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Finally some answers to a question I had at the beginning of Covid. How are the folks that took the flu shot faring? (twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by Lurkedtoolong 3 years ago by Lurkedtoolong +149 / -0
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– GA_Logic 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

The flu shot is not really that helpful after all.

Not shocking at all in my opinion.

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– Lurkedtoolong [S] 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Not shocking I agree. Just the first I’ve heard about that specific question.

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– 5Solasreformation 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

2017 DoD study showed a significant increase of getting sick with flu and other upper respiratory viruses including coronoviruses, as I recall.

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– Lurkedtoolong [S] 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Yes, I remember an increase of serious events that outweighed the benefits, thus my original question.

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– Tewdryg 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

When will people wake up to the fact that no vax☠xine is either safe or has efficacy? It has been proven in a court of law that no vax☠xine has been tested for its safety and efficacy for more than 30 years. RFK, Jr. and ICANN can verify this.

Furthermore, no vax☠xine has ever been safe, nor has there been efficacy to prevent disease. It can be shown that old world common diseases, everything from measles, polio, to tetanus, were greatly eradicated due to modern sanitation infrastructure being completed by the 1950s. As a result, hygiene and clean drinking water eradicated common diseases. Vastly improved nutrition was the other factor. If you look this up, you'll find the 'fact checkers' at the top of the list trying to convince you that good sanitation, hygiene, and nutrition do not prevent disease. Long time historical precedent and human knowledge has been turned on its head. Vax☠xine companies try to take credit for eradicating common disease when it was the age old good sanitation, hygiene, and nutrition that ended it. After a clear decline was occurring, vax☠xines were introduced and it actually slowed the decline of disease.

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– Snickerdoodles2 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Could you give me the court case you're talking about in regards to their safety and efficacy? That would really come in useful. Thanks.

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– Tewdryg 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You can find information here..

Case 1:18-cv-03215-JMF Document 18 Filed 07/09/18

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– Snickerdoodles2 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Your statement was that no vaccine had been tested for safety or efficacy in 30+ years and that this was proved in a court of law.

But what you've linked here doesn't support that in itself. It's a FOIA where apparently HHS admitted that reports about vaccines had not been submitted to Congress.

But submitting reports to Congress and testing vaccines for safety and efficacy aren't interchangeable.

I'm not arguing that vaccines are safe or effective. I'm just pointing out that what you've provided doesn't support the claim you've made.

Absence of Evidence does not mean Evidence of Absence.

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– Tewdryg 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

"Absence of Evidence does not mean Evidence of Absence".

However, it has long been the legal precedent that refusal to provide the evidence as required in a lawsuit is proof of neglect and guilt. The US government lost this case.

"But submitting reports to Congress and testing vaccines for safety and efficacy aren't interchangeable."

They are required by law to do so in accordance to The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. As part of the 1986 Act the Secretary of HHS is required to submit a biennial reports to Congress detailing the improvements in vaccine safety made by HHS in the preceding two years.

"The result of the lawsuit is that HHS had to finally and shockingly admit that it never, not even once, submitted a single biennial report to Congress detailing the improvements in vaccine safety. This speaks volumes to the seriousness by which vaccine safety is treated at HHS and heightens the concern that HHS doesn’t have a clue as to the actual safety profile of the now 29 doses, and growing, of vaccines given by one year of age."

They haven't done this for over 32 years. As a result, there is no evidence of vaccine safety or efficacy. We can see this with the SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval that bypassed all safety and efficacy testing and only adds convincing proof to this. 32 years also marks the meteoric rise of autism.

What this means is the following:

⧟ This means that the US Department of Health and Human Services and all vaccine makers have been deceiving the American public for over 30 years about the effectiveness and safety of vaccines; this may ultimately mean that continuing the existence — at least in their current form — of five US “healthcare” agencies are now in doubt: the CDC, the FDA, the IOM, the NIH and the “Health” part of DHHS itself. The SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval only adds proof to this.

⧟ This means that vaccine makers have been fraudulently exempt from what all other pharmaceutical drug makers have been forced to do concerning biannual re-certification for quality and effectiveness — meaning that that their vaccines have never been tested for quality and have had no proven safety or effectiveness for over 30 years. The SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval only adds proof to this.

