander from the Apollo 11 mission.)
Bold claims, but no one has done it. This is not to say there aren't doubters and other researchers. But you should not get wrapped up in Einstein, when the question at hand (flat Earth) has nothing to do with him. This is just a rhetorical distraction.
Sorry about quantum theory. Proven the hard way by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And by the creation of solid-state circuits. And the creation of lasers. Our modern technology couldn't exist without it.
Photons are easily proven. They account for the "twinkle" of starlight: individual photons arriving sporadically. They are the basis for lasers and holograms. You don't see them as individual events for the same reason you don't see the pictures in a movie film as individual scenes: they are happening so fast, the human eye blurs it all together.
There are atoms. Even the ancient Greeks hypothesized them. It is a fact of chemistry and physics. It is how we were able to identify the difference between uranium-235 and uranium-238, and separate the two to make enriched uranium for nuclear reactors (which couldn't exist without neutrons interacting with nucei). Sound waves? You are not even in the 20th century. This is ignorance with a capital "I".
If the Flat Earthers have their act together, where is the Flat Earth map (and atlas)? Where is the Flat Earth astrodynamic theory? You wave your arms, produce videos and webpages, but leave no trail of documentation that can be checked against reality.
Of course there were photos taken before CGI. It is a fact that you want to deny. This illustrates your total lack of honesty and integrity, because you defend your position by denial of ALL evidence as being "lies." But the Flat Earth side has absolutely nothing to offer as independent truth. No photos of a flat Earth. No photos or testimony of the "edge." No ability to compose a flat map that does not seriously distort the known and true outlines of regions of the Earth. Show your own evidence and have the integrity to not hide behind accusations of lying when you have no countervailing evidence.
You are so deep into denial, you cannot even see it in yourself. I am willing to consider that I have been lied to---if I am provided a true picture that is a better descriptor of what I see. You guys haven't done this at all. You only have accusations, not evidence.
There's plenty of evidence---but you deny all of it (such as the horizon, or the southern hemisphere of the night sky, or space travel). You don't even bother to find explanations of all the evidence against your position. You don't even have the means to perform simple calculations to establish that the round Earth conforms to daily experience. But denial of evidence is the argument of the dishonest, ignorant, and lazy person, because you don't bother to admit true observations, don't know about them, and have no means to confirm them.
So, don't lecture me on "scientific evidence." You are no scientist and you have no idea what that means. You just like to wave that flag so you can stand on a box and look down on others. The rest of us just look up and think "What a conspicuous fool."
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