⧟ This case can now be legally cited by all parents fraudulently mandated by any government/organizational regulation/requirements that they must vaccinate their children for school or any other activity to stop the forced vaccination of their children. The SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval only adds proof to this.

⧟ This case can now be legally cited by all employees being mandated by their employers to be vaccinated in order to retain their jobs. The SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval only adds proof top this.

⧟ This case can now be legally cited by all those who seek compensation for vaccine injury. The SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval only adds proof to this.

⧟ The future of allopathic medicine in its current form is now in doubt, as well as that of the global pharmacidical cartel, since almost all of the drugs allopathic practitioners prescribe come from pharmacidical corporations which have also committed vaccine fraud and injury. The SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval only adds proof to this.

⧟ The existence of the deep-state corporate mainstream news media will now also be further endangered, since 70% of their income stream comes from the global pharmacidical cartel, which in America has been responsible for 750,000-1 million human sacrifices per year for at least the past half century.

⧟ Autism rates will now likely plummet, freeing the American people from another deep state-engineered debility, and providing further evidence of mass vaccination-caused autism.

⧟ All government officials who have passed laws legalizing vaccine fraud at the state, national, or international level, or otherwise aided and abetted this vaccine fraud can now be charged with vaccine fraud, criminal malfeasance and in some cases, war crimes under the Nuremberg Code. The SARS-CoV2 mRNA gene therapy approval only adds proof to this.

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– Snickerdoodles2 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I don't have time to make a point by point rebuttal to everything you say here, (of which about 95% is off topic)so I'll just stick to the basics again:

I am ONLY interested in the claim you made that a court ruled that vaccines haven't been tested for safety or accuracy in 30 years. I was very excited to see this claim because I thought it would be excellent to use when talking to normies about vaccines. Imagine my disappointment when the evidence you provided didn't show that.

  1. It wasn't a ruling from a court case. It was a FOIA document. Not anywhere near the same thing.

  2. It is possible to test vaccines for safety and efficacy without providing those reports to Congress. The pharmaceutical companies will just show the studies they did internally. You can go to PMID and come up with hundreds of such studies in less than a minute.

I could read a book assigned by a teacher and NOT turn in the book report she wanted. It doesn't mean I didn't read the book, though. This is a very basic concept, and I really can't simplify it more than that.

So, I'm not sure if you're not capable of understanding my points here or if you understood all along that you didn't have evidence of what you claimed and wanted to pretend. Either way, there's really no need to go around in circles here.

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– Tewdryg 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

"I don't have time to make a point by point rebuttal to everything you say here,..."

You can stop right there. Here's why. You are not going to convince us on vax☠xines being safe and effective or regarding this case. Vax☠xines are the biggest lie out there. The fraud is well documented and the serial crimes are voluminous.

I'd recommend you take it up with Del Matthew Bigtree and JFK, Jr. who went to court on this. I believe their response on this and not your speculation. So, there really isn't anything more to discuss here.

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– Snickerdoodles2 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

My intention is not to convince anyone that vaccines are safe or effective.

I don't believe that vaccines are safe or effective.

But that doesn't mean that what you claimed was true. It's things like what you did that makes it harder to convince normies. You were just making things up, or you were seriously misunderstanding what you were reading.

You should get out of the mindset that if anyone disagrees with you on anything that they're completely against everything you say.

So, clear your mind of any preconceived notions, go back to the beginning of this conversation, and actually READ what I was saying. I was extraordinarily clear on my points.

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– impera 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Trying to do 'stealth' mRNA additions to all vaccines under this rubric that its an 'upgrade' or an 'improved process' basically means that all previously legit vaccines have come to an end. Since it sure sounds like they will all be contaminated henceforth with mRNA, not just the flu ones.

Tetanus? Yellow fever? HPV?

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– Dogsoldier2 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Spot on.

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– DIAFhillary 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Saw an elderly fellow waiting to get his covid and his flu shot at CVS a few months ago.

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– DIAFhillary 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Also I'm certain I got my severe covid infection because I DID get the flu shot ~ 2011. When I got flu after that shot it was always far far worse than previous years.

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– Needmorecovfefe 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Just remember the Cunningham who was found in the river after whistle blowing they were putting hiv in the flu shot. Anything injected has the potential to be tainted. Especially when there is absolutely no consequences to be had for it.

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– Light1SingleCandle 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That case has bothered me. I did not know about the HIV in flu shots, but the suicide story never made sense to me.

